Hailey Dunn General Discussion #1

[Knox]

We didn't. LE wouldn't comment on anything other than that they were aware of the message and investigating it.

Billie said it pinged on a CCity tower?

 

[For The Kids]

We didn't. LE wouldn't comment on anything other than that they were aware of the message and investigating it.

But they did confirm it was definetly sent in the time period stated?

 

[kirby]

Where did we learn about the text message pinging in C City?

Law enforcement have now confirmed, via spokesperson, Pete Kampfer, that a text message was sent, from Hailey's cell phone, to a friend at 2:00p.m. on the date of her disappearance. The text message simply stated “WYD”, (What are you doing?). Kampfer stated that no information concerning the text would be released, rather would be “held close to the investigation”.

Hailey’s mother, Billie Dunn, mentioned the text message on CNN’s Nancy Grace, January 18, 2011. Billie Dunn said, prior to the investigators taking the cell phone, she had seen the message; however, there was no response to the text, by the friend.

Law enforcement have cell phone records from this Verizon account, via Search Warrant for the cell phone records of Billie Dunn. Investigators are not releasing information concerning the cell tower’s location of the “ping” for this text.

 

[Tugela]

Now, where was SA during this.

The timeline was analysed in [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127434"]this thread [/ame](post #14). That covers the trip from work back to the mothers house and pretty much agrees with his version of events. There is not much time for anything other than what he said he did.

Note, apparently he arrived there before his mother left for work, so she can probably corroborate that. Also, SA has a teenaged brother who lives there, and he very likely would have been there much of the day. So, there are probably at least two people who can corroborate that he was there.

Again, from the above link, read posts 17 and 18 regarding pings. The affidavit has SA making 11 phone calls while at the mothers house. These exactly co-incide with LE's ping intervals for Big Spring, so it is highly likely that when they talk about pings, they actually mean call routing information (which is stored for a long time by the phone company).

This means that SA's day can pretty much be accounted for from ~6 AM until 2.40 PM. Assuming it takes 45 minutes to get back to CC, he would have arrived home again ~ 3.25 PM. HD left shortly after that, then appromately 30 minutes later DD arrives back home.

The text message was sent at 2.16/2.18 PM, so, if the phone was at BD's house it would have not been possible for SA to have sent it, since he was in Big Sping 20 minutes later.

If SA did not send it then someone else must have, and it couldn't have been BD since she was at work. This is important because some have speculated that HD was allready dead when SA left for work. If that was so, then who was the texter, and why?

 

[Tugela]

Billie said it pinged on a CCity tower?

No one said anything about where it pinged. The only people who know that are LE, and they didn't release any information other than that they were investigating the message.

The rest of the information apparently came from MB's mother, who would have access to it on the recieving phone.

 

[For The Kids]

Now, where was SA during this.

The timeline was analysed in this thread (post #14). That covers the trip from work back to the mothers house and pretty much agrees with his version of events. There is not much time for anything other than what he said he did.

Note, apparently he arrived there before his mother left for work, so she can probably corroborate that. Also, SA has a teenaged brother who lives there, and he very likely would have been there much of the day. So, there are probably at least two people who can corroborate that he was there.

Again, from the above link, read posts 17 and 18 regarding pings. The affidavit has SA making 11 phone calls while at the mothers house. These exactly co-incide with LE's ping intervals for Big Spring, so it is highly likely that when they talk about pings, they actually mean call routing information (which is stored for a long time by the phone company).

This means that SA's day can pretty much be accounted for from ~6 AM until 2.40 PM. Assuming it takes 45 minutes to get back to CC, he would have arrived home again ~ 3.25 PM. HD left shortly after that, then appromately 30 minutes later DD arrives back home.

The text message was sent at 2.16/2.18 PM, so, if the phone was at BD's house it would have not been possible for SA to have sent it, since he was in Big Sping 20 minutes later.

If SA did not send it then someone else must have, and it couldn't have been BD since she was at work. This is important because some have speculated that HD was allready dead when SA left for work. If that was so, then who was the texter, and why?

The why is simple. They had made up a story and the text message was part of the plan. As for who that will be part of the investigation.

 

[Tugela]

Law enforcement have now confirmed, via spokesperson, Pete Kampfer, that a text message was sent, from Hailey's cell phone, to a friend at 2:00p.m. on the date of her disappearance. The text message simply stated “WYD”, (What are you doing?). Kampfer stated that no information concerning the text would be released, rather would be “held close to the investigation”.

Hailey’s mother, Billie Dunn, mentioned the text message on CNN’s Nancy Grace, January 18, 2011. Billie Dunn said, prior to the investigators taking the cell phone, she had seen the message; however, there was no response to the text, by the friend.

Law enforcement have cell phone records from this Verizon account, via Search Warrant for the cell phone records of Billie Dunn. Investigators are not releasing information concerning the cell tower’s location of the “ping” for this text.

That is quite similar to what various reports have cited MB's mom as saying. I wonder if the reporters are getting their sources confused when they rehash older stories.

 

[Tugela]

The why is simple. They had made up a story and the text message was part of the plan. As for who that will be part of the investigation.

Except neither of them could have done it.

There is no evidence that HD was anything other than alive at that point, so it is entirely possible for it to have been her.

 

[Tugela]

Then there is the dogs tracking to the hotel story here.

 

[For The Kids]

Except neither of them could have done it.

There is no evidence that HD was anything other than alive at that point, so it is entirely possible for it to have been her.

I am not sure what your point is. The fact is others could have sent that text message.As for no evidence to show she was anything other than alive there is no evidence to show that she was alive. No evidence that she was seen alive that day and even less evidence that she was kidnapped.

 

[For The Kids]

Then there is the dogs tracking to the hotel story here.

Firstly Clint was shown a lot of video. Hailey was not there. Secondly you would expect Haileys scent to be at the motel if she hung around there like as been stated.

 

[sreshowtime]

there is no telling the actual age of scent any dogs tracked, where ever they went or were taken

ya know, there is an app that can be put on a phone that you can set a time for a text to be sent..then you could remove the app

no one knows if BD's phone was at Chestnut on Monday, much less where it may have pinged

just because a phone pings a certain tower, that doesn't necessarily mean the phone or owner is at a specific address associated with that tower

the Chestnut house was normally unlocked thereby allowing anyone that needed/wanted to come in, to do so

a teen girl at home with a phone, when school is out, supposedly makes one text all day long, and it's not even to one of her best friends, no other texts, or calls, incoming or outgoing...???
why is that?

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Now, where was SA during this.

The timeline was analysed in this thread (post #14). That covers the trip from work back to the mothers house and pretty much agrees with his version of events. There is not much time for anything other than what he said he did.

Note, apparently he arrived there before his mother left for work, so she can probably corroborate that. Also, SA has a teenaged brother who lives there, and he very likely would have been there much of the day. So, there are probably at least two people who can corroborate that he was there.

Only LE knows this information, on who can substantiate SA's alibi.

Again, from the above link, read posts 17 and 18 regarding pings. The affidavit has SA making 11 phone calls while at the mothers house. These exactly co-incide with LE's ping intervals for Big Spring, so it is highly likely that when they talk about pings, they actually mean call routing information (which is stored for a long time by the phone company).

This must also be the time that SA informed his Mother around noon that Hailey was missing, although, NO ONE else knew that Hailey was missing yet.

This means that SA's day can pretty much be accounted for from ~6 AM until 2.40 PM. Assuming it takes 45 minutes to get back to CC, he would have arrived home again ~ 3.25 PM. HD left shortly after that, then appromately 30 minutes later DD arrives back home.

SA arrived back in CCity with BD's phone and DD arrived at the house.

The text message was sent at 2.16/2.18 PM, so, if the phone was at BD's house it would have not been possible for SA to have sent it, since he was in Big Sping 20 minutes later.

Unless it was in SA's possession at the time.

If SA did not send it then someone else must have, and it couldn't have been BD since she was at work. This is important because some have speculated that HD was allready dead when SA left for work. If that was so, then who was the texter, and why?

Red By ME.
SA sent the text message to infer that an alive Hailey sent the message thus throwing the timeline of her missing off and enabling SA and BD to "go to work" to establish alibis. JMO.

 

[Knox]

there is no telling the actual age of scent any dogs tracked, where ever they went or were taken

ya know, there is an app that can be put on a phone that you can set a time for a text to be sent..then you could remove the app

no one knows if BD's phone was at Chestnut on Monday, much less where it may have pinged

just because a phone pings a certain tower, that doesn't necessarily mean the phone or owner is at a specific address associated with that tower

the Chestnut house was normally unlocked thereby allowing anyone that needed/wanted to come in, to do so

a teen girl at home with a phone, when school is out, supposedly makes one text all day long, and it's not even to one of her best friends, no other texts, or calls, incoming or outgoing...???
why is that?

BBM- Takes me back to the interview with LE, in which Shawn deleted something from his phone before he handed it back to the detective.

 

[Knox]

Billie says Hailey is playing the Xbox in David's room @ 9:00pm
http://www.sweetwaterreporter.com/sites/default/files/Billie Dunn timeline.PDF

DD told investigator's Hailey was playing the Xbox in the living room @ 9PM.
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/image...page/nxd_media/dox/pdf/2011_01/Affidavit .PDF

Small detail I guess, but ... If David had the new Xbox (Christmas gift) in his room, and the old Xbox was in the living room, hmmn. Didn't Shawn say he didn't really play video games? Hailey got a new TV for her bedroom, wouldn't she have wanted to put the old Xbox in room?

 

[Tugela]

BBM- Takes me back to the interview with LE, in which Shawn deleted something from his phone before he handed it back to the detective.

When you delete something from an electronic device it is not actually deleted, all that happens is that the file pointers are removed, but the files are still there until they eventually get overwritten.

If there was such a program, LE would be all over that.

Whatever SA deleted, if he actually did that at all, would have been recovered from the phone. Further, there would be records with the phone company so deleting it would be futile. You will notice that LE make no mention of following up any of these avenues. It is unlikely that they would have not done that, so they probably did, but did not find anything incriminating.

Also, such programs need to be downloaded from somewhere, and there would be a record of that.

Since it is not a simple thing, it would have required planning long in advance, and there is no indication of anything like that.

Keep in mind that none of these people appear all that interested in computers beyond email and message boards. They dont even have a computer for goodness sakes. I think it is very unlikely that any of them have enough familiarity with computer systems to have credibly have done anything like that.

 

[Tugela]

Billie says Hailey is playing the Xbox in David's room @ 9:00pm
http://www.sweetwaterreporter.com/sites/default/files/Billie Dunn timeline.PDF

DD told investigator's Hailey was playing the Xbox in the living room @ 9PM.
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/image...page/nxd_media/dox/pdf/2011_01/Affidavit .PDF

Small detail I guess, but ... If David had the new Xbox (Christmas gift) in his room, and the old Xbox was in the living room, hmmn. Didn't Shawn say he didn't really play video games? Hailey got a new TV for her bedroom, wouldn't she have wanted to put the old Xbox in room?

Xbox is portable.

The living room TV is probably a lot bigger than the one in her room, so would be more desirable.

 

[Tugela]

Red By ME.
SA sent the text message to infer that an alive Hailey sent the message thus throwing the timeline of her missing off and enabling SA and BD to "go to work" to establish alibis. JMO.

There is nothing to suggest that the phone ever left BD's house. Nothing at all.

I'm not aware that SA told his mother HD was missing before he last saw her. He might have the following day or the day after that but I doubt it was that day.

Other people would know if his story corroborated or not, not just LE. Certainly, LE have never contested that he was at his mother's house at that time. I think it is very likely that there are multiple people who can verify it, and that is the main reason why no further search warrants aimed at SA were carried out (beyond the nonsense - which IMO was a not so subtle attempt by LE to carry out searchs in an indirect way).

If the message had pinged out of Big Spring, LE would have been all over that in their affidavits, since they had all the phone routing information at that point. The fact that they said nothing speaks volumes IMO, in fact they didnt mention the text message at all, because it would poke a rather large hole in their case for getting a search warrant. Remember, the affidavits will only include INCRIMINATING information, it will NOT include information that points away.

 

[Tugela]

Firstly Clint was shown a lot of video. Hailey was not there. Secondly you would expect Haileys scent to be at the motel if she hung around there like as been stated.

The hotel sounds like a motel. We don't know where their camera's where or what they recorded. According to CD he was shown the video, but didn't identify anyone. Why would he think he would be able to identify someone? That is a little wierd. Did he believe that he might be able to identify someone there?

LE said nothing about the occupants of the room, even though they talked about dogs leading to it. And why did they take dogs to random locations, but not the route HD was alleged to have taken? That doesn't make sense, it is a strange thing to have done.

I think they probably did do what BD said (she was there and would have seen them doing it afterall), but Kaempfer was only partially in the loop and only got the end of the story, not the beginning.

One of the issues with a lot of these comments attributed to LE is that that many appear to be have been made not by the actual investigators, but some media liason who is telling information second or third hand (or worse), colored by their own opinions, and consequently much of it is not all that accurate.

 

[Soulmagent]

there is no telling the actual age of scent any dogs tracked, where ever they went or were taken

ya know, there is an app that can be put on a phone that you can set a time for a text to be sent..then you could remove the app

no one knows if BD's phone was at Chestnut on Monday, much less where it may have pinged

just because a phone pings a certain tower, that doesn't necessarily mean the phone or owner is at a specific address associated with that tower

the Chestnut house was normally unlocked thereby allowing anyone that needed/wanted to come in, to do so

a teen girl at home with a phone, when school is out, supposedly makes one text all day long, and it's not even to one of her best friends, no other texts, or calls, incoming or outgoing...???
why is that?

Hailey listed the person who supposedly got that text as one of her best friend on a social networking site. Not facebook.

Why is this person not what Hailey considered a best friend?
Just wondering.