Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, Murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #3 *ARREST*

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Is there any chance the police requested positive reporting so B was not alerted to the fact that people were highly suspicious of his story?

For sure LE was deliberately feeding the media information to lead them to believe it was a robbery so that they could gain time and evidence against B. Lambropoulos is so good and experienced at his job that I think he must have higher sources in LE who let him in on what was really going on. But my point is the Greek MSM needs to have a more detached and skeptical approach. Too many reporters are just like parrots. They parrot what LE tells them without thinking about it. As in, "if LE told me this, then this must have been what happened." No, actually, LE may be playing you to get to B. Also B may be playing you because he's a pathological liar. So your job is not to play the public, but to express things which you report to the public from a detached and skeptical perspective until we have more evidence and we know what's really going on. I think the Greek MSM could have reported from this detached perspective and it wouldn't have jeopardized LE's investigation and it wouldn't have tipped off B either. In other words, I'm not saying that they should have been critical of his account per se, but at least, at a minimum, neutral. Here they weren't neutral at all, they were "all in" on his lies and fake robbery narrative.
 
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‘I didn’t want to go to jail’ all me me me with these narcs. Makes me sick. Poor Caroline, he’s still blaming her now, after all the lies he’s told about this entire situation over the last 6 weeks. How is one supposed to believe a pathological liar?

So so angry about this. Not only has he destroyed his own life, Caroline’s little girl will have to grow up and learn all about what he did, then come to the horrific realisation that she was there and saw the whole thing unfold, whilst being so small and vulnerable she could not even speak to tell anyone what she had witnessed. He is a very disturbed man who should be kept far away from Caroline’s family and daughter forever.
 
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I'm guessing apologize should translate as plea?
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Babis Anagnostopoulos, the perpetrator of the heinous crime in Glyka Nera, was given a deadline to apologize on Tuesday at 10 am.

The murderer requested and received a deadline from the investigator for Tuesday, at 10 in the morning, for his lawyers to study the case and file a memorandum.

Προθεσμία για να απολογηθεί πήρε ο δολοφόνος της Καρολάιν | MEGA TV

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Yes, plea is a better translation.
 
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I think he came up behind her while her back was turned, pushed her face down on the bed and proceeded to suffocate the life out of her.

What a "Gentleman"

That seems like a possible scenario; LE noted that there were no signs of struggle on her body.
 
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I can’t even imagine the devastation and anger Caroline’s family are feeling right now. Her mother especially, being hugged by B just before his confession, knowing the person who spoke at her funeral was the person who stole her from this world. Knowing that one day she will have to explain to her granddaughter that daddy killed mummy. Absolutely heartbreaking.
 
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Yes, plea is a better translation.
Do you have an idea of how long it may be before the sentencing? They seem to do things very quickly in Greece.
 
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We’ve been on WS long enough to have called this a mile off. Occam’s razor- if it sounds like a ridiculous scenario it most probably is actually the simplest explanation. I’ve been sitting on my hands for so long they are numb but all that surprises me in this latest news is that he actually admitted it. Albeit likely with a few details changed so he doesn’t have to confess to being an abusive manipulative sociopathic husband who allowed his daughter to sit next to her mother’s corpse.

Robbers don’t break into a home to ‘torture’ and kill one person while leaving the other unscathed with not even a scratch or a single bruise on his face. This suggests that he tied Caroline’s body up and positioned her to look like she’d been tied up and assaulted when in reality any injuries she had were likely inflicted by him. I am positive that it will be revealed B was an abusive husband. That Caroline was planning to pack her bags, take her daughter and leave after an assault. He instead planned to murder her, disabling the cameras before hand shows pre meditation. - cameras I think were there to spy on Caroline when he was not home, perhaps linked to an app on his phone where he could monitor her every move then return home to interrogate her about what she’d been doing that day,

He must have spent those hours afterwards staging the scene, perhaps he killed the dog as an after thought to create the intruder theory ‘why would I hang my own dog?’ Tied himself up and made sure his phone was with him. The red flags were everywhere, right from the word go. MOO

Is it possible that the ‘therapist’ did have knowledge of Caroline’s intention to leave, but the police encouraged her to go public and state that they were happily married, Caroline never told her anything bad about her husband etc, so as to make B believe that they were really considering the intruder theory, and stop him from attempting to flee?

I completely disagree about the "secretly helpful" stance of the fake psychologist. She didn't help at all with the case and she is a huge fraud.
 
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Where else would you hide fake (nonexistent) money but in with the fake Monopoly money in the Monopoly box? B's staging was ridiculous . . .
 
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B was initially annoyed that the therapist had given "important" testimony to LE, knowing that she would reveal that things weren't as perfect as they seemed in the relationship. LE saw that he was spooked, and encouraged the therapist to speak to the press giving a glowing account which fits with B's narrative. It's just unfortunate the press then looked into her and realised she had made up her credentials. Can her testimony still be used if the evidence she gave was gained under false pretences (impersonating a psychologist)?

B is a classic narcissist. His instagram eulogy to C - "Together forever" - i.e. if I can't have you, no one can.

IMO

We don't have any clue about the good will of the fake psychologist. Don't wash her out. In my opinion she is guilty too (maybe for other things). She is a huge fraud.
 
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I think he came up behind her while her back was turned, pushed her face down on the bed and proceeded to suffocate the life out of her.

What a "Gentleman"
I was thinking he may have done it the way Chris Watts described killing his wife. He said he was on top of her, straddling her with his legs. Her mascara was on the sheets or the pillow so she was also facedown. There was no DNA under her fingernails either.
 
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Sputnik News June 18: This piece is about the testimony of the fake psychologist shortly before B's arrest. It's a poor translation and I might be messing it up, but here's what I got from it anyway:

EM's observation of the family: B did not allow C to attend sessions alone. They were an unhappy couple. The baby was small for her age (well, ya, preemie), and was sad. B asked EM at one point to say something positive about him publicly.

Your translation is unfortunately wrong. The "piece of her testimony" is only her word about her testimony, and there is nothing official from the greek police. Secondly, EM said that B. didn't want Caroline to speak alone with her. Finally, EM said that she didn't think that B. could have killed her.
 
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koutipandoras.gr Roxy, the dog killed and hanged by Caroline's murderer.

This is MSM giving a nod to the shelter's FB post that several members referred to earlier, but FB isn't an acceptable source.
 
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I completely disagree about the "secretly helpful" stance of the fake psychologist. She didn't help at all with the case and she is a huge fraud.
She may have been helpful if she was able to provide evidence to LE that Caroline's husband was abusive. Therapists can break confidentiality when speaking to LE in a criminal case. Again, she may have been releasing information according to what Babis said, not C. Remember, he gave her permission to speak about his sessions. He apparently asked her to say something positive about him, which she did.

IMO
 
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I think he came up behind her while her back was turned, pushed her face down on the bed and proceeded to suffocate the life out of her.

What a "Gentleman"
I have read one report today which says she was lying on her front and he sat on her back to smother her, but I can't remember which article it was. I'll see if I can find it again.

ETA the article and quote:

"I felt Caroline drown [suffocate?] for five minutes as I ran my hands around her neck and pressed her head against the pillow," the 33-year-old pilot told Homicide Officers.

The killer described in detail the chronicle of the savage murder. As he told the police for another night he had a fight with his wife.

He tried, he said, four times that night to approach her to calm her down, but she was negative and aggressive. Caroline, according to the pilot, left the ground floor and went to the attic to sleep. At four in the morning he went up to the bedroom.

"I put Lydia in the middle of the bed and lay down next to my wife. I hugged her and then she woke up. "He [She] pushed our daughter and asked me to get out of bed," the perpetrator testified.


She [He] then reported that she [he] was confused and, as Caroline was lying face down, he climbed on top of her and grabbed her by the neck and strangled her. The biometric watch - mobile phone that the girl had in her hand, showed that the last pulse of her heart was at 04:11 in the morning.

Γλυκά Νερά: Το χρονικό της δολοφονίας, από το στόμα του πιλότου - FreeOpinion.news
 
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Your translation is unfortunately wrong. The "piece of her testimony" is only her word about her testimony, and there is nothing official from the greek police. Secondly, EM said that B. didn't want Caroline to speak alone with her. Finally, EM said that she didn't think that B. could have killed her.
So B never asked her to say something positive about him? If that's the case, disregard my previous post! Or maybe I should edit it. I thought maybe it was true since he apparently gave her permission to talk to the media.
 
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So B never asked her to say something positive about him? If that's the case, disregard my previous post! Or maybe I should edit it. I thought maybe it was true since he apparently gave her permission to talk to the media.

The part with the "few good words" is correct. But i think EM is hiding something.
 
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SBM

Originally I thought they attended together but now we know that's not true.
Imo

B came to all of C's sessions. Do you have a source that makes you think otherwise?
 
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B came to all of C's sessions. Do you have a source that makes you think otherwise?
No, I don't, but I thought I read on the thread that they also had sessions alone. So I guess my first thought was correct. Still, she could have revealed only what he said and not what Caroline said. Imo

ETA Also, the fact that she said B did not want Caroline to speak alone with her, doesn't mean that she didn't. It's not uncommon in any type of couples counseling for each partner to have their own sessions.
 
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koutipandoras.gr

In the next few hours, the Juvenile Prosecutor's Office is expected to decide who from the family environment of the one-year-old daughter of the perpetrator and the victim of the crime in Glyka Nera will take care of the child.

The case file, according to information, is already in the Juvenile Prosecutor's Office, which, according to article 1532 of the Civil Code, will temporarily assign custody of little Lydia either to Caroline's relatives in Alonissos or to the family of the accused pilot in Glyka Nera.
 
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