Gun Control Debate #4

[flourish]

I apologize, I have obviously misunderstood your post.

Nothing to apologise for there

 

[Jennifer17]

Just wrapped up our chat. I'm trying to figure out how best to do this. I think I'm going to transcribe it b/c he put some personal stuff in. I did ask for his permission to share our conversation, but, will not share identifiable info, (on either of us), and he's cool with that. Thoughts?

We have a couple of veterans participating in this thread, or were you after the opinion of a Vietnam vet?

 

[rsd1200]

The National Crime Information Center, or NCIC, was launched on January 27, 1967 with five files and 356,784 records. By the end of 2015, NCIC contained 12 million active records in 21 files. During 2015, NCIC averaged 12.6 million transactions per day.

That's a lot of records.

Does the NCIC need more staff? Does it need to turn records around faster? Make it a No Buy, until your background check clears?

• Article File: Records on stolen articles and lost public safety, homeland security, and critical infrastructure identification.
• Gun File: Records on stolen, lost, and recovered weapons and weapons used in the commission of crimes that are designated to expel a projectile by air, carbon dioxide, or explosive action.
• Boat File: Records on stolen boats.
• Securities File: Records on serially numbered stolen, embezzled, used for ransom, or counterfeit securities.
• Vehicle File: Records on stolen vehicles, vehicles involved in the commission of crimes, or vehicles that may be seized based on federally issued court order.
• Vehicle and Boat Parts File: Records on serially numbered stolen vehicle or boat parts.
• License Plate File: Records on stolen license plates.
• Missing Persons File: Records on individuals, including children, who have been reported missing to law enforcement and there is a reasonable concern for their safety.
• Foreign Fugitive File: Records on persons wanted by another country for a crime that would be a felony if it were committed in the United States.
• Identity Theft File: Records containing descriptive and other information that law enforcement personnel can use to determine if an individual is a victim of identity theft of if the individual might be using a false identity.
• Immigration Violator File: Records on criminal aliens whom immigration authorities have deported and aliens with outstanding administrative warrants of removal.
• Protection Order File: Records on individuals against whom protection orders have been issued.
• Supervised Release File: Records on individuals on probation, parole, or supervised release or released on their own recognizance or during pre-trial sentencing.
• Unidentified Persons File: Records on unidentified deceased persons, living persons who are unable to verify their identities, unidentified victims of catastrophes, and recovered body parts. The file cross-references unidentified bodies against records in the Missing Persons File.
• Protective Interest: Records on individuals who might pose a threat to the physical safety of protectees or their immediate families. Expands on the the U.S. Secret Service Protective File, originally created in 1983.
• Gang File: Records on violent gangs and their members.
• Known or Appropriately Suspected Terrorist File: Records on known or appropriately suspected terrorists in accordance with HSPD-6.
• Wanted Persons File: Records on individuals (including juveniles who will be tried as adults) for whom a federal warrant or a felony or misdemeanor warrant is outstanding.
• National Sex Offender Registry File: Records on individuals who are required to register in a jurisdiction’s sex offender registry.
• National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Denied Transaction File: Records on individuals who have been determined to be “prohibited persons” according to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and were denied as a result of a NICS background check. (As of August 2012, records include last six months of denied transactions; in the future, records will include all denials.)
• Violent Person File: Once fully populated with data from our users, this file will contain records of persons with a violent criminal history and persons who have previously threatened law enforcement.

https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ncic

 

[human]

I marched in the protests. My hubby’s best friend died in Vietnam. A superb athlete.

My best friend’s ex husband was friend’s with my husband. He enlisted. He told everyone of his friends to not enlist. He said it was hell.

He is 71 years old and just a couple of years ago finally got treatment for PTSD.

He did talk about when he came back that he had shot into a room and killed and when he saw whom he killed it was a child.

This was my era,

If you want to see it, google the youtube of Paint it Black by the Rolling Stones. Or maybe I will post it on here.

With all of the trauma. All of the people who knew how to,use weapons, no one was mass shooting anyone, were they?

 

[rsd1200]

 

[human]

Here itbis. Paint it Black. We sent 17, 18 year old kids to this. This is one of the most profound life changing things I have seen.

But then again, I taught Vietnamese and Hmong children.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x178lfy

 

[Jennifer17]

Here is a vid from an Australian draftees perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urtiyp-G6jY

'I was only nineteen'

 

[rsd1200]

We have a couple of veterans participating in this thread, or were you after the opinion of a Vietnam vet?

See Posts 882, 883,888 & 895 between EuTu and I, for the entire context. Thanks.

 

[Jennifer17]

Here itbis. Paint it Black. We sent 17, 18 year old kids to this. This is one of the most profound life changing things I have seen.

But then again, I taught Vietnamese and Hmong children.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x178lfy

I lived and worked in an Asian country for years and often travelled to Laos. There are still young amputees there who have stepped on landmines or come across unexploded bombs when preparing fields for cultivation. Laos was not in the war, but was bombed and mined incessantly in those years.

 

[human]

Here is a vid from an Australian draftees perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urtiyp-G6jY

'I was only nineteen'

I never knew Australia was there. Thanks for that, Tears.

 

[human]

I lived and worked in an Asian country for years and often travelled to Laos. There are still young amputees there who have stepped on landmines or come across unexploded bombs when preparing fields for cultivation. Laos was not in the war, but was bombed and mined incessantly in those years.

I have a lot to say on this but I cannot in here, Let me simply say we need to deal with toxic masculinity.

That should help with gun culture. I don’t know why women buy imto gun culture.

 

[Jennifer17]

I have a lot to say on this but I cannot in here, Let me simply say we need to deal with toxic masculinity.

That should help with gun culture. I don’t know why women buy imto gun culture.

BBM. Nor do I, seeing that quite often they are on the receiving end of it.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I have a lot to say on this but I cannot in here, Let me simply say we need to deal with toxic masculinity.

That should help with gun culture. I don’t know why women buy imto gun culture.

A lot of women own guns for self defense, hunting, target shooting, etc. I'm not sure if that's what you're calling buying into gun culture. But certainly they are just as capable of owning and using firearms. It's also a right that all law abiding American citizens have. That's enough. IMO

 

[Jennifer17]

A lot of women own guns for self defense, hunting, target shooting, etc. I'm not sure if that's what you're calling buying into gun culture. But certainly they are just as capable of owning and using firearms. It's also a right that all law abiding American citizens have. That's enough. IMO

https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/domestic-violence-statistics_n_5959776

Those guns that they own for self defense often end up killing them and sometimes their children. Women are far more likely to be killed by an intimate partner than the stranger that she thought that she had to protect herself from.

 

[flourish]

The NRA and Dana Loesch preach female empowerment — yet constantly attack women

Perhaps the most cynical element of this charade, however, is that that research shows owning a gun for women in particular does not make them safer; it often makes them*less*safe. Indeed, female crime victims used guns to defend themselves*just 0.4 percent of the time, according to the National Crime Victimization Survey. This has not stopped the NRA*from aggressively marketing guns*to women and girls, of course.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...erment-yet-constantly-attack-women-ncna855916

 

[human]

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/cultu...shootings-male-entitlement-toxic-masculinity/

We live in a culture that worships men with guns. You can probably think of many off the top of your head—John Wayne, Indiana Jones or James Bond come immediately to mind. They’re all men who get what they want. Women are all eager to have sex with them. They have the respect of their peers and their communities.

Most of the men who commit mass shootings were not those widely admired men. They were men who felt they were owed something, and that the world was not providing what they were owed.

In many of these mass shootings, the desire to kill seems to be driven by a catastrophic sense of male entitlement. In some cases, the perpetrators seemed to feel that if people did not give them precisely what they wanted, then those people did not deserve to live. The only just world, in their minds, was a world they were the center of.

 

[flourish]

Overcompensation Nation: It’s time to admit that toxic masculinity drives gun violence

https://www.salon.com/2016/06/13/ov...t_that_toxic_masculinity_drives_gun_violence/

 

[rsd1200]

A lot of women own guns for self defense, hunting, target shooting, etc. I'm not sure if that's what you're calling buying into gun culture. But certainly they are just as capable of owning and using firearms. It's also a right that all law abiding American citizens have. That's enough. IMO

Agree. I'm not going to just sit there and let someone break in and murder me. I got my first firearm at age 19, I have also packed a knife as well, but I've never been accused "buying" into the knife culture. I'm not a felon, I've never been arrested, I'm a productive member of society, and WE kept our firearms out of the hands of our children. If folks are going to denigrate the firearm owners, in this forum, and even drill it down to women, specifically, then they are losing valuable insight into the discussion in this forum. I think it has just become quite clear that firearm owner's opinions are of no value to this group to be quite honest.

ETA: FWIW, I've never worshiped any man in my life. I got along without one before I got this one, and I can do so again. He's here only because he's my best friend.

 

[human]

Overcompensation Nation: It’s time to admit that toxic masculinity drives gun violence

https://www.salon.com/2016/06/13/ov...t_that_toxic_masculinity_drives_gun_violence/

This is an excellent article and explains it perfectly.

 

[flourish]

Why Women Own Guns

https://www.gq.com/story/why-women-own-guns