Gun Control Debate #5

[Blef]

Okay, well I admit I'm unfamiliar with how Twitter works. But either way I personally don't understand why some people are offended simply by a photo of a gun.

It's not just the photo of the gun that is distasteful, it's the time it was put out, to coincide with the walk outs. It's the "we can control our guns, thank you" when it's blatantly obvious that this is just not true. It's the fact that the NRA pretends to care about the Constitution, while slamming others for asserting their 1st amendment rights. The NRA are nothing but a money making organisation with far too much political clout.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

At A Troubled School In The Bronx, The Student Walkout Was A Miss

Vulnerable students don't always have the privilege to protest.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...x-school-violence_us_5aa9704ee4b0004c0406b8ea

Thank you for sharing this link, flourish ❤️

 

[bluesneakers]

They are very preventable. Lightening is not the same as there is no person behind it.

But we seem to be treating them the same way, as if we're as incapable of preventing mass shootings as we are of preventing lightning.

 

[rosemadderlake]

I'm not sure people realize it, but sometimes news stories are written about tweets and end up at the top of Google pages, on the TV news, Facebook, etc.

There are ways to see a tweet without following! I don't even have a Twitter account.

Yes...

And that is what separates generations... IMO...

Even in this "you're fired" by tweet generation. (Sadly)

I never see a tweet as valid. It has to have a two source back up and way more information before I believe it.

And it's why I only trust news sources, those who abide by those investigative guidelines.

The other piece that astounds me is peeps who don't know the difference between investigative and opinion...

Social media should never be the source for real news... IMO.

 

[flourish]

But we seem to be treating them the same way, as if we're as incapable of preventing mass shootings as we are of preventing lightning.

Until more people choose to think outside themselves it feels like it is unavoidable.

"Why do I pay taxes to schools when I don't have kids?"

"Why do I pay taxes to help the less fortunate? I'm fortunate."

"I refuse to see outside my little bubble and nothing will ever touch ME in here!"

 

[Blef]

That number is inaccurate. It includes shootings that most reasonable people would not consider to be a "mass school shooting." I think the true number is closer to 3.

Really? What do you consider a mass shooting?

Not that that really matters because according to the Investigative Assistance for violent crimes act of 2012 it is an incident that involves 3 or more victims excluding the shooter.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr2076/text

All the incidents on the Gun Violence Archive data set from the link above fit that criteria.

 

[Jennifer17]

But we seem to be treating them the same way, as if we're as incapable of preventing mass shootings as we are of preventing lightning.

Obesity kills more people too, but we don't encourage people to eat more sugar and more fat.

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes...

And that is what separates generations... IMO...

Even in this "you're fired" by tweet generation. (Sadly)

I never see a tweet as valid. It has to have a two source back up and way more information before I believe it.

And it's why I only trust news sources, those who abide by those investigative guidelines.

The other piece that astounds me is peeps who don't know the difference between investigative and opinion...

Social media should never be the source for real news... IMO.

It came from the NRA's verified account. It is not fake news.

 

[Jennifer17]

Yes...

And that is what separates generations... IMO...

Even in this "you're fired" by tweet generation. (Sadly)

I never see a tweet as valid. It has to have a two source back up and way more information before I believe it.

And it's why I only trust news sources, those who abide by those investigative guidelines.

The other piece that astounds me is peeps who don't know the difference between investigative and opinion...

Social media should never be the source for real news... IMO.

People of all generations use Twitter, some for very important things.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I don't visit this thread often,but am really disappointed to see so much hate and anger here directed towards the kids who walked out in protest yesterday. Disgraceful.

None of us can imagine how difficult it is to be a student today attending school in fear, in a locked down environment. It must be terrifying for them. They have every right to express their opinions. What's the harm and danger in walking out of school for an hour or two to gather in silent prayer and protest?

My friends, siblings and I did it a couple of times in high school to protest the Vietnam War. We missed a couple of hours of school and still graduated with honors, got college degrees. We all turned out ok. These kids will be fine. Please leave them alone if you can't say something constructive. TIA

Thank you, Betty, for your insight and input. I agree with you 100 percent.

If we continue yelling at each other, nobody listens, imo. Most of us share so many commonalities in this debate but instead focus on picking apart each other’s differences.

It’s nihilistic. It just pisses everyone off. IMO.

 

[Footwarrior]

Mass shootings at schools are actually extremely uncommon here in the United States. A person probably has a higher chance of being killed by lightning.

Lightning is responsible for about 50 deaths a year in the United States. Mass shootings at schools my cause fewer deaths, but result in a lot more cases of PTSD. The kids who didn't die at Parkland saw or heard the gunfire as their classmates where slaughtered. The gun lobby doesn't cares if that happens to a thousand kids or more. They didn't care about the 20,000 who had to run for their lives in Las Vegas as fellow concert goers were dropping like files. They only care about the people who need easy access to exciting firearms. The guys who buy an AR-15, a bunch of magazines and a bump stock for the thrill of it all. Blowing a few hundred dollars in ammunition in about an hour at the range.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I ❤️ you, Rose. Keep talking. I’m listening.

Lololol!!! Ain't that the truth... I might be the first in line for that!!

Ok, today is like living in a future time warp...

My generation of peeps had no idea of the scope of a resistance until the Sunday paper came out reporting on it in depth. You know?

So I apologize to all for my impatience. I know, when I'm bad, I'm really bad...

In a way that's still true because to protest or not on school time is about much more than school...

Why? McGovern vs Nixon 1972. Slam dunk for the conservatives.

So, while I bask in the memory of my ground breaking east coast rebel society back then, my generation also had a wake up call. (Take watergate off the table)

Since then, I learned what conservatism meant. It's about a whole lot more than a revolution or a resistance to it.

Since then, (can't believe I'm saying this) I understand why...

There is bedrock. History. Generations of strife. But it all ignites from the same place. Like Mother Earth...

So while this generation experiences a rebel spirit instantly on a global scale, its depth does not travel at the same speed. Imo

This generation of kids, while a powerful spirit, will find out the checks and balances the same way my generation did... Ahhhh, older rebel spirit age... By 1968 we mourned the assassinations. It was soul crushing.

. . By the 1980s we mourned the death of a giant voice for peace in John Lennon, and after that Reagan was shot, the courage of the Brady Bill. No one was safe.

Has it changed?

If I am in trouble with mum, it is with good reason.

Then like now, "this ain't no party, this ain't no disco".

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Where else are there regular school shootings?

 

[Tricia]

Mass shootings at schools are actually extremely uncommon here in the United States. A person probably has a higher chance of being killed by lightning.

I think I have heard something like that bobcat, however, can you please provide a source link to back up your statement?

Thanks,
Tricia

 

[rosemadderlake]

But we seem to be treating them the same way, as if we're as incapable of preventing mass shootings as we are of preventing lightning.

Just jumping on your and flourishe's post blue.

Preventable.

If it were preventable? We would have found a way by now? .. IMO.

That throws the burden of a very simplistic theology to a very complex human problem.

It's not the gun owners problem. It's our problem. And to throw gun owners into one basket solves nothing.

When we merge, when we bipartisan, when we acknowledge and respect all sides, even the criminals, then we might have a convo...

And change... it is a verb. Action is a verb.

"Make or become different"

But how? What? Why? Where? When?

 

[Jennifer17]

Just jumping on your and flourishe's post blue.

Preventable.

If it were preventable? We would have found a way by now? .. IMO.

That throws the burden of a very simplistic theology to a very complex human problem.

It's not the gun owners problem. It's our problem. And to throw gun owners into one basket solves nothing.

When we merge, when we bipartisan, when we acknowledge and respect all sides, even the criminals, then we might have a convo...

And change... it is a verb. Action is a verb.

"Make or become different"

But how? What? Why? Where? When?

There does not seem to be much interest in making it preventable by gun owners.BBM

 

[rosemadderlake]

I ❤️ you, Rose. Keep talking. I’m listening.

Thank you Et Tu... Xoxo

I'm pushing back on myself.
Hope others get that too.

 

[bluesneakers]

There does not seem to be much interest in making it preventable by gun owners.BBM

There's a difference between (some) gun owners and the NRA. There are gun owners who support background checks and the assault weapons ban, etc., but they are drowned out by the NRA and extremists.

 

[rosemadderlake]

There does not seem to be much interest in making it preventable by gun owners.BBM

I absolutely disagree, and it is a dishonor to conflate the issues that we as a country are facing. IMO.

 

[Jennifer17]

I absolutely disagree, and it is a dishonor to conflate the issues that we as a country are facing. IMO.

Then where are the solutions that they are putting forward that does not involve more firearms?