GUILTY GUILTY OF ABUSE OF A CORPSE ONLY OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in grave 7 May 2017 #3

[Weki]

The way the state structured their closing, it almost felt like they shifted the burden to defense. I think defense boxed themselves in with this stillbirth theory and putting on a case. They should've just sat on their laurels and argued the state can not prove the baby was born alive, and left it at that. By bringing shoddy experts, useless character witnesses, and beating the drum so loudly for this stillbirth theory, they've allowed the burden to be shifted somewhat. They also made their client look desperate.

I thought Knippen's closing was effective. I thought he hit all the points. His indignation was just right.

I have no doubt the baby was born alive and she likely suffocated it. She stifled the baby's cries just like she stifled her labor pains. I am not unsympathetic towards her. Just looking at Kim's body language makes me angry on behalf of BSR. Because of her age and circumstances, I don't think she should do life for this but I think she should do time. Even if she's not found guilty on aggravated murder, I hope she's found guilty on the remainder. If she walks away from this, it'll be because of jury nullification.

 

[iluvmua]

I didn't hear the Prosecution ask for Aggravated Murder. I believe he talked about Involuntary Manslaughter. I could be wrong though.

One of the charges is Aggravated Murder

 

[kim.kitchenstupman]

Watching Court TV synopsis with a Talking Heads.

I was so excited for Court tv to start. Now, I can not turn it off quick enough. They drive me crazy but I still like Vinnie. He is easy on the eyes.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

The DR's office did try to reach Skylar, multiple times. He acknowledged on the stand, though, that she didn't have VM, so he couldn't/didn't leave any messages for her. Missed calls.

I miss that, that someone who is late teen doesn't have voicemail. Are you saying that was stated by the doctor as I missed that.

 

[kim.kitchenstupman]

I miss that, that someone who is late teen doesn't have voicemail. Are you saying that was stated by the doctor as I missed that.

It could be that in the medical records she had it checked that no voicemails can be left. I know for working in the medical field that there is an option for that. Maybe even her VM was full?

 

[gitana1]

Closing arguments are done. The judge is now instructing jurors before deliberations begin. See the defendant's reaction at the end of the state's argument:

Video:
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She's a cold fish.

 

[Mariposa]

I miss that, that someone who is late teen doesn't have voicemail. Are you saying that was stated by the doctor as I missed that.

Yeah I think he did say that. My recollection is the doctor said he tried to call her once and the nurse manager for the clinic said the doctor asked her to call as well and she tried twice.

 

[Jewels53]

Sadly I don't have the chance to watch!! I don't have time. How long were they?

The closing were about 1 hrs each.

 

[Tillicum]

43 years ago this month I delivered my firstborn. He survived 2 days before dying from severe birth defects. Every thunderstorm, flood or snow/ice storm in those 43 years, I've wanted to hold him and protect from the elements. My mind always goes to his grave. I can't begin to imagine how any mother could just place her naked newborn in a shallow hole of dirt. I just can't.

 

[Jewels53]

If we get a verdict we will have to wait for Skylar to come back. She left the courthouse with her parents. She waived her right to be present for jury questions.

Lauren Pack@LPack JN
Judge Oda is talking to Skylar about whether she wants to be present if the jury should have a question if she waives her right to be present. She answers, "yes."
@journalnews

 

[AllyBeeUK]

Yes, her aunt was in the media quite a bit earlier if I recall correctly. That could be somebody she could reach out to. And did she?

I recall reading that interview and thinking her aunt seemed pleasant enough. I did wonder why auntie didn't reach out to her niece to ask if she was ok. I wonder if the family were wary of becoming too involved considering the unhealthy relationship between Skylar and her mum.

 

[stmarysmead]

I’ve wondered if the email to Mom was no “ mistake. “ Kim was his patient too...Dr delivered both her babies. Maybe after failing to reach Skylar in several tries...the “mistaken email” was sent directly to Kim.

But that got no response either....

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I predict it will be quick.

Interesting that as a lawyer you think that.

This is the the most difficult cases I have ever followed, including doing a 180 flip flop, as to making a decision on which charge to give her as to guilty.

I don't think this is like Pinellas County and that the jury will be vilified for years and forever if they do lesser charges.

This has been a very difficult case to follow I think, the reason being I went into it and I have now done a 180.

For me at least as a lay person it has been so emotionally upsetting, to see through the emotion to get to the facts, for you as a lawyer it may be extremely clear cut.

And I hate even thinking that she is going to get off with something that she deserves because of a Casey Anthony and Pinellas County verdict.

ETA, I'm not speaking that the trial was in Pinellas County, but the jurors were from Pinellas County and that is how they are referred to in this website.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

38 minutes into verdict watch mods

 

[gitana1]

43 years ago this month I delivered my firstborn. He survived 2 days before dying from severe birth defects. Every thunderstorm, flood or snow/ice storm in those 43 years, I've wanted to hold him and protect from the elements. My mind always goes to his grave. I can't begin to imagine how any mother could just place her naked newborn in a shallow hole of dirt. I just can't.

Oh no. I wish I could hug you right now. That's devastating.

Yes. That really struck me. It really stood out. No mother who cared for her child would put her naked baby in a hole. In fact, no person, for that matter, who values life in any way or felt any bit of sentiment or pity would do so. Even if that was NOT there own child. I don't believe it. She treated the baby worse than most treat their pets.

It made me realize she is a liar and how much of her display was an act.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

It could be that in the medical records she had it checked that no voicemails can be left. I know for working in the medical field that there is an option for that. Maybe even her VM was full?

Oh, then that explains that her voicemail wasn't full, that they sent it to an email versus sending it to a voicemail or to texts. Got you.

A lot of stuff hasn't been clear here in this case which I wanted to know.

( yet O/P post said that the doctor tried to leave her voicemails???)

 

[Jewels53]

43 years ago this month I delivered my firstborn. He survived 2 days before dying from severe birth defects. Every thunderstorm, flood or snow/ice storm in those 43 years, I've wanted to hold him and protect from the elements. My mind always goes to his grave. I can't begin to imagine how any mother could just place her naked newborn in a shallow hole of dirt. I just can't.

I am sorry you had to experience that. Your son had to be very special to you.

I have known women whom have had stillborns who grieve tremendously. It is so sad.

 

[Weki]

I think what makes this case so difficult is that it's not about malice. It's about fear. Fear of an 18 yo personality disordered woman with , dysfunctional parents. We can not overlook their role in all of this. She was still in high school, living under their care. Then you add Kim's knowledge of the pregnancy and those text exchanges. And on the other hand you have a helpless newborn, all alone in the dark of night likely suffocated to death.

 

[gitana1]

Interesting that as a lawyer you think that.

This is the the most difficult cases I have ever followed, including doing a 180 flip flop, as to making a decision on which charge to give her as to guilty.

I don't think this is like Pinellas County and that the jury will be vilified for years and forever if they do lesser charges.

This has been a very difficult case to follow I think, the reason being I went into it and I have now done a 180.

For me at least as a lay person it has been so emotionally upsetting, to see through the emotion to get to the facts, for you as a lawyer it may be extremely clear cut.

And I hate even thinking that she is going to get off with something that she deserves because of a Casey Anthony and Pinellas County verdict.

I'm basing it on patterns and who she is. She is effective at the little girl lost routine. She's an upper-middle class blonde with good lawyers. It's a neonaticide case which culturally society tends to excuse or mitigate or deny.

Juries like COD. I think some will feel she killed her child but the defense enabled an out.

The judge dismissed tampering and that was huge for me. I think a real loss and the jury will know that's gone. If hiding the body of a person that died because you killed the person or endangered them isn't tampering with evidence, what is?

Maybe OH needs more. Maybe that charge was connected to the supposed attempt to burn the corpse. I haven't looked.

But regardless, I'm basing my feeling in large part on trends with these cases. Even where there is COD they often go light on verdict and sentencing.

The defense experts enabled an avenue for reasonable doubt. I think some jurors will jump on that. Others will believe she probably harmed her child but will go with not guilty on the more serious charges.

 

[oviedo]

I'm basing it on patterns and who she is. She is effective at the little girl lost routine. She's an upper-middle class blonde with good lawyers. It's a neonaticide case which culturally society tends to excuse or mitigate or deny.

Juries like COD. I think some will feel she killed her child but the defense enabled an out.

The judge dismissed tampering and that was huge for me. I think a real loss and the jury will know that's gone. If hiding the body of a person that died because you killed the person or endangered them isn't tampering with evidence, what is?

Maybe OH needs more. Maybe that charge was connected to the supposed attempt to burn the corpse. I haven't looked.

But regardless, I'm basing my feeling in large part on trends with these cases. Even where there is COD they often go light on verdict and sentencing.

The defense experts enabled an avenue for reasonable doubt. I think some jurors will jump on that. Others will believe she probably harmed her child but will go with not guilty on the more serious charges.

My guess is involuntary manslaughter .... JMO