Greece - Caroline Crouch, 20, tortured and murdered, Athens, 11 May 2021 #4 *ARREST*

[tayaway]

Thank you Omasa4,

TIMELINE OF CAROLINE CROUCH (edited)

12 July 2001 Born in the UK to Susana and David Crouch
2009 Moves to the island of Alonissos age 8
B's mother is one of her teachers
2015 C Meets B when 14-15yo. B starts flying his helicopter over the school to impress her.
2017 Trip to The Philippines
?Miscarriage
July 2019 - Wedding in Portugal
?They rent a house in Glyka Nera, Athens
Falls pregnant with Lydia
3 June 2020 baby Lydia is born premature birth
April/May 2021 Trip to Dubai
May 2021 C is murdered by B

CORRECTION: I GOT THIS (below) FROM C'S FACEBOOK PAGE. I ASSUMED IT WAS HER MARRIAGE DATE AS NOBODY USUALLY PUTS ANOTHER PERSON'S WEDDING DATE ON FB. .
Married Faidra Karoutsou
November 14, 2015

Faidra was her bestie. Close friends often have mock weddings. I 'married' one of my gay coworkers and we wore handmade rings at work.

 

[Dotta]

That must be a typo, C herself on her FB page lists her wedding day as July 15, 2019.

I have no the faintiest idea As for monetary dealings in these families, even Pitagoras would scratch his head

 

[tayaway]

Sorry, my reason for posting that 'Sun' link is to show that B is determined to demonstrate that the pregnancy and miscarriage occurred after they got married, but the 'a few weeks after we married' makes me wonder if this is a lie and she was, in fact, pregnant when they married.

Shall we take up the B accuracy challenge? C's 18th bday was July 12, 2019. According to her FB, they got married 3 days later, on July 15. If we go by B's assertion from jail, that the miscarriage happened after they were married, this is the approximate math I come up with, for curiosity's sake:

The Sun June 23 2020:
"Caroline became pregnant a few weeks after we got married," he told a judge in an Athens court.
"Unfortunately, when she was three months pregnant, Caroline miscarried, and since then her behaviour had been gradually changing.
"But the catalyst for the change in Caroline’s behaviour was the miscarriage of her first pregnancy.
"From that moment on, she started to have aggressive outbursts and explosions towards me."

Let's say B is accurate, for this exercise. C got pregnant July 29th, 2019. 3 months later, on Oct 29, she miscarried and became aggressive. Now, we have to take baby L's June 3rd preemie birth into account. The earliest a woman can ovulate after a miscarriage is 2 weeks or 14 days. So of course, C got pregnant again on Nov 12, 2019, with baby L. Her due date would have been Aug 18, 2020. She delivered baby L on June 3, 2020, 2.5 months early, after 29 weeks gestation, leaving baby L in the NICU for quite a while, with chances of complications. If B is telling the truth, we will have to assume they conceived baby L right on the 2 week miscarriage mark, in this example, or baby L will have a lifetime of developmental issues, being born at 28 or 27 or 26 weeks etc...

And wow, ok, so she turned into this aggressive husband beater, so why on earth did he want to try again for kids, let alone so quickly? Why on earth would he want to bring a child into the world who'd have a violent, mentally disturbed mother?

 

[Tiny]

Greek police now fear Caroline Crouch's helicopter pilot husband may have been smuggling drugs for cartels and killed his British wife when she found out. Theories of potential drug involvement were sparked after an investigation into Charalambos Anagnostopoulos' finances revealed he lived a lavish lifestyle, despite earning a pilot's salary. Police officers found the couple had recently purchased a £47,000 plot of land, designed a £140,000 home, and enjoyed an expensive get away to Dubai.

Caroline Crouch's husband 'smuggled drugs for cartels, may have killed his wife when she found out' | Daily Mail Online

When did they go to Dubai?

I am now guessing that both parents could have been asked if they gave B any money for the plot of land/building project and they said "no". Also whether the police have checked B's supposed mortgage of 160,000 euros that he told police about and that has been disproven. Maybe B was laundering the money he gained from drug smuggling into the plot of land/house project? It appeared to be by private sale. If so, that's £187,000 or $344,002.40 AUD. I must say that it did sound strange to me that he only had $3K euros to invest himself.

On “his” Instagram there are pictures of Caroline from Dubai on the 1st of May. Ten days later she was murdered.
I wondered about that Dubai trip - whether it was a holiday or a “business” trip. The mind boggles about what type of business.

 

[Dotta]

That must be a typo, C herself on her FB page lists her wedding day as July 15, 2019.

Pre-wedding announcement? It is practised in a religious wedding.

 

[Lola68]

I have seen a photo of her with her classmates skylarking. Is it that photo?

However, C's mother (in her 50s?) is much younger than her father (78) and the age of consent in the Philippines is 12. His mother taught C and they had a house on the island. Her father was in the air force so flying was a common interest between the males. I wonder how well the parents knew each other?

But what I would really like to know is why their parents did not attend the wedding. Was it only because they thought the age difference was too great or she was too young? Did they approve of C and B having a sexual relationship? It appears that C fell pregnant and had the miscarriage even before the wedding so they did not get married due to her being pregnant. Perhaps she did not know about contraception! B may have planned it that way to trap her. But maybe they started planning it when she first of all became pregnant. If C had such a close relationship with her parents, it's a wonder she did not wait until she was old enough to get married. I would never have married unless my parents could come.

I would also like to know why C did not like B's parents and had not taken Lydia to see them.

From what I have read, the relationship between C and B's parents is very good - in spite of what's happened. I think that came from C's parents' lawyer. Given that B's parents hadn't seen the baby (apparently), it would suggest the parents' relationship was forged earlier and not because they had become grandparents.

C's parents must have approved of the relationship to a degree because she was allowed to see him when she was a minor - she didn't run away from home. I think the marriage was premature (poss because C became pregnant although who needs to be married to have a baby these days? Is it culturally less acceptable in Greece?) and maybe B & C knew their parents wouldn't approve which is why they did it without them. B said C organised everything (not that I trust what he says) - I would be interested to know the timeframe between deciding to get married and making it official.

Re the idea that C didn't like B's parents - as far as I know, that info has only been reported in MSM as coming from the online or e-diary that we don't even know if it actually exists, let alone if C wrote it (assuming the hidden paper one that was written in code does exist and was written by C - but again, if it's genuine, why are sections of it being released to the media). All IMO

 

[Dotta]

C in a school video

Νέο βίντεο ντοκουμέντο - Όταν η Καρολάιν συμμετείχε σε βίντεο κατά της βίας

 

[Dotta]

Caroline Crouch's mum 'gave £17k to son-in-law just days before he killed wife'

 

[tayaway]

I think the marriage was premature (poss because C became pregnant although who needs to be married to have a baby these days? Is it culturally less acceptable in Greece?) and maybe B & C knew their parents wouldn't approve which is why they did it without them. B said C organised everything (not that I trust what he says) - I would be interested to know the timeframe between deciding to get married and making it official. All IMO

SBM

According to the wedding dress designer (ta nea June 25), neither set of parents approved of the wedding, hence partly why they eloped and married 3 days after C turned 18.

C in a school video

Νέο βίντεο ντοκουμέντο - Όταν η Καρολάιν συμμετείχε σε βίντεο κατά της βίας

Ah, ok, C was 13 here, so B didn't start with flying the chopper over her school to impress her until the following year.

Caroline Crouch's mum 'gave £17k to son-in-law just days before he killed wife'

C's mother gave how much money in total over time??? What went on here? @Dotta, you better get to the bottom of this money thing!

 

[Dotta]

SBM

According to the wedding dress designer (ta nea June 25), neither set of parents approved of the wedding, hence partly why they eloped and married 3 days after C turned 18.



Ah, ok, C was 13 here, so B didn't start with flying the chopper over her school to impress her until the following year.



C's mother gave how much money in total over time??? What went on here? @Dotta, you better get to the bottom of this money thing!

To the bottom??? I'd rather not - it seems bottomless. "Plenty is no Plague" seems to be B's motif.

 

[Tiny]

Regarding the money Caroline’s mum gave B. Her lawyer is confirming money was given for Caroline’s funeral. Caroline Crouch's mum 'gave £17k to son-in-law just days before he killed wife'

 

[tayaway]

To the bottom??? I'd rather not - it seems bottomless. "Plenty is no Plague" seems to be B's motif.

Like Gringotts in Harry Potter? You might never come back! Best to just leave that to LE!

 

[Dotta]

Like Gringotts in Harry Potter? You might never come back! Best to just leave that to LE!

Absolutely! Let them prove themselves

 

[MsBetsy]

Regarding the money Caroline’s mum gave B. Her lawyer is confirming money was given for Caroline’s funeral. Caroline Crouch's mum 'gave £17k to son-in-law just days before he killed wife'

Sounds like they were definitely living beyond their means if Babis couldn't even afford the downpayment on the lot. I wonder if his "blurred" state of mind will turn into a "not guilty by reason of insanity defense."

 

[Dotta]

Sounds like they were definitely living beyond their means if Babis couldn't even afford the downpayment on the lot. I wonder if his "blurred" state of mind will turn into a "not guilty by reason of insanity defense."

"There is Method in B's Madness" haha

 

[Dotta]

Γλυκά Νερά – Δικηγόρος οικογένειας Καρολάιν: Ο Αναγνωστόπουλος έγραψε το οικόπεδο στο όνομά του

New info from "therapist": divorce, plot, baptism of baby L.

 

[tayaway]

As somebody who studied martial arts (TKD) in high school and loved it tremendously, it is really upsetting for me to hear that C was a natural talent and that B convinced her to quit.

tanea.gr July 4

"She was forced to stop"
The testimony of a person who knew Caroline from the martial arts school in Alonissos is also interesting. It is recalled that the young woman had many activities and interests, including kickboxing.

As this person reveals to Realnews, the girl had a rare talent but was forced to stop engaging in this sport.

"Caroline was a very good athlete, perhaps the best she went through this school. "She was a miracle girl, a unique talent, who unfortunately stopped kickboxing not because she wanted to, but because they imposed it on her," he says characteristically.

Babis is considered to be to blame for this: "They tried to persuade her not to stop kickboxing, while they stressed that she was young and had an age difference with Babis. They did not manage to prevent it "

«Της επέβαλαν να σταματήσει»
Ενδιαφέρον έχει και η μαρτυρία ατόμου που γνώριζε την Καρολάιν από τη σχολή πολεμικών τεχνών στην Αλόννησο. Υπενθυμίζεται ότι η νεαρή είχε πολλές δραστηριότητες και ενδιαφέροντα, ανάμεσά τους και το kickboxing.

Όπως αποκαλύπτει λοιπόν το άτομο αυτό στη Realnews, η κοπέλα είχε σπάνιο ταλέντο αλλά αναγκάστηκε να σταματήσει την ενασχόλησή της με το συγκεκριμένο άθλημα.

«Η Καρολάιν ήταν μια πολύ καλή αθλήτρια, ίσως η καλύτερη που πέρασε από τη συγκεκριμένη σχολή. Ήταν ένα κορίτσι-θαύμα, ένα μοναδικό ταλέντο, που δυστυχώς σταμάτησε το kickboxing όχι επειδή το ήθελε, αλλά επειδή της το επέβαλαν…», αναφέρει χαρακτηριστικά.

Υπαίτιος για αυτό θεωρείται ο Μπάμπης: «Προσπάθησαν να την πείσουν να μην σταματήσει το kickboxing, ενώ της τόνιζαν ότι ήταν μικρή και είχε διαφορά ηλικίας με τον Μπάμπη. Δεν κατάφεραν να την αποτρέψουν»

 

[nao]

Elvis Presley was 25 and Priscilla was 14 when they started dating. I understand the anger at murder but the anger at age difference I do not understand. Moo

 

[Dotta]

Elvis Presley was 25 and Priscilla was 14 when they started dating. I understand the anger at murder but the anger at age difference I do not understand. Moo

Gorgeous Elvis - "It's now or never" Swoon and double Swoon hihi All girls were madly in love with him!!! And he never killed Priscilla, did he?

 

[nao]

It was same type of controlling relationship. The point was such age difference are not that uncommon it does not usually end in murder. But the control dynamic is often present. Moo