Gun Control Debate #5

[rosemadderlake]

I care, and I care about using the image to taunt victims of gun violence.

I don't know how it's not considered a threat when they hold rallies and fetishize their guns in the wake of mass shootings.

I totally agree. If I had a child today?

But guess what else society fetishizes? Don't make me list it.

And that's my point.

 

[human]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/...the-left-who-wants-to-be-liberal-anymore.html

When it comes to diagnosing liberalism, both left and right focus on this same set of debilitating traits: arrogance, hypocrisy, pusillanimity, the insulated superiority of what, in 1969, a New York mayoral candidate called the ‘‘limousine liberal.’’ In other words, the features they use to distinguish liberals aren’t policies so much as attitudes. The profane hosts of the popular podcast ‘‘Chapo Trap House,’’ prime originators of the left’s liberal-bashing, spend a good deal of airtime making fun of liberal cultural life, with one common target being fervor for the musical ‘‘Hamilton.’’ ‘‘Nothing has represented them more: a hagiographical musical where they can pretend to be intersectional and pretend to be multicultural,’’ said Felix Biederman, a co-host, on the second episode of the show. ‘‘They have no policy. They’re all cultural signifiers.’’

To be a ‘‘liberal,’’ in this account, is in some sense to be a fake. It’s to shroud an ambiguous, even reactionary agenda under a superficial commitment to social justice and moderate, incremental change. American liberalism was once associated with something far more robust, with immoderate presidents and spectacular waves of legislation like Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal and Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society. Today’s liberals stand accused of forsaking the clarity and ambition of even that flawed legacy. To call someone a liberal now, in other words, is often to denounce him or her as having abandoned liberalism.

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IMO- these kids today will have a lot to unpack...

Heard it all before when Clinton was Pres. That is when liberalism moved right. Liberal was made a dirty word,

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes, context is needed because the message here is a little unclear. /s

https://twitter.com/NRA/status/973944596563746816

 

[flourish]

I totally agree. If I had a child today?

But guess what else society fetishizes? Don't make me list it.

And that's my point.

Are the items on the list we're not asking you to make as deadly?

 

[bluesneakers]

I totally agree. If I had a child today?

But guess what else society fetishizes? Don't make me list it.

And that's my point.

This is a thread about gun control. If you have a comparison that applies to this debate, by all means post it.

 

[flourish]

If they did control their guns then, arguably, this wouldn't have happened.

 

[bluesneakers]

Are the items on the list we're not asking you to make as deadly?

Good question. I assumed it would be one kind of list but maybe it's other kinds of murder weapons.

 

[Jennifer17]

I have no idea what tweet you are referring to. But those kids were murdered by a deranged young man that had for years demonstrated his violent tendencies and was well known to law enforcement. We need to focus on the reasons why killers become who they are, why they become obsessed with violence and killing. Focusing on the firearm he happened to use is pointless and only distracts from the real issue. As a father who loves his children more than anything, I think its more loving to try to address the actual cause of these tragedies, not the tool used.

I cannot agree with that. Every country in the world has these disaffected and violent young men.

 

[bluesneakers]

If they did control their guns then, arguably, this wouldn't have happened.

:winner:

 

[rosemadderlake]

This is about as big of a non-issue as I can think of. If people are offended by firearms, why are they following NRA on Twitter? People are looking for things to be offended by. Would it have been as offensive if the NRA had tweeted a photo of a shotgun?

Bbm: So totally agree with this... ^^

And what backlash if you don't "follow"?

I'm more concerned with free thought than I ever was about guns.

Ask my liberal friends?

Your guns or your thoughts...

 

[Blef]

I actually cannot believe that some people have suggested that the children who participated in the walk out are not able to think for themselves or should not have political beliefs. For a start the majority of these children are either a couple of years away from being able to vote, and some already can. So I think it's awesome that they have a political viewpoint, it is never too early to teach children about society and social responsibility. Secondly, young people have changed so many things in this world that simply saying that they shouldn't protest is just laughable. Do you think any human rights would have changed without young people dissenting to the ongoing culture and saying things need to change? The civil rights movement had children protesting, and gun control is just as big an issue. The lack of gun control is killing so many people it cannot be ignored. Yes, there are other issues, such as mental health issues, poverty etc, but the fact that someone can get access so easily to guns that are either sold to them without a care, or their parents buy them, and then don't store them safely is the biggest factor. Without the guns there are no mass shootings. FACT! I have said all along I am for gun control, not gun prohibition. Surely new legislation that means that guns are not as easily available for all and sundry who wants to pick one up, shouldn't affect responsible guns owners.

Also, you'd be surprised how independently children can think. The majority of these kids don't want to go to school scared, and yet some detractors are happy to put their fingers in their ears and say "lalala just kids, their views don't matter". Kids want to get an education, without having to worry about ANY guns in their schools.
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[bluesneakers]

I cannot agree with that. Every country in the world has these disaffected and violent young men.

True. And why is it impossible to focus on both the gun and the reasons why it was used? I've seen this argument before, as if there's only one component to the mass shooting problem or we are incapable of addressing more that one issue at a time.

 

[Blef]

Bbm: So totally agree with this... ^^

And what backlash if you don't "follow"?

I'm more concerned with free thought than I ever was about guns.

Ask my liberal friends?

Your guns or your thoughts...

I don't follow the NRA, but I do read the news.

 

[flourish]

I'm not sure people realize it, but sometimes news stories are written about tweets and end up at the top of Google pages, on the TV news, Facebook, etc.

There are ways to see a tweet without following! I don't even have a Twitter account.

 

[Blef]

Yes, context is needed because the message here is a little unclear. /s

https://twitter.com/NRA/status/973944596563746816

Shame that so many of them can't. How many mass shooters have taken the guns and ammo from their parents.

 

[flourish]

Shame that so many of them can't. How many mass shooters have taken the guns and ammo from their parents.

Right?! All responsible gun owners are just that until they aren't.

 

[bluesneakers]

I'm not sure people realize it, but sometimes news stories are written about tweets and end up at the top of Google pages, on the TV news, Facebook, etc.

There are ways to see a tweet without following! I don't even have a Twitter account.

I don't follow DJT on twitter but it's impossible to avoid his tweets.

 

[flourish]

I don't follow DJT on twitter but it's impossible to avoid his tweets.

And I've tried!!

 

[bluesneakers]

Shame that so many of them can't. How many mass shooters have taken the guns and ammo from their parents.

For sure behind every toddler shooting there's a gun owner who has lost control of his or her gun.

 

[bobcat]

I'm not sure people realize it, but sometimes news stories are written about tweets and end up at the top of Google pages, on the TV news, Facebook, etc.

There are ways to see a tweet without following! I don't even have a Twitter account.

That may be true but it should be obvious that tweet was put out for supporters of the NRA, and not to offend those people who find guns offensive. It’s like eavesdropping on a private conversation and then being offended when you hear something said that you don’t agree with.