Gun Control Debate #5

[bobcat]

As this is a gun control thread, I would say that I am appalled that we don't have laws in every state about locking up and storing fire arms in a house. Too many children get access to guns each year. It seems to me that we could get consensus on this one, no?

No, because how would such a law be enforced? Regular home inspections by the police?

 

[SpeckledCactys]

No, because how would such a law be enforced? Regular home inspections by the police?

Honestly that doesn't sound terribly far-fetched, but as you said it would be crazy for the police to have to inspect every. single. residence.

 

[bluesneakers]

No, because how would such a law be enforced? Regular home inspections by the police?

There are already laws like this in place and they've shown to make a big difference in child gun violence.

 

[bluesneakers]

I am a bit speechless that you would refer to "each kid had its own father" in reference to the children in the house. "its" as a term for a human is not appropriate and refers to them as less than.

As this is a gun control thread, I would say that I am appalled that we don't have laws in every state about locking up and storing fire arms in a house. Too many children get access to guns each year. It seems to me that we could get consensus on this one, no?

Especialy because it works.

 

[Tricia]

Hi Everyone,

Can we leave out discussion on laws that are not directly related to guns?

Thank you,
Tricia

 

[Woodland]

No, because how would such a law be enforced? Regular home inspections by the police?

Laws are enforced after the fact - along with the consequences assigned (fines, restitution, jail etc). Suggesting regular home inspections by LE isn't helpful as it sends the discussion in a direction that is not applicable and has no solution imo.

Enacting and enforcing new laws to curb gun violence would take time to kick in for the population as a whole. The apathy with guns in the US took more than one hundred years to set in imo - that won't be reversed overnight.

To fix the problem, and a majority of US citizens seem to agree the US has a big problem with guns, one needs to start somewhere. Maybe the first attempt won't work well - so what, move on to a revised solution.

 

[Blef]

Why can’t people be heavily prosecuted after an incident where a minor has got their hands on a loaded, unsecured gun? Part of the privilege of having rights is responsibility too. People can and have been punished for allowing alcohol to be available to minors. It seems ludicrous that they aren’t punished severely for allowing access to firearms. Let the people know that enough is enough. If you are buying and storing a gun then you should accept that it is your responsibility to keep that gun and ammo away from children and if you are hunting with your guns then you take responsibility for a minor using the gun. If you believe guns are inherently safe (which only a complete idiot would think as they are designed to maim and kill and therefore are not inherently safe) then you would have no problem with that. If you understand that guns are not inherently safe then you would have no problem with that. It’s about being responsible.

 

[Woodland]

Why can’t people be heavily prosecuted after an incident where a minor has got their hands on a loaded, unsecured gun? Part of the privilege of having rights is responsibility too. People can and have been punished for allowing alcohol to be available to minors. It seems ludicrous that they aren’t punished severely for allowing access to firearms. Let the people know that enough is enough. If you are buying and storing a gun then you should accept that it is your responsibility to keep that gun and ammo away from children and if you are hunting with your guns then you take responsibility for a minor using the gun. If you believe guns are inherently safe (which only a complete idiot would think as they are designed to maim and kill and therefore are not inherently safe) then you would have no problem with that. If you understand that guns are not inherently safe then you would have no problem with that. It’s about being responsible.

I think you nailed it Blef - there is a lack of responsibility where gun ownership in the US is concerned. And imo, no expectation for many that they owe responsibility for gun ownership to fellow citizens. New laws are needed to apply to this mindset imo.

 

[bobcat]

Laws are enforced after the fact - along with the consequences assigned (fines, restitution, jail etc). Suggesting regular home inspections by LE isn't helpful as it sends the discussion in a direction that is not applicable and has no solution imo.

Enacting and enforcing new laws to curb gun violence would take time to kick in for the population as a whole. The apathy with guns in the US took more than one hundred years to set in imo - that won't be reversed overnight.

To fix the problem, and a majority of US citizens seem to agree the US has a big problem with guns, one needs to start somewhere. Maybe the first attempt won't work well - so what, move on to a revised solution.

Enforced after the fact? How is that going to prevent these accidental shootings? It won't, so what's the point? To me punishing someone for having a gun in their home is like punishing someone for having a hammer, or a baseball bat, after one of those things is used to kill someone. When I was growing up we had guns and ammunition in the house, even in my own bedroom, when I was a teenager, and my brother and I never even thought about using the guns to shoot someone.

 

[bobcat]

Not sure if the latest school shooting has been posted yet, happened in Maryland this morning. Thankfully an armed officer was there and shot the gunman before he could shoot more people.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...way-at-St-Marys-Co-High-School-477374093.html


ETA: A man with a gun stopped a shooter before it became a mass killing.

That is the story here.

 

[Blef]

Enforced after the fact? How is that going to prevent these accidental shootings? It won't, so what's the point? To me punishing someone for having a gun in their home is like punishing someone for having a hammer, or a baseball bat, after one of those things is used to kill someone. When I was growing up we had guns and ammunition in the house, even in my own bedroom, when I was a teenager, and my brother and I never even thought about using the guns to shoot someone.

In that case why have punishments after any event? Oh yes, because it is a deterrent. Tell people they will face a strict punishment for not securing their guns and ammo. A hammer, used for handywork, a baseball bat, used for baseball. A gun, used to kill and maim. Very different things.

Why do you oppose so much sensible gun control? Why is it such a hardship to you if it makes other less sensible gun owners more accountable? I HATE seeing motorbikers not wearing helmets and appropriate clothing, I fully understand why riding a bike needs a test and a licence. I understand why registration, tax (in the UK), insurance and motor vehicle testing is necessary. Would I support even stricter laws? Yup, because I want to see motorcyclists and those around them to be safer. Is all this inconvenient to me? Sure, I would love not to have to pay so much on my hobby and my primary mode of transport. But I don't just want anyone and everyone to ride a bike. I understand that it's something not everyone should do, and there needs to be restrictions.

 

[Blef]

Not sure if the latest school shooting has been posted yet, happened in Maryland this morning. Thankfully an armed officer was there and shot the gunman before he could shoot more people.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...way-at-St-Marys-Co-High-School-477374093.html


ETA: A man with a gun stopped a shooter before it became a mass killing.

That is the story here.

Wonder how the shooter got the gun?

 

[bobcat]

A little more info here, shooter is dead:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...s/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html

 

[Blef]

A little more info here, shooter is dead:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...s/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html

Link is not working.

Shame someone who was a student, has lost their life, due to lax gun control laws. Maybe if they hadn't had such easy access to guns, along with adequate mental health care, this would never have happened.​

 

[flourish]

A little more info here, shooter is dead:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...s/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html

Hmm that link didn't work for me can you double check the address, please, bobcat? Thank you ☺

 

[bobcat]

Link is not working.

Shame someone who was a student, has lost their life, due to lax gun control laws. Maybe if they hadn't had such easy access to guns, along with adequate mental health care, this would never have happened.​

Not sure this can be blamed on lax gun control laws. The kid couldn't have bought the gun legally. There's already a law for that. Prohibiting a person under the age of 21 from buying a handgun. And, murder is also illegal. But somehow this kid ignored the law and shot people anyway.

 

[bobcat]

Hmm that link didn't work for me can you double check the address, please, bobcat? Thank you ☺

I tried to fix it but can't make it work. Google Maryland shooting.

 

[Blef]

Not sure this can be blamed on lax gun control laws. The kid couldn't have bought the gun legally. There's already a law for that. Prohibiting a person under the age of 21 from buying a handgun. And, murder is also illegal. But somehow this kid ignored the law and shot people anyway.

Why didn't the appropriate adult keep the gun and ammo well away from this child then? That's lax gun control right there. However the child got the gun, it obviously wasn't safely stored.

 

[Woodland]

Enforced after the fact? How is that going to prevent these accidental shootings? It won't, so what's the point? To me punishing someone for having a gun in their home is like punishing someone for having a hammer, or a baseball bat, after one of those things is used to kill someone. When I was growing up we had guns and ammunition in the house, even in my own bedroom, when I was a teenager, and my brother and I never even thought about using the guns to shoot someone.

With all due respect - your posts reflect the mindset that nothing will work so don't bother. Most are here to help with finding a solution and will continue to do that regardless.

Ammo in someone's bedroom when they were young has no bearing on this thread - imo.
No one said anything about punishment on the level you imply. Kindly remember those are your words/interpretation.
Maybe a separate thread for those wishing that the status quo remains?

 

[flourish]

Here's a link which should work





https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html


I've noticed sometimes Google likes to give a page within their like.. browser kinda thing so the address comes up weird and to get the true address to the article you have to click the little link icon to get a little box with the address so you can copy and paste. See attached screenshots and hope that's helpful


So the second screenshot shows how I've clicked the link and the box popped up so then you long press the box and it'll give you the option to copy link address