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Farrakhan, the Women’s March and the Walkout

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/farrakhan-the-womens-march-and-the-walkout-1521048993

It’s perhaps unreasonable to expect the children who are missing class to be aware of all the people with whom they are associating. But their parents should exercise some care.

Next time, perhaps more parents will read up on an organization before enlisting their children in its media events. Many would likely decide not to get anywhere near a group connected to Mr. Farrakhan

Again, publicising something is not organising it.
 
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Farrakhan, the Women’s March and the Walkout

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/farrakhan-the-womens-march-and-the-walkout-1521048993

It’s perhaps unreasonable to expect the children who are missing class to be aware of all the people with whom they are associating. But their parents should exercise some care.

Next time, perhaps more parents will read up on an organization before enlisting their children in its media events. Many would likely decide not to get anywhere near a group connected to Mr. Farrakhan

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/05/488802494/former-kkk-leader-david-duke-says-of-course-trump-voters-are-his-voters

And he reiterated his own support for Trump, saying he's "100 percent behind" the Republican presidential candidate's agenda.

"As a United States senator, nobody will be more supportive of his legislative agenda, his Supreme Court agenda, than I will," Duke said.

hmm, and you'll admit Trumps agenda is the same as Dukes and his base should do the same? Right?
 
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Timeline Vietnam

https://coldwarstudies.com/2016/02/01/vietnam-war-and-protest-movement-timeline/


In 1971, the People Didn’t Just March on Washington — They Shut It Down

The most influential large-scale political action of the ’60s was actually in 1971, and you’ve never heard of it. It was called the Mayday action, and it provides invaluable lessons for today.


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So, in my high school years... 70-74. There was an uprising...

IMO... Because you can't ignore a genuine protest?

I had lunch with my dad recently and we were remembering "those times" when I was a freshman in high school. He said then, if you get arrested for protesting, you are in double trouble!!

For my early 70's HS years, it was intense after the invasion of Cambodia.

I attended a great public high school on the east coast near and around the epicenter of the college protests at the time... Looking back, I really have to hand it to the school administrators... Near the heartbeat. Colleges and high schools, they let it roll. There was no punishment. And the protests were massive.

My friends at private school were much more constrained during those years. Maybe that's the difference. They felt no different about the issues but were stuck out in the bucolic burbs with no transportation.

I just want to remind people that 7k peeps got arrested in 1971. And even more after that.

Now like then, this walkout, this memorial, this stand, today brought tears because the issue is real and authentic.

But for today, this is not a protest, it is a memorial. Kids of all ages are affected.

It is political!!! Unlike the memorial today, the march for our lives on March 24, 2018 is political. Why? --guess we'll find out...
 
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She is publicising it, not organising it. The NRA's response to the protest was to post a pic on twitter of an AR15.

I'll take the AR 15 over Sharia law any day.
 
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“Nope. You can get 100% the .... out of my face with this Bull....

( posted by Meghan Burns)

You do not get to try to reclaim a movement run by children that they shouldn’t have had to organzine in the first place. That was our job and we ....... failed them.

You don’t like how they are protesting being shot? And your solution is make friends with someone who literally frightened professionals?!?! Many of these shooters didn’t need friends, they needed profound psychological intervention.

You do not get to imply that school shootings would be obsolete if only ANOTHER CHILD was nicer to a shooter. You do not get to victim blame survivors asking them if they could have just done more.

YOU WILL NOT BLAME A CHILD FOR BEING SHOT.

You do not get to tell front line soldiers how to better wage their battles from the safety of your seat in the back.

Your child does not owe someone a friendship based on FEAR.

Again — your child does NOT owe someone a friendship based on FEAR.

Should we strive for inclusion? DUH! But some of these friends are terrifying. We want to assign mental health care to a middle or high school student?

As an adult, if you want to befriend a lonely student—Awesome. Volunteer. Call a local school and ask how you can be a mentor. Call a local after school program and volunteer your time. Call a homeless shelter ask how you can serve this at-risk population.

But if you’re not front line battling back against violence in schools with these kids, kindly keep your sanctimonious empty “walk up” propaganda to yourself and support your kids’ first amendment right to politely ask that they stop getting shot.

You don’t have to like this movement. Because this is no longer about you. It’s about them and they are handling this .... because we couldn’t or wouldn’t.” - Meghan Burns

Also, love to Peachy Birth (why won't it let me tag?? I'll try and link in the comments) for having the presence of mind to copy the entire thing because it was important to say.
 
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100-percent agree. It’s never a good reason to punt an education, imo. [emoji432] [emoji433] [emoji851] ❤️

Agreed, education is what it is, and life is also a good teacher. But no parent should have to send their child to school and risk their child being murdered.
 
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Agreed, education is what it is, and life is also a good teacher. But no parent should have to send their child to school and risk their child being murdered.

Who needs an education when you can be a coal miner
 
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Again, publicising something is not organising it.

Women's March Youth Empower did the organizing - so that's the same people associated with Women's March
 
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OK, how many school shootings in Australia have you heard of? You must know that we have violent types too and bullied kids and mental illness. Why don't they find the will or the means to shoot up schools?

I don't think we can compare a country of some 30 odd million people, (Aus.) to a country of 320 or so million people,(U.S.A.). Different cultures and histories as well.
 
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I'll take the AR 15 over Sharia law any day.

What is Sharia law? How is it different than posting in God We Trust in schools, for instance? Or that men are in charge? You know. Like in the US?
 
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I'll take the AR 15 over Sharia law any day.

Do you really equate sensible gun laws with Sharia law? How many people have you heard, personally calling for Sharia law?
 
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Who needs an education when you can be a coal miner

People that work in the Mining industry earn big incomes as a matter of fact.
 
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Do you really equate sensible gun laws with Sharia law? How many people have you heard, personally calling for Sharia law?

Truth apparently doesnt need to include facts
 
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I don't think we can compare a country of some 30 odd million people, (Aus.) to a country of 320 or so million people,(U.S.A.). Different cultures and histories as well.

Not so different histories and our citizens are mostly from the same gene pool.
 
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People that work in the Mining industry earn big incomes as a matter of fact.

whats left of them, and what wont be when the kids who dont get an education grow up and struggle
 
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