Gun Control Debate #5

[ohreally]

To be fair, many of these students are minors and the school has rules. Many schools allowed a choice — study hall or march. Study hall isn’t a punishment. They were supervised either way.

This was a student deciding on their own, who felt like they were forced to take sides and who chose an option that wasn’t allowed. That student isn’t being punished “more harshly.” He isn’t allowed to be unsupervised.

No student was allowed to be unsupervised.

He decided go to against that fundamental, universal school policy. IMHO

It’s fine he did, imho. He knew the consequences and made his decision. ... His own version of civil disobedience. That’s his right, too.

Moo

I think we are talking about two different students. I was talking g about the students that were paddled. They made thier choice to first walk out of class and skip school. Then they chose to thier punishment of paddling instead of suspension. Then went complaining to the media. I was pointing out by the artcle link that walking out of class and skipping is not covered by the 1st admendment.

 

[rsd1200]

To be fair, many of these students are minors and the school has rules. Many schools allowed a choice — study hall or march. Study hall isn’t a punishment. They were supervised either way.

This was a student deciding on their own, who felt like they were forced to take sides and who chose an option that wasn’t allowed. That student isn’t being punished “more harshly.” He isn’t allowed to be unsupervised.

No student was allowed to be unsupervised.

He decided go to against that fundamental, universal school policy. IMHO

It’s fine he did, imho. He knew the consequences and made his decision. ... His own version of civil disobedience. That’s his right, too.

Moo

As it was the young lady's in NJ, who spoke with the press, about not liking either of her two options, so, chose to walk out, alone. Both students were unsupervised. What if someone had grabbed her? What if the kid, alone, in the classroom, had had a medical emergency? Schools have a reason for not leaving a kid unsupervised. I support both of them, but, unless the schools just shut down, (and many that are attendance driven for funding, don't like to do that), the staff could not accommodate everyone's views, and feelings. So, some kids bucked the system. They may come to a point in a job someday, when they'll have to make a tough choice, so, I see this as a life lesson.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Going to and participating in a march or protest means you support the political aims of that protest.

Going to a study hall and not participating in a march or protest means you do not support the political aims of that protest.

Staying in a classroom doing neither is being neutral. JMO

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I think we are talking about two different students. I was talking g about the students that were paddled. They made thier choice to first walk out of class and skip school. Then they chose to thier punishment of paddling instead of suspension. Then went complaining to the media. I was pointing out by the artcle link that walking out of class and skipping is not covered by the 1st admendment.

I agree? I think? Mostly.

I’m speaking of the students who decided they would rather be suspended than supervised. That includes the kids who chose paddling over suspension.

Choosing an option with negative consequences is a form of freedom of expression, imo. Then, on top of it, some chose paddling over suspension.

They don’t have to think it’s fair, but that doesn’t mean they’re right.

They chose to be unsupervised and go against a rule that applied universally to everyone.

Yeah, it’s been politicized since then, but the facts don’t change.

This is my personal opinion only. I, personally, feel hypocritical saying these kids don’t have a right to voice what they consider unfairness if I’m supporting the voices of everyone else on whatever side they stand.

It’s a minor sidebar to the larger issue at hand, but it’s still about their rights. They can complain, imo. They can believe their punishment is unfair and fight it. They also might just have to live with the consequences of their decision, too.

 

[rsd1200]

I agree? I think? Mostly.

I’m speaking of the students who decided they would rather be suspended than supervised. That includes the kids who chose paddling over suspension.

Choosing an option with negative consequences is a form of freedom of expression, imo. Then, on top of it, some chose paddling over suspension.

They don’t have to think it’s fair, but that doesn’t mean they’re right.

They chose to be unsupervised and go against a rule that applied universally to everyone.

Yeah, it’s been politicized since then, but the facts don’t change.

This is my personal opinion only. I, personally, feel hypocritical saying these kids don’t have a right to voice what they consider unfairness if I’m supporting the voices of everyone else on whatever side they stand.

It’s a minor sidebar to the larger issue at hand, but it’s still about their rights. They can complain, imo. They can believe their punishment is unfair and fight it. They also might just have to live with the consequences of their decision, too.

BBM

True. It doesn't mean they are self-promoters, or puppets. It means they are teens. Not every one will fit into the two choice category, nor should they try.

 

[kimlynn]

According to the school student participation was under 50%. I find that surprising.

http://www.hilliardschools.org/facts-about-gatherings/

Not sure why he would have had a problem going to the study hall with the other students who sat it out.
If the school is being honest it wasn't political but a memorial of the 17 that died.
Interesting...but each to their own. IMO

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

According to the school student participation was under 50%. I find that surprising.

http://www.hilliardschools.org/facts-about-gatherings/

Not sure why he would have had a problem going to the study hall with the other students who sat it out.
If the school is being honest it wasn't political but a memorial of the 17 that died.
Interesting...but each to their own. IMO

[emoji106]

From the link:

“In all three high schools, students who chose not to participate in the memorial gatherings were offered the opportunity to remain in the building, under the supervision of school personnel.

“As a district, we are required to supervise students during the school day.

“We do not leave students unattended in classrooms.

“This is the same practice our district implements when students opt out of other school programs or activities. We provide an alternative, supervised location.”

 

[rsd1200]

According to the school student participation was under 50%. I find that surprising.

http://www.hilliardschools.org/facts-about-gatherings/

Not sure why he would have had a problem going to the study hall with the other students who sat it out.
If the school is being honest it wasn't political but a memorial of the 17 that died.
Interesting...but each to their own. IMO

Same goes for those who walked out, w/o, permission, and no supervision. They had two options, but they too, chose their own third option. Why? Because they wanted to do so. They didn't like their choices, just as the aforementioned young man, didn't like the two choices. These are teens. We're looking at it through an adult's eyes. Some can't even drive or vote yet. Some may not even know what they want to do when they graduate.

 

[flourish]

"60 Minutes" is featuring the STUDENTS behind this movement airing right now in my area.

 

[kimlynn]

Same goes for those who walked out, w/o, permission, and no supervision. They had two options, but they too, chose their own third option. Why? Because they wanted to do so. They didn't like their choices, just as the aforementioned young man, didn't like the two choices. These are teens. We're looking at it through an adult's eyes. Some can't even drive or vote yet. Some may not even know what they want to do when they graduate.

You have a point about seeing this through the eyes of an adult. My first thought after watching his interview was that he was making it political.
My second thought was that he felt he would be in the minority and would stand out in study hall as most would be participating but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Still a puzzle as to his point. Did he think a third area should be made available to those who didn't want to make a choice?
IMO

 

[human]

I am astounded, But t I know it to be true, that paddling is allowed in schools.

That means it is ok for your husband or wife to hit you if what one does is objectionable.

Unbelievable.

 

[kimlynn]

I am astounded, Ut I know it to be true, that paddling is allowed in schools.

That means it is k for your husband or wide to hit you if what one does is objectionable.

Unbelievable.

I feel bad for the kid that was whacked for his walk out. He had a choice of being hit or detention. I know which one I would have picked as I have experienced that whacking once during my school years.
And he didn't hold back. Stays with you for sure. I still did what I wanted...just more careful.lol

 

[rsd1200]

You have a point about seeing this through the eyes of an adult. My first thought after watching his interview was that he was making it political.
My second thought was that he felt he would be in the minority and would stand out in study hall as most would be participating but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Still a puzzle as to his point. Did he think a third area should be made available to those who didn't want to make a choice?
IMO

I think he was just doing his own thing. He just didn't know where he fit, politically, and decided to not go to either. There were kids who thought the school didn't do enough, so they did their own thing, and walked out (against school rules). I think we are really putting too much thought into this. It's like the kids who dress prep, or goth, or do the juggalo bit, I think he's just expressing himself in his own way. He accepted the punishment and knew he'd get some sort of punishment. I think the other kid was more upset about his punishment than he was. He didn't post his citation, another kid did. The article that was posted wasn't recent, so it's not like he went to the news today. His family said folks were making too much of it, and they wished it would die down and go away. Neither he nor his Dad seemed to be upset about the citation. Honestly, in h.s. they could have made 10 groups and some would not have fit into any of them.

 

[kimlynn]

I think he was just doing his own thing. He just didn't know where he fit, politically, and decided to not go to either. There were kids who thought the school didn't do enough, so they did their own thing, and walked out (against school rules). I think we are really putting too much thought into this. It's like the kids who dress prep, or goth, or do the juggalo bit, I think he's just expressing himself in his own way. He accepted the punishment and knew he'd get some sort of punishment. I think the other kid was more upset about his punishment than he was. He didn't post his citation, another kid did. The article that was posted wasn't recent, so it's not like he went to the news today. His family said folks were making too much of it, and they wished it would die down and go away. Neither he nor his Dad seemed to be upset about the citation.

I'm not judging him. I think we all should do what we're comfortable with within reason. Just curious about his thoughts and why he felt it was so important.
But in the scheme of things it really doesn't matter. IMO
ETA and hope he will be okay with the attention that came his way as a result of his action.

 

[human]

People are not dighting over popular somgs or shoes. They are figthing over the fact that kids do not want to die.

It is freaking bizarre to call it political. The most basic of things. They do not want to die. I just cannot get over the insanity of fighting over it.

 

[bluesneakers]

I am astounded, But t I know it to be true, that paddling is allowed in schools.

That means it is ok for your husband or wife to hit you if what one does is objectionable.

Unbelievable.

Isn't it? We should worry about what we're teaching them.

 

[Blef]

He didn't post his citation on SM, and he was willing to accept his punishment. Do you see the students walking out, w/o permission, unsupervised, w/ the same lens as you view this young man? Would you accuse them of self promotion? The NYT article is two days old. The news 10 article is three days old. It's not new news. It's old news. You're accusing a teen, using his 1A, of self promotion. What would happen on this thread if you accused this young lady, of the same, for speaking to a news station, of self-promotion? She used her 1A, and it took courage to do what she felt was right, too. However, she was outside, and unsupervised.





http://abc7ny.com/education/single-...ey-school-under-threat-of-suspension/3216954/

they were exercising their first amendment rights. He was disobeying rules set out for safety. So no it’s not the same

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

About 60 students from a Chicago high school used their time during the National School Walkout protest to wreak havoc at a Walmart, witnesses say -- and police are investigating.

“We are very concerned that a walkout intended to promote peace instead led to vandalism and violence,” a Chicago Public Schools spokesperson said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/1...t-during-national-school-walkout-protest.html

 

[Blef]

Isn't it? We should worry about what we're teaching them.

by paddling do you mean hitting? They hit kids in schools in America?????

so what the heck is that teaching? You protest against violence and the result is that you are punished with violence? In America? In schools? NO-ONE has the right to hit a kid! Sheesh! SMDH!*





* going to sit in the corner so my head doesn’t explode

 

[Blef]

About 60 students from a Chicago high school used their time during the National School Walkout protest to wreak havoc at a Walmart, witnesses say -- and police are investigating.

“We are very concerned that a walkout intended to promote peace instead led to vandalism and violence,” a Chicago Public Schools spokesperson said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/1...t-during-national-school-walkout-protest.html

Hahaha Fox News