GUILTY GUILTY OF ABUSE OF A CORPSE ONLY OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in grave 7 May 2017 #3

[Easymobee]

DPD decision making tends to play out in a way that the person in question needs an inordinate amount of outside approval/direction to make even many basic decisions.

Positive feedback is sought early & often in many decisions to reinforce the decision even after it’s been made. They are unsure of themselves in a noticeably abnormal fashion.,

This could be something like what shirt has been chosen or if where they hung a picture.

It could also be in a scenario like burying your baby in the garden.

It’s in indirect “coded” language but after seeing all of those texts Brooke sent Kim before and after the incident , I see CONSTANT direction given my mom before and again CONSTANT instances of approval/positive feedback after the incident.

She just never directly addresses the problem in an unmistakable kind of way. It’s a personality disordered dance around the incriminating details , but the direction and positive approval is all there nonetheless ( imo of course ).

 

[zea mays]

It’s not a vague or absurd diagnosis. It’s a recognised and well documented condition, and presumably he has sufficient documentation to show she was diagnosed with it prior to all the events of the trial.

I’m disappointed by the amount of dismissive and judgemental comments throughout this thread in relation to mental health (not specifically talking about the poster above here). People armchair-diagnosing conditions and disregarding the official diagnoses of qualified professionals. Conflating a severe eating disorder with “vanity”/ “caring too much about her looks”.

Whether you believe she is guilty or not, mental illness is every bit as real and inescapable as diabetes or a broken leg and it’s incredibly ignorant to speak so dismissively about these conditions. It’s highly likely there will be others reading here with similar struggles and diagnoses, and it’s this dismissive, disbelieving attitude that stops so many people from reaching out and getting the help they need.

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I agree mental illness and/or eating disorders are very real. I think the vanity aspect people are discussing (or at least what I've seen here) are about the MOTHER. She's obsessed with looks/vanity/etc which resulted in a very real eating disorder in the daughter.

Also, I don't believe the psychologist ever met BSR before this event. She was diagnosed as part of his assessment for this trial. So, it's a new diagnosis, but I presume he does have all the testing, etc, to indicate it. I think the prosecution would've objected if he didn't.

 

[MsJosie]

More then likely she had a health class in school that went over information on pregnancy. Bring 18, she should know right from wrong, when to ask for help...I believe she was afraid of what her mother would say. Keeping up appearances is important. With the info I now know, I feel she knew what she was doing with the baby. I feel she is guilty of murder.....however I have a feeling the jury will find her not guilty or give her a lesser charge....and no time in jail....why....cute cheerleader from nice family with some money. She will get away with it like Anthony did.

I hope she thinks before getting pregnant again.

Too bad another could not be charged in this senseless murder. That person knew she was pregnant and was a minor at that time.

A sad sad ending.

 

[iluvmua]

More then likely she had a health class in school that went over information on pregnancy. Bring 18, she should know right from wrong, when to ask for help...I believe she was afraid of what her mother would say. Keeping up appearances is important. With the info I now know, I feel she knew what she was doing with the baby. I feel she is guilty of murder.....however I have a feeling the jury will find her not guilty or give her a lesser charge....and no time in jail....why....cute cheerleader from nice family with some money. She will get away with it like Anthony did.

I hope she thinks before getting pregnant again.

Too bad another could not be charged in this senseless murder. That person knew she was pregnant and was a minor at that time.

A sad sad ending.

Under ohio law she is guilty of aggravated murder

 

[Easymobee]

Kim Richardson might need to visit the Vacuum Repair Shop from ‘Breaking Bad’ ... like Walter White & Nichol Kessinger did before her.

 

[legalmomma]

I noticed there were no pictures nor photos on walls of bedrooms. Just some leaning on furniture. Maybe all removed for legal reasons?

Pretty sure the house will be up for sale soon....moving away....starting over.

 

[Wishbone]

Yes but like I said she was 32. She had been anorexic for almost two decades. Lots of strain on her heart. Over a decade of chronic laxative abuse. She destroyed her heart so badly that she really had no chance of recovery. That can definitely happen to this gal. Especially with a mother who is actively encouraging her illness. Almost compelling it.

Anectdotally I know too much about eating disorders and have known several people with the condition. I guess I can reveal I was misdiagnosed as a teen and locked up at age 14 in a unit with girls and women. All had eating disorders except me and one other teen who was also misdiagnosed because she had diabetes.

I feel it was partially due to an insurance scam that I was misdiagnosed and the hospital was later sued in a class action due to booting people who were truly ill when the money dried up and also falsely diagnosing many teens who had no real issues but were diagnosed with a myriad of conditions on other units.

I mean they saw immediately that I ate with no problems so they changed my diagnosis from anorexia to bulimia even though I never attempted to throw up. I was there for almost six months until the insurance dried up and then I was magically "cured". Saw a lot of women and girls in various stages go though there.

The only one who died was one who accidentally punctured her esophagus or throat and bled out that I described earlier.

Many were vastly more emaciated than this gal. Several had been sick for decades. Several in their 30's and one even in her 50's. But most were in their 20's to be fair.

It was a bizarre experience. Gave me a life-long fear of being trapped. Super kafkaesque.

Her weight is concerning. She looks emaciated and frail. But I saw so many who were so much worse looking and had been for a long time. So I have an opinion based on that.

But I'm aware it's anectodal. I'm no expert.

I had a cousin that starved herself for over 30 years and finally died from heart failure. She looked like a skeleton, was in and out of hospitals and treatment, and still believed she was fat. My aunt tried to help her for years but none of the help or treatment stopped her from starving herself to death. It was tragic to watch.

 

[Hope4More]

It’s not a vague or absurd diagnosis. It’s a recognised and well documented condition, and presumably he has sufficient documentation to show she was diagnosed with it prior to all the events of the trial.

I’m disappointed by the amount of dismissive and judgemental comments throughout this thread in relation to mental health (not specifically talking about the poster above here). People armchair-diagnosing conditions and disregarding the official diagnoses of qualified professionals. Conflating a severe eating disorder with “vanity”/ “caring too much about her looks”.

Whether you believe she is guilty or not, mental illness is every bit as real and inescapable as diabetes or a broken leg and it’s incredibly ignorant to speak so dismissively about these conditions. It’s highly likely there will be others reading here with similar struggles and diagnoses, and it’s this dismissive, disbelieving attitude that stops so many people from reaching out and getting the help they need.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk

I think you misunderstood my point. To make it more clear:

1. I'm convinced it was a major, perhaps fatal strategic error by the defense to have put that psych expert on the stand.

2. He was essentially tasked with convincing the jury that Skylar made a false confession, and why she would have done so.

3. IMO he was prevented from presenting ANY diagnosis he made in full context, because to do so would necessitate providing ammunition to the State: that Skylar's pathological submission to authority stemmed from her enmeshed relationship with Kim, which would make it more likely she would have done anything to stay Kim's wrath, including killing her baby.

4. Absent the presentation of any other context, yes, I think the diagnosis he presented will seem very vague to the jury, and worse case, as an absurd rationale for how she responded in the second interrogation.

That isn't a dismissal or minimalization of the disorder itself, much less of mental illness as a whole.

 

[princessdana]

More then likely she had a health class in school that went over information on pregnancy. Bring 18, she should know right from wrong, when to ask for help...I believe she was afraid of what her mother would say. Keeping up appearances is important. With the info I now know, I feel she knew what she was doing with the baby. I feel she is guilty of murder.....however I have a feeling the jury will find her not guilty or give her a lesser charge....and no time in jail....why....cute cheerleader from nice family with some money. She will get away with it like Anthony did.

I hope she thinks before getting pregnant again.

Too bad another could not be charged in this senseless murder. That person knew she was pregnant and was a minor at that time.

A sad sad ending.

who knew?

 

[princessdana]

who knew?

did I miss something

 

[osu]

Full report from Day 7 of the Brooke Skylar Richardson trial. It will by in the jury’s hands tomorrow

Carlisle buried baby trial: Defense finishes with testimony on Richardson’s character, mental disorder on Day 7

Brooke Richardson trial: Defense rests after Day 7

 

[Spellbound]

The first I actually heard it was on cross examination. It may have been said earlier, but that was the first time I caught it.

(Snipped quote for relevant portion)

Thank you, zeta mays.... I finally found it and you are correct (as we’re others here). I have not heard the Dr. say the words “personality disorder”, but when Prosecutor Kraft refers to PD he does not correct her. I take that as agreement on his part.

There is a partial video of today’s trial on the page. The relevant portion of Dr. Bassman’s cross by Prosecutor Kraft begins @ 24.50
Carlisle buried baby trial: Defense finishes with testimony on Richardson’s character, mental disorder on Day 7

 

[Seattle1]

Just my thoughts...but I wonder if KR had not been called as a potential states witness if she would’ve shown up at the courthouse at all?

The reason I say this is based on some recent things that I’ve read and I’m sorry that I don’t have a link so it’s only just my opinion. But I get the feeling that BSR and KR are not nearly as close as they once were. I’ve believe that KR is rarely seen around the family home much anymore while BSR is seen and goes out for dinner often with her dad.

I’d imagine it would be extremely hard to go anywhere in a small town like Carlisle, feeling that people were always staring and whispering about you. Maybe she’s just become reclusive which in the same situation I would probably be the same way.

JMHO

Angenette Levy‏Verified account @Angenette5
Jackson says mom cries a lot and is paranoid people are watching. Only seen dad cry twice. This has been hard. I just wish we could have a normal life now. It’s been going on two years. It seems like it’s not going to end” @Local12 #SkylarRichardson

8:47 AM - 11 Sep 2019 pst

Interesting.

If KR paranoid as brother testified, makes sense she's seldom seen.

I also wonder how much influence KR had on the defense team.

This case has lingered in the small town in part because of defense delays.

Trial was set to start last fall, and defense appealed (and lost) keeping Hill Top OB-GYN doctors from testifying, and then tried to get Supreme Court to intervene.

Defense was still asking for Supreme Court hearing as late as March 2019 -- but they still refused. Then it was motion for change of venue....

Understandably, this would be a huge financial burden on the family. KR must be seething about the sacrifices she never asked for!

I recall dad had new employer-- after more than 20 years with former, but don't remember if this occurred after 5/7/17 or not.

If BSR didn't change a thing about her life except take her live (or stillborn) infant to FD/PD under Safe Haven rules, she would not be on trial, and the Richardson's untouched.

MOO

 

[Spellbound]

Under ohio law she is guilty of aggravated murder

Maybe, maybe not.

Google search=
In the state of Ohio, aggravated murder can be defined as: An intentional, preplanned, and premeditated act that is designed to cause the death of another person, or the termination of another person's pregnancy

Did she pre-plan? I don’t think we have had any evidence of that.

Did she intentionally cause the baby to die? Perhaps, but I do not see enough evidence to support that.

Premeditated? I don’t think she thought ahead of whatever the current day was. She felt she had enough time to decide what to do, how to handle telling parents, etc

A guilty verdict has to come by way of enough supporting evidence or facts, not just from a gut feeling or desire on the part of jurors.

 

[fred&edna]

Now, you have me wondering how often stillborn babies are taken to safe havens??

ETA:. Wouldn't that increase possible investigation to locate the birth mother??

Angenette Levy‏Verified account @Angenette5
Jackson says mom cries a lot and is paranoid people are watching. Only seen dad cry twice. This has been hard. I just wish we could have a normal life now. It’s been going on two years. It seems like it’s not going to end” @Local12 #SkylarRichardson

8:47 AM - 11 Sep 2019 pst

Interesting.

If KR paranoid as brother testified, makes sense she's seldom seen.

I also wonder how much influence KR had on the defense team.

This case has lingered in the small town in part because of defense delays.

Trial was set to start last fall, and defense appealed (and lost) keeping Hill Top OB-GYN doctors from testifying, and then tried to get Supreme Court to intervene.

Defense was still asking for Supreme Court hearing as late as March 2019 -- but they still refused. Then it was motion for change of venue....

Understandably, this would be a huge financial burden on the family. KR must be seething about the sacrifices she never asked for!

I recall dad had new employer-- after more than 20 years with former, but don't remember if this occurred after 5/7/17 or not.

If BSR didn't change a thing about her life except take her live or stillborn infant to FD/PD under Safe Haven rules, she would not be on trial, and the Richardson's untouched.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Kraft said just because Richardson has a dependent personality disorder doesn’t mean she didn’t kill her baby.

“It doesn’t mean she did,” Bassman said.
Brooke Richardson trial: Defense rests after Day 7

 

[Weki]

I've been lurking in this thread since this trial started. Finally decided to create an account and jump in. So Hi!

This thread offers more insightful commentary than the talking heads over at CourtTV and Law and Crime. So big props to all of you in here. Really engaging discussion.

Anyway, now that all the evidence is in, I feel like state is standing on much stronger ground than when they started. The cross exam of the two expert defense witnesses by Kraft were a knock out imo. The way she brought up nanoticide especially today was DEFT! I think the psych expert's assessment about BSR is not far off - I just don't agree with his claim that she was coerced or influenced into giving false statements in that interview. I agree that lighting the baby on fire doesn't make sense - but I'm not going to discard all the other admissions she made just because of that one "admission." I think some folks and the defense want to bank on the jury throwing out her confession in its entirety based on that one "extreme" statement. Jury will be instructed that they can choose what to believe and what not to believe. They're not required to throw out a whole confession because of a couple nonsensical statements.

I think both interviews are damaging to the defense and they know it, hence why we spent most of today with useless "character witnesses."

that Skylar's pathological submission to authority stemmed from her enmeshed relationship with Kim, which would make it more likely she would have done anything to stay Kim's wrath, including killing her baby.

<------ This is an excellent analysis! I think even though defense, wisely, didn't want the jury to get the FULL assessment, the jury will put 2 and 2 together. Because the texts between Skylar and her mother make clear to me that Kim knew her daughter was pregnant and tacitly encouraged Skylar's subsequent actions.

 

[Jewels53]

Lots of defendants have mental illnesses and are still found guilty of murder and other charges. Even Jodi Arias was found guilty having a mental illness and some thought she was attractive.

I don't think mental illness should be an excuse to get out of murder. If you know right from wrong. Look at the Slendarman case. Or looking like a meek child defendant, Evan though she is 18 and an adult.

jmo imo moo

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[fred&edna]

Welcome to Websleuths, Weki! Glad you decided to join us and share your thoughts!

I've been lurking in this thread since this trial started. Finally decided to create an account and jump in. So Hi!

This thread offers more insightful commentary than the talking heads over at CourtTV and Law and Crime. So big props to all of you in here. Really engaging discussion.

Anyway, now that all the evidence is in, I feel like state is standing on much stronger ground than when they started. The cross exam of the two expert defense witnesses by Kraft were a knock out imo. The way she brought up nanoticide especially today was DEFT! I think the psych expert's assessment about BSR is not far off - I just don't agree with his claim that she was coerced or influenced into giving false statements in that interview. I agree that lighting the baby on fire doesn't make sense - but I'm not going to discard all the other admissions she made just because of that one "admission." I think some folks and the defense want to bank on the jury throwing out her confession in its entirety based on that one "extreme" statement. Jury will be instructed that they can choose what to believe and what not to believe. They're not required to throw out a whole confession because of a couple nonsensical statements.

I think both interviews are damaging to the defense and they know it, hence why we spent most of today with useless "character witnesses."

<------ This is an excellent analysis! I think even though defense, wisely, didn't want the jury to get the FULL assessment, the jury will put 2 and 2 together. Because the texts between Skylar and her mother make clear to me that Kim knew her daughter was pregnant and tacitly encouraged Skylar's subsequent actions.

 

[Jewels53]

I've been lurking in this thread since this trial started. Finally decided to create an account and jump in. So Hi!

This thread offers more insightful commentary than the talking heads over at CourtTV and Law and Crime. So big props to all of you in here. Really engaging discussion.

Anyway, now that all the evidence is in, I feel like state is standing on much stronger ground than when they started. The cross exam of the two expert defense witnesses by Kraft were a knock out imo. The way she brought up nanoticide especially today was DEFT! I think the psych expert's assessment about BSR is not far off - I just don't agree with his claim that she was coerced or influenced into giving false statements in that interview. I agree that lighting the baby on fire doesn't make sense - but I'm not going to discard all the other admissions she made just because of that one "admission." I think some folks and the defense want to bank on the jury throwing out her confession in its entirety based on that one "extreme" statement. Jury will be instructed that they can choose what to believe and what not to believe. They're not required to throw out a whole confession because of a couple nonsensical statements.

I think both interviews are damaging to the defense and they know it, hence why we spent most of today with useless "character witnesses."

<------ This is an excellent analysis! I think even though defense, wisely, didn't want the jury to get the FULL assessment, the jury will put 2 and 2 together. Because the texts between Skylar and her mother make clear to me that Kim knew her daughter was pregnant and tacitly encouraged Skylar's subsequent actions.

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