Gun Control Debate #5

[human]

I called it in one of my posts that children (18 close enough to being a child IMO) would be the next being asked to carry. The more guns the merrier (sarcasm)

Yes. Cruz had a fine time!

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Tell Women’s March Initiative Activists to “LEAVE OUR CHILDREN ALONE!”

https://canadafreepress.com/article...tiative-activists-to-leave-our-children-alone

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Gunman kills one, sparks lockdown at Southern California mall

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-lockdown-southern-california-mall/435698002/

A woman was killed and a man injured during a shooting Saturday at a Southern California mall, authorities say.

Police say they are investigating the shooting as a murder-attempted suicide.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Ohio Student Suspended for Refusing to Leave Classroom During Gun Control Walkout

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/1...ded-for-staying-in-class-during-walkouts.html

Jacob’s father, Scott Shoemaker, said his son was just trying to stay neutral – and did nothing wrong.

“Politics [doesn’t] belong in the school,” he said. “Students shouldn’t be pressured into taking a side.”


It sounds like he was punished for protesting in his own way by doing homework in his classroom.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Charlize Theron says teachers arming themselves is an 'outrageous' solution to gun violence

Theron, who grew up in with an alcoholic father, experienced the repercussions of gun violence at a young age. When she was just 15, the actress' father drunkenly attacked her mother, Gerda, and her mother fataly shot him in self-defense. No charges were filed against Gerda after the incident.

Sounds to me that Theron's mother did the right thing by defending herself. JMO.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...s-is-outrageous-solution-to-gun-violence.html

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

'This could've been me': Vigil remembers woman police say was killed by estranged husband

http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...arkham-murder-victim-vigil-st-0318-story.html

Police have said Lynn Washington, 40, shot and killed Roby about 1:35 a.m. Wednesday at the BP gas station at 167th Street and Pulaski Road. Authorities said Washington then took the couple’s two children, 2 and 3 years old, triggering an Amber Alert.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

One injured in shooting outside Beachwood Place, police say

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/03/one_injured_in_shooting_at_bea.html

[FONT=&amp]The shooting happened about 3 p.m. near Saks Fifth Avenue at Cedar and Richmond roads, Beachwood police Chief Gary Haba said.[/FONT][FONT=&amp]One person is in custody and preliminary indications show that the shooter and the victim knew each other. Police say as far as they know there is one victim.
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[FONT=&amp]There may have been a secondary incident that happened, but police are still investigating what happened[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Lakewood resident Laura Cowan had finished up shopping with her daughter and was walking through Saks Fifth Avenue to get to their car when an associate ran towards them yelling, "shooter, shooter, shooter."
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[EuTuCroquet?]

Full horror of Pulse nightclub attack laid bare in new footage of massacre that killed 49 people

WARNING - DISTRESSING CONTENT: Omar Matreen also wounded 58 in the terror attack in Orlando, Florida before being shot and killed

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/full-horror-pulse-nightclub-attack-12203438

As part of that trial new footage has been released of that deadly night in June.

In the footage Mateen can be seen entering the reception of the nightclub unarmed while revellers inside - there were as many as 320 in the club that night - enjoy themselves.

 

[bluesneakers]

Ohio Student Suspended for Refusing to Leave Classroom During Gun Control Walkout

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/1...ded-for-staying-in-class-during-walkouts.html

Jacob’s father, Scott Shoemaker, said his son was just trying to stay neutral – and did nothing wrong.

“Politics [doesn’t] belong in the school,” he said. “Students shouldn’t be pressured into taking a side.”


It sounds like he was punished for protesting in his own way by doing homework in his classroom.

It sounds like he was punished for not following the rules by staying in a classroom alone, but that headline is not nearly so glamourous.

He wasn't supposed to be unsupervised. Why didn't he go to study hall with all the other students who didn't participate in the walkout?

An Ohio high school student says he tried to remain nonpolitical during school walkouts over gun violence and was suspended for a day because he stayed in a classroom instead of joining protests or the alternative, a study hall.

Hilliard senior Jacob Shoemaker says school isn't the place for politics, and he wasn't taking sides Wednesday.

The district says it's responsible for students' safety and they can't be unsupervised.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-student-suspended-gun-protest-20180316-story.html

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

It sounds like he was punished for not following the rules by staying in a classroom alone, but that headline is not nearly so glamourous.

He wasn't supposed to be unsupervised. Why didn't he go to study hall with all the other students who didn't participate in the walkout?


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-student-suspended-gun-protest-20180316-story.html

He didn't want to choose sides so he stayed in the classroom.

 

[bluesneakers]

He didn't want to choose sides so he stayed in the classroom.

He was supposed to go to study hall with the other students. Students can't be left unsupervised in classrooms. This is a very common policy.

 

[bluesneakers]

A student was suspended after staying in class during walkouts. Here’s what actually happened.

Jacob Shoemaker, a senior at Hilliard Davidson High School in Hilliard, Ohio, was in fact suspended. But not because he chose not to join his classmates and the hundreds of thousands of students across the country who walked out of their classrooms to protest gun violence in the wake of a Florida school shooting that left 17 people dead. It was because he didn’t go to a designated area of the school where the non-protesters were supposed to be and instead stayed by himself in a classroom.

On Wednesday, Jacob Shoemaker sat in his classroom, by himself, for about an hour. A scribbled note on the suspension slip he was handed read: “Student refused to follow instructions after being warned repeatedly by several administrators. Student not permitted on property 24 hours.”

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

My High School Forbid Us From Joining The National School Walkout — Because Of Linda Sarsour

Two days ago, the administration of my Jewish high school persuaded many students not to participate in the national “Walkout” called for by the Women’s March to protest rampant gun violence because of the alleged anti-Semitism of certain leaders of the Women’s March. And we agreed.

As a Modern Orthodox Jewish high school, SAR is sensitive to left-wing anti-Israel sentiments, especially those espoused by Linda Sarsour, one of the Women’s March leaders that called for the nationwide walkout


Read more: https://forward.com/scribe/396411/m...oining-the-national-school-walkout-because-o/

 

[bluesneakers]

Jewish Day Schools Across The Country Join Walkouts Demanding Action On Gun Violence

Students at Jewish day schools offered prayers, lit candles and demanded change as part of a nationwide student walkout calling for gun reform in the wake of last month’s school shooting in Parkland, Florida.

At Golda Och Academy, a Conservative day school in West Orange, New Jersey, students organized a prayer memorial service ahead of the walkout. At the service, students and teachers spoke about the Parkland victims and lit a yahrzeit memorial candle.
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Afterwards, the overwhelming majority of students chose to participate in a walkout, where they carried signs, made speeches and sang songs.

The school was supportive of the students, said the head of the school, Adam Shapiro.

“From a school perspective we supported the desire of the students to carry out this program and make their powerful voices heard,” he told JTA in an email.

 

[Blef]

You know something? I’m not angry or upset that kids chose to walk out of school. I’m angry and sad that they feel so unsafe that they HAD to, to be heard!

 

[human]

I received a FB meme.

It says——

I am upset that people are disgusted by students walking out but not by students being carried out in body bags

 

[rsd1200]

He didn't want to choose sides so he stayed in the classroom.

Had the school not had a walk out, and he had decided to walk out, on his own, alone, w/o supervision, would he have been supported? Or suspended?

The fella below, was the only one to walk out, alone, unsupervised, at his school, and he didn't get into trouble. Some folks are apolitical, and that's their right too. I can see where the aforementioned kid, may have felt going to study hall was making a statement, and walking out, was making a statement, and he wanted to do neither.

When the 17 minutes were up, Justin went back inside, hoping he wouldn't get in trouble. He didn't -- and said someone from the school even congratulated him.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/14/us/student-walks-out-alone-trnd/index.html

 

[MaryG12]

My High School Forbid Us From Joining The National School Walkout — Because Of Linda Sarsour

Two days ago, the administration of my Jewish high school persuaded many students not to participate in the national “Walkout” called for by the Women’s March to protest rampant gun violence because of the alleged anti-Semitism of certain leaders of the Women’s March. And we agreed.

As a Modern Orthodox Jewish high school, SAR is sensitive to left-wing anti-Israel sentiments, especially those espoused by Linda Sarsour, one of the Women’s March leaders that called for the nationwide walkout


Read more: https://forward.com/scribe/396411/m...oining-the-national-school-walkout-because-o/

Totally understandable.

It's like job hunting, when one sends out their resume to a company they want to work for. It is extremely important to do one's homework on that company, learn everything about it. I suspect very few people did their homework on The Women's March and its agenda, even when that march too place last year IIRC. https://www.womensmarch.com/team/

Frankly, marches as such do not impress me.

What does impress me is this:

People who quietly go about their cause, write coherent letters to their Congressmen and Congresswomen, willing to put in limitless hours into their cause, to make an actual change. Or even petition for gun control, anyone can create an online petition and make real change with it.

And I am sure there is no small number of teens who have in fact already written such letters, fresh off their word processors, long before I am posting this.

Finally:

Teens who did not take part in that walkout should not be presumed to not care about gun control. Please see above statement.

 

[bluesneakers]

Had the school not had a walk out, and he had decided to walk out, on his own, alone, w/o supervision, would he have been supported? Or suspended?

The fella below, was the only one to walk out, alone, unsupervised, at his school, and he didn't get into trouble. Some folks are apolitical, and that's their right too. I can see where the aforementioned kid, may have felt going to study hall was making a statement, and walking out, was making a statement, and he wanted to do neither.



https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/14/us/student-walks-out-alone-trnd/index.html

And the consequence of thinking he was above the rules is that he got suspended for a day. He knew that was the price, just as many who walked out knew they'd pay a price for their actions.

 

[rsd1200]

And the consequence of thinking he was above the rules is that he got suspended for a day. He knew that was the price, just as many who walked out knew they'd pay a price for their actions.

Your statement applies to both scenarios, of my post, #837. The second young man even stated that he hoped he didn't get into trouble for walking out, and he did not. Should he have?

Edit: It seems, that the first kid felt he was forced to choose a side.