Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #3 *ARREST*

[MsBetsy]

As I said before,I cannot see his parents inflicted any more anguish on Caroline's family. B. does not deserve to see his daughter ever again.

I hope they can come to an agreement that's best for the baby. Legally they should at least have a right to visitation. They are probably bonded with the baby, but I don't know how much they were involved in the child's life. Apparently the baby has been staying with them all this time. Imo

 

[Legally Bland]

B. has been in touch with journalists since the murder:
_____

And while the scenarios are raging about why the couple was taken to a mental health counselor, Babis himself told LIVE NEWS directly that the cause was postpartum depression.

"My wife and I always went until Christmas. Any woman who has experienced it knows, it is difficult and the mother who goes through it needs love and help. "Caroline is strong and she moved on, a little with the help of me and the psychologist and a lot with the help of our daughter."

Day by day, the pilot began to become manipulative, saying that he would continue to answer the show's journalistic questions, as long as what was said was conveyed as sources, because his statements had begun to be misunderstood by the general public, while he claimed that and the police would not let him.

His reaction to what the journalist of "Neon" and "Vimatos" Vassilis Lambropoulos revealed, and put him in a difficult position, is typical.

"Lambropoulos is responsible for 90% of the mud that has fallen on me. From him all suspicions began and were reproduced by the rest of the Media. Any information that this person has conveyed, from the beginning of the investigation until now, has not been obtained from the Homicide. It is confusing and inaccurate information, which anyone who has been involved in the case for even 10 minutes understands. And it fills the rest with speculation. So, you have news that 'sells', with incomplete data and full of suspicion and intrigue ".

The last message
As the days passed, he repeated that he was trying to calm down, to take care of his baby, to find the courage to move out of the house of horror.

His last message, yesterday, on the day of his arrest, 6 minutes before he arrived at the church of the cemetery in Alonissos, for the Caroline memorial.

Γλυκά Νερά: Τα μηνύματα του πιλότου στο LIVE NEWS – Παρακολουθούσε κάθε κίνηση των ΜΜΕ | MEGA TV

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[tayaway]

Thema June 18

B's first boss, Hariklia Theodorou, discusses her experience standing by B when LE came to the memorial and told B he needed to go with them:

" You have to follow us, serious information has emerged about the case " was the first conversation of the police to Babi, says to protothema.gr the resident of Alonissos, Hariklia Theodorou. She is the woman who gave the pilot his first job as soon as he finished school. Babis Anagnostopoulos worked for two years as a waiter in her cafeteria before realizing his big dream, to become a helicopter pilot.

"I remember the look on his face, he was puzzled. He did not expect it " continues Hariklia Theodorou. " Hey guys, let me go to the trishagio at my wife's grave " , were his next words. I almost sat next to them and listened to all the conversation he had with the police. "No, Babi, you must follow us now, a man has been arrested in Eleftherios Venizelos who fits the characteristics of Caroline 's killer and we must take you there to identify him," the police insisted. "Babis did not object and followed them."

 

[tayaway]

B. has been in touch with journalists since the murder:
_____

And while the scenarios are raging about why the couple was taken to a mental health counselor, Babis himself told LIVE NEWS directly that the cause was postpartum depression.

"My wife and I always went until Christmas. Any woman who has experienced it knows, it is difficult and the mother who goes through it needs love and help. "Caroline is strong and she moved on, a little with the help of me and the psychologist and a lot with the help of our daughter."

Day by day, the pilot began to become manipulative, saying that he would continue to answer the show's journalistic questions, as long as what was said was conveyed as sources, because his statements had begun to be misunderstood by the general public, while he claimed that and the police would not let him.

His reaction to what the journalist of "Neon" and "Vimatos" Vassilis Lambropoulos revealed, and put him in a difficult position, is typical.

"Lambropoulos is responsible for 90% of the mud that has fallen on me. From him all suspicions began and were reproduced by the rest of the Media. Any information that this person has conveyed, from the beginning of the investigation until now, has not been obtained from the Homicide. It is confusing and inaccurate information, which anyone who has been involved in the case for even 10 minutes understands. And it fills the rest with speculation. So, you have news that 'sells', with incomplete data and full of suspicion and intrigue ".

The last message
As the days passed, he repeated that he was trying to calm down, to take care of his baby, to find the courage to move out of the house of horror.

His last message, yesterday, on the day of his arrest, 6 minutes before he arrived at the church of the cemetery in Alonissos, for the Caroline memorial.

Γλυκά Νερά: Τα μηνύματα του πιλότου στο LIVE NEWS – Παρακολουθούσε κάθε κίνηση των ΜΜΕ | MEGA TV

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It's bizarre that B was in daily communication with the press during a time of grieving. I remember when my cat, Floyd, died; I shuttered myself in and didn't talk to anybody for weeks. Sounds like B truly felt nothing.

 

[Tortoise]

Caroline Crouch murder: Husband 'covered up murder so he could raise daughter' | Daily Mail Online

"...removed the CCTV memory card which he snapped and flushed down the toilet."

Where did he put the jewels?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I bet if there really was a man arrested he would have said "yes that's him". He might have thought all his Christmases had come at once and he had gotten away with it.

"I remember the look on his face, he was puzzled. He did not expect it " continues Hariklia Theodorou. " Hey guys, let me go to the trishagio at my wife's grave " , were his next words. I almost sat next to them and listened to all the conversation he had with the police. "No, Babi, you must follow us now, a man has been arrested in Eleftherios Venizelos who fits the characteristics of Caroline 's killer and we must take you there to identify him," the police insisted. "Babis did not object and followed them."

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Did they exist in the first place.

Where did he put the jewels?

 

[Skigh]

From the daily mail article previously linked:


REAL timeline of Caroline's murder'
According to Babis's initial version of events, burglars broke into his house near Athens around 5am on May 11, tied him up alongside wife Caroline, robbed them, strangled her to death and then fled before he was able to call cops at 6am.

But detectives say that was an elaborate fiction, and have laid out in detail what they believe was really happening inside the house on that fateful night...

0.35am, May 11: A CCTV camera on the ground floor of the couple's home captures its last image, which police say shows Babis sitting on the sofa

In his arms is his infant daughter, and in his hands is a phone which they say he was using to text Caroline, who was upstairs

Detectives say the couple were in the midst of a bitter argument

1.20am: Babis removes the memory card from the camera, according to data stored in the device

He will later admit to snapping it in half and flushing it down the toilet in what officers argue is evidence that Caroline's murder was premeditated

0.35am - 4am: Babis and Caroline continue to argue over text messages which officers describe as 'particularly sharp and hard' with the couple 'fighting fiercely'

At some point, Caroline messages a friend to say she is leaving her husband. She also attempts to check into a hotel for the night

Police say the argument ended with a face-to-face confrontation in front of their daughter, with Caroline ordering Babis out of the house and telling him she wanted a divorce

4.01am: A fitness tracker attached to Caroline's wrist shows a sudden burst of heart activity. Detectives believe this is the moment a fight broke out between the couple

In a statement to police, Babis said Caroline hit him and he lost control, throwing her on to the bed before pressing her face into a pillow

4.11am: Caroline's fitness tracker shows that her heartbeat has stopped, she is dead

Detectives say Babis stuffed cotton into her mouth, then smothered her

4.11am - 6am: Babis spends the pre-dawn hours staging an elaborate break-in

According to the cop's version of events, he broke a latch on a downstairs window, then turned out hiding spots where valuables were kept to make it look like a burglary

In a sick twist, he then drowned the couple's seven-month-old husky puppy and hanged its body from the stair banister, later telling police that robbers must have killed it on their way in so it didn't wake them up

Officers say Babis then blindfolded himself, tied himself to the bed, and placed a call to a neighbour who alerted them to the 'burglary'

 

[MsBetsy]

Did they exist in the first place.

At least the wedding rings must exist, somewhere.

 

[Silverlinging89]

What a turd. Ah yes he selflessly wanted to someone else to prison for the murder he committed, so his daughter would have one parent. Such a selfless darling.

manipulative psycho, wait and watch for the ex girlfriends in his life to come forward now. These guys have to be charming or they wouldn't get away with their behaviour - he got to 32/33 likely treating women this way because they didn't see it coming and people would be unlikely to believe their suspicions and complaints. Classic.

the fact he removed the memory card before the murder makes it pre meditated. She wanted to leave him. He didn't catch her in flagrante delicto in bed with a guy.

 

[Lola68]

There was no DNA found under C's fingernails. ETA: Please see previous discussion and links about this - or simply google 'Caroline Crouch DNA fingernails' and you'll get news about how there was no DNA found.

Sorry I was going off this recent article in DM, although appreciate could be rehashed from previous articles and since ruled out. But in the article, it does suggest that they were physically fighting (? - unless this is based on B's account only) so would expect to find DNA under her nails.

I just thought they might not reveal that publicly as it woudn't be enough in itself to convict B because he lived with her IMO

 

[Angleterre]

Perhaps the LE wanted one last chance to observe his demeanour at the memorial service. Or is it only me who reckon that the police have a habit of attending victim’s funeral and memorials ??!!!

In the early days, after C’s funeral service, I was surprised when it was widely reported that B left the island on the same day with the daughter. I would have thought he would want to be as near to his beloved wife’s mortal remains as possible and on the island they met and fell in love, in the wake of the tragedy. And to lean on C’s parents for emotional support.

With regards to your comment about the Police attending the funeral of the victim - any murder investigation that was allocated to my Team and I, as the SIO, I would ALWAYS attend the funeral, to show our collective condolences and respects to both the victim and their families and to further cement my commitment to obtaining justice on their behalf. You have to know how the victim (and in some cases their families) lived, in order to find out the intricacies of their death and how , when, where, what and why they died.
Of course I can only speak of myself although I do know that the Murder Investigation Manual that is a major part of the course when training to become an SIO, states that it is a desirable action to take and that even if the Detective Ch Insp SIO cannot attend or the SIO role is given to a Detective Inspector, then the role can be delegated even down to the rank of Detective Sergeant. However, I can only speak of what I have seen and I don’t know how other forces approach this and if their SIO attends the victims funeral ( of which there are 43 just in England and Wales alone, with Scotland having a totally different law and set up to England and Ireland being governed in the north by the PSNI Police Service Northern Ireland and the south governed by Southern Ireland and their respective districts).
In fact, I buried my own father on a Friday and upon returning to work the following Monday, a murder occurred which I took on as SIO and the following Friday, a week on from my fathers funeral, I was back in the Church attending the murder victims funeral
Apologies for the long winded reply.

 

[Angleterre]

Well... JEEZ...
Even I thought I was a bit less attractive after body stretching... lactation (sorry guys... but it is real..) and all round alien changes that accompany child birth/raising...
I, of course found it all worth while... (because I am close to being a saint... BWAHAHAHA! and I am totally kidding!!! )

But for males with expectations of partners with youthful and un -flawed (is that even a word? . ) presentation may not find this appealing...even surprisingly so...

Hmmm...

Mr. Helicopter Guy starts searching for his NEXT conquest...

Again... Prolly too much theorizing...
But... then again... I imagine this situation is not wholly unheard of?

Alpine... Please show me where I am deficit in my ideas...

My then husband after our twins were born said that he found it difficult going from being No1 in my life to being relegated ( in his opinion) to No3 after the needs of the twins were met first and that he loved Angleterre the wife and partner but not so much Angleterre the mum. As much as I found this a childish way to think, I had to applaud his total honesty.
Not to derail the thread but which world leader?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It seems his attack took her by surprise, and she wasn't able to leave a mark on him.

Sorry I was going off this recent article in DM, although appreciate could be rehashed from previous articles and since ruled out. But in the article, it does suggest that they were physically fighting (? - unless this is based on B's account only) so would expect to find DNA under her nails.

 

[Patrick Jane]

B. has been in touch with journalists since the murder:
_____

And while the scenarios are raging about why the couple was taken to a mental health counselor, Babis himself told LIVE NEWS directly that the cause was postpartum depression.

"My wife and I always went until Christmas. Any woman who has experienced it knows, it is difficult and the mother who goes through it needs love and help. "Caroline is strong and she moved on, a little with the help of me and the psychologist and a lot with the help of our daughter."

Day by day, the pilot began to become manipulative, saying that he would continue to answer the show's journalistic questions, as long as what was said was conveyed as sources, because his statements had begun to be misunderstood by the general public, while he claimed that and the police would not let him.

His reaction to what the journalist of "Neon" and "Vimatos" Vassilis Lambropoulos revealed, and put him in a difficult position, is typical.

"Lambropoulos is responsible for 90% of the mud that has fallen on me. From him all suspicions began and were reproduced by the rest of the Media. Any information that this person has conveyed, from the beginning of the investigation until now, has not been obtained from the Homicide. It is confusing and inaccurate information, which anyone who has been involved in the case for even 10 minutes understands. And it fills the rest with speculation. So, you have news that 'sells', with incomplete data and full of suspicion and intrigue ".

The last message
As the days passed, he repeated that he was trying to calm down, to take care of his baby, to find the courage to move out of the house of horror.

His last message, yesterday, on the day of his arrest, 6 minutes before he arrived at the church of the cemetery in Alonissos, for the Caroline memorial.

Γλυκά Νερά: Τα μηνύματα του πιλότου στο LIVE NEWS – Παρακολουθούσε κάθε κίνηση των ΜΜΕ | MEGA TV

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Good for Lambropoulos, who was basically the only one in the Greek MSM doing their job and actually investigating and reporting. The majority of the Greek MSM have egg on their face today. They fell for the lies of this pathological liar, when at a minimum, according to basic journalism, they should have phrased things from a detached, skeptical perspective. Phrases like, "the alleged robbery" or "according to B, three robbers entered" or "he says that these purported robbers murdered his wife". But no, they treated his lies as fact. We were told that a robbery definitely occurred. His story was treated with the utmost respect and deference. Why? Because he was Greek, a man, came from a rich family, and with the status of a prestigious profession. His lies played in to racist and xenophobic elements in Greek society, and the Greek MSM ate it all up and did a great disservice to the public. And the host of "Light in the Tunnel" owes the public a mea culpa because her fawning all over B's media manipulation and lies, and vouching for him as a good guy, was utterly pathetic.

 

[Skigh]

Good for Lambropoulos, who was basically the only one in the Greek MSM doing their job and actually investigating and reporting. The majority of the Greek MSM have egg on their face today. They fell for the lies of this pathological liar, when at a minimum, according to basic journalism, they should have phrased things from a detached, skeptical perspective. Phrases like, "the alleged robbery" or "according to B, three robbers entered" or "he says that these purported robbers murdered his wife". But no, they treated his lies as fact. We were told that a robbery definitely occurred. His story was treated with the utmost respect and deference. Why? Because he was Greek, a man, came from a rich family, and with the status of a prestigious profession. His lies played in to racist and xenophobic elements in Greek society, and the Greek MSM ate it all up and did a great disservice to the public. And the host of "Light in the Tunnel" owes the public a mea culpa because her fawning all over B's media manipulation and lies, and vouching for him as a good guy, was utterly pathetic.

Is there any chance the police requested positive reporting so B was not alerted to the fact that people were highly suspicious of his story?

 

[MsBetsy]

Sorry I was going off this recent article in DM, although appreciate could be rehashed from previous articles and since ruled out. But in the article, it does suggest that they were physically fighting (? - unless this is based on B's account only) so would expect to find DNA under her nails.

I just thought they might not reveal that publicly as it woudn't be enough in itself to convict B because he lived with her IMO

I also saw articles that said the "DNA under her fingernails was inconclusive," so you're not imagining it. It may have just been worded incorrectly. I'm sure she put up a struggle, but DNA is more often found when the victim scratches her attacker, leaving traces of blood or skin under the fingernails.

So it could be that when he grabbed her and smothered her she didn't have a chance, especially if he grabbed her arms, or if on top of her, used his legs to pin her arms down as he gagged her or pushed her into a pillow. Imo

 

[Lola68]

B. has been in touch with journalists since the murder:
_____

And while the scenarios are raging about why the couple was taken to a mental health counselor, Babis himself told LIVE NEWS directly that the cause was postpartum depression.

"My wife and I always went until Christmas. Any woman who has experienced it knows, it is difficult and the mother who goes through it needs love and help. "Caroline is strong and she moved on, a little with the help of me and the psychologist and a lot with the help of our daughter."

Day by day, the pilot began to become manipulative, saying that he would continue to answer the show's journalistic questions, as long as what was said was conveyed as sources, because his statements had begun to be misunderstood by the general public, while he claimed that and the police would not let him.

His reaction to what the journalist of "Neon" and "Vimatos" Vassilis Lambropoulos revealed, and put him in a difficult position, is typical.

"Lambropoulos is responsible for 90% of the mud that has fallen on me. From him all suspicions began and were reproduced by the rest of the Media. Any information that this person has conveyed, from the beginning of the investigation until now, has not been obtained from the Homicide. It is confusing and inaccurate information, which anyone who has been involved in the case for even 10 minutes understands. And it fills the rest with speculation. So, you have news that 'sells', with incomplete data and full of suspicion and intrigue ".

The last message
As the days passed, he repeated that he was trying to calm down, to take care of his baby, to find the courage to move out of the house of horror.

His last message, yesterday, on the day of his arrest, 6 minutes before he arrived at the church of the cemetery in Alonissos, for the Caroline memorial.

Γλυκά Νερά: Τα μηνύματα του πιλότου στο LIVE NEWS – Παρακολουθούσε κάθε κίνηση των ΜΜΕ | MEGA TV

[google]

Narcissists also love attention

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I think he came up behind her while her back was turned, pushed her face down on the bed and proceeded to suffocate the life out of her.

What a "Gentleman"

So it could be that when he grabbed her and smothered her she didn't have a chance, especially if he grabbed her arms, or if on top of her, used his legs to pin her arms down as he gagged her or pushed her into a pillow. Imo

 

[Blondiexoxo]

The only ‘person’ who tortured Caroline is Babis. It takes a very sick individual to not only kill a person but a dog aswell and then allow his daughter to crawl over to her mothers dead body. And now of course he is saying that she ‘threw’ the baby into her cot and ‘punched’ him. No Babis, you’re not fooling anyone, give up attempting to tarnish Caroline now, it won’t do you any favours trying to pin any blame on her. You are the reason your child now has no parents. Shame on you. We didn’t believe your ‘robbers’ story and we don’t believe your latest attempt to paint your self in a somewhat good light. Narcissist through and through, it’s never their fault. The pictures of you hugging your mother in law just show what an evil being you are. How could you look your daughter and Caroline’s family in the eye after what you did? By being completely devoid of all feeling and emotion, because you are cold and calculated, that’s how.