Hailey Dunn General Discussion #1

[Crosby87]

When Shawn lived with Billie, did he have his own vehicle? Did LE only search Billie's car after Hailey disappeared? Thank you.

 

[Mjskit]

<modsnip>

As for SA using the phone to text MB, you are forgetting that at the time SA was in Big Spring, and HD's phone was in CC. So he could not have done it.

The only people who could have done it IMO are SA, BD, HD, DD or CD (they were the only ones with access and sufficient knowledge of HD's social life). SA and BD were in other cities at the time, so unless you are suggesting that DD or CD did it, the only option remaining is that HD herself did it.

BBM Assuming SA had his cell phone with him and he was the one using the cell phone in Big Spring (or anywhere else).

 

[Tugela]

Being a teen that may have experimented with pot, would not been what most would call a drug user, and it seems the only reason that SA said that and the other character assassination of that poor 13 year old, was to make it appear that she was a promiscuous, drug using runaway to take the heat off of him..

But he was not the only one who said it. Plus, it would have been in response to a question by LE. If he was aware of this, what was he supposed to do? Lie to them so as to protect her reputation, thereby potentially undermining their investigation?

 

[katydid23]

Sleeping in the living room rather than the bedroom seems kind of weird to me. You would think that would create a certain level of inconvenience to the other people in the house. Was she using that as a cover to take off during the night un-noticed? Thinking back to my youth, that is the sort of thing I might have done.

I have another take on it. When i was young, my uncle used to come into my bedroom and molest me. So I did anything I could to avoid sleeping in my room, when he was around. My two brothers had bunk beds and I used to go in and sleep in the bottom bunk next to my baby brother. I would tell my mom that I was having a nightmare if she mentioned it. But I usually snuck back into my room before anyone woke up.

When I think of Hailey sleeping in the living room, and I add to it the things she told her grandmother, about seeing Shawn pacing outside of her bedroom door at night, it makes me think she wanted to be out in the living room for the safety factor.

Isn't it interesting that Just days before she went missing, she began sleeping in her own room, because she now had her own TV. Funny thing---Shawn was the one that suggested to Billie that she get Hailey a TV. Wonder why he wanted her to have that?

It makes me wonder if maybe he snuck into her room Sunday night when everyone was asleep. Maybe he messed with her that night, and told her to keep her mouth shut about it. BUt then on MOnday morning, he gets to work, and he cannot shake the feeling that Hailey is going to wake up and go tell her Dad or brother what happened. So Shawn leaves work and races back home, and snatches Hailey out of her bed, and takes her for a littel road trip?

 

[katydid23]

But he was not the only one who said it. Plus, it would have been in response to a question by LE. If he was aware of this, what was he supposed to do? Lie to them so as to protect her reputation, thereby potentially undermining their investigation?

He was the only one who ever called her a promiscuous .

 

[Curious Me]

That and the "to ease my mind". Why would her mind need to be eased?

As a mother, calling over at the sleepover would ease my mind more.

A daughter in her own home in her own bedroom is less likely to cause an uneasy feeling, I would think. That uneasy feeling might have been connected to all sorts of things, but explain it, Woman.

Maybe she didn't touch Hailey, but did she see her foot, arm, leg?
I have to wonder how it eased her mind. It was a crucial question then, and now it comes back even more important.

 

[ella971]

I always had to lay eyes on my daughter before I went to sleep and it was just us in the house.
Why? Because she is the most important thing to me. I would kiss her head and tell her I loved her even when she was asleep. Every Mom is different I just wanted to share what I always have done with my daughter.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I believe LE took the new X-Box that Hailey played on - not sure why they would take a different X-Box???

The importance of it seems to merely be that it was the last thing she was playing with before she went to bed the night before. Her brother was able to show police how far she played and that helped determine her bedtime.

Hailey Dunn Affidavit - Search Warrants



Anyway, it seems pretty clear that LE took the X-Box when Hailey was first reported missing. They came back later with warrants looking for other electronic things, but the X-Box wasn't mentioned in the warrant, so I think it was already removed from the house.

 

[Tugela]

BBM

I can't help but feel that the above bolded comments are a denigration of a little girl who, through no fault of her own, is now deceased & a victim of homicide, perhaps by her own mother's former live-in lover.

There have been zero reports of Hailey taking off during the night.

Lots of teens sleep on the living room couch, for a variety of reasons.

I find it offensive to try to paint Hailey in a negative light in order to defend the adults in the home, one of whom is a named suspect in her disappearance.

I am kind of getting at something, but I can't quite figure it out yet. I think there is an answer in all of this.

Zero reports of her taking off that night, but no one saw her so who can say? And there were certainly reports of her taking off the following night, apparently without anyone being too concerned about it. So there is a relevant history for this.

The point is to figure out what happened to her, it is not an exercise to build a memorial or paint her in a good light. That is completely irrelevant to the case. Hiding things in her life that people find unpalatable does not advance the investigation nor does it provide justice to her. Justice will come from the truth, warts and all, pleasant or not, and nothing else.

It will require a bit of digging through old threads, but early on in this case there were reports from family friends who HD apparently lived with for a period, and they described a situation where there was little parental control and she came and went as she pleased.

After HD disappeared, the mother of MB was interviewed and claimed that MB had once overnighted with HD, but that she wouldn't allow it again because she found out later that the girls had been out and about at night.

If that is accurate, that was her life, how she was, and of course it is relevant to the investigation, especially if that in some way played a role in what happened to her. It does not serve any purpose sugar coating that.

The assumption almost everyone has here is that SA did it and that is that. That is a possibility of course, but the timeline makes that difficult to reconcile. I have certainly considered that, and it is still possible, but unless new information comes to light it seems unlikely IMO.

But, I have also considered two other scenarios. One of those is less likely now, since she has been found dead, so I don't think that happened. But the third one is still a real possibility IMO.

So, I want to know where she went, what she did, and who she did it with.

 

[Tugela]

I believe LE took the new X-Box that Hailey played on - not sure why they would take a different X-Box???

The importance of it seems to merely be that it was the last thing she was playing with before she went to bed the night before. Her brother was able to show police how far she played and that helped determine her bedtime.

Hailey Dunn Affidavit - Search Warrants



Anyway, it seems pretty clear that LE took the X-Box when Hailey was first reported missing. They came back later with warrants looking for other electronic things, but the X-Box wasn't mentioned in the warrant, so I think it was already removed from the house.

No, the search warrant for the devices was for items already in their evidence locker that BD had voluntarily surrendered to LE. This is explained in the affidavit.

It didn't mention the X-box however, which is curious. They talk about the X-box in the affidavits for the warrant, which implies that they already had studied it. Possibly there exists earlier affidavits/search warrants for various items that we don't know about.

 

[ThoughtFox]

In the affidavit, it states that police became suspicious of SA because his view of Hailey was so negative.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/image...edia/dox/pdf/2011_01/HaileyDunnAffidavits.PDF

While it does mention a cousin and a juvenile male friend saying that Hailey mentioned marijuana a few times - not too strange for teenagers and probably all talk - that's not the same thing as calling her a promiscuous, sexually-active drug addict, which is what SA said about her!

Let's recall that he did other things, such as deleting stuff from his cellphone, and lying about getting fired from his job. Suspicious stuff.

 

[Tugela]

When Shawn lived with Billie, did he have his own vehicle? Did LE only search Billie's car after Hailey disappeared? Thank you.

My understanding is that SA didn't have a car, and that they used BD's car.

 

[katydid23]

I am kind of getting at something, but I can't quite figure it out yet. I think there is an answer in all of this.

Zero reports of her taking off that night, but no one saw her so who can say? And there were certainly reports of her taking off the following night, apparently without anyone being too concerned about it. So there is a relevant history for this.

The point is to figure out what happened to her, it is not an exercise to build a memorial or paint her in a good light. That is completely irrelevant to the case. Hiding things in her life that people find unpalatable does not advance the investigation nor does it provide justice to her. Justice will come from the truth, warts and all, pleasant or not, and nothing else.

It will require a bit of digging through old threads, but early on in this case there were reports from family friends who HD apparently lived with for a period, and they described a situation where there was little parental control and she came and went as she pleased.

After HD disappeared, the mother of MB was interviewed and claimed that MB had once overnighted with HD, but that she wouldn't allow it again because she found out later that the girls had been out and about at night.

If that is accurate, that was her life, how she was, and of course it is relevant to the investigation, especially if that in some way played a role in what happened to her. It does not serve any purpose sugar coating that.

The assumption almost everyone has here is that SA did it and that is that. That is a possibility of course, but the timeline makes that difficult to reconcile. I have certainly considered that, and it is still possible, but unless new information comes to light it seems unlikely IMO.

But, I have also considered two other scenarios. One of those is less likely now, since she has been found dead, so I don't think that happened. But the third one is still a real possibility IMO.

So, I want to know where she went, what she did, and who she did it with.

What troubles you about the timeline and makes it seem improbable that Shawn is the likely suspect?

 

[ThoughtFox]

No, the search warrant for the devices was for items already in their evidence locker that BD had voluntarily surrendered to LE. This is explained in the affidavit.

It didn't mention the X-box however, which is curious. They talk about the X-box in the affidavits for the warrant, which implies that they already had studied it. Possibly there exists earlier affidavits/search warrants for various items that we don't know about.

I think it's simple - BD let them take the X-Box.

They wanted to preserve the timestamp of how long Hailey played that night and what time she signed off. Maybe they wanted to check it for blood or fingerprints, too. JMOO

 

[ThoughtFox]

When Shawn lived with Billie, did he have his own vehicle? Did LE only search Billie's car after Hailey disappeared? Thank you.

It's on page one of the affidavit:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/image...edia/dox/pdf/2011_01/HaileyDunnAffidavits.PDF

 

[katydid23]

I am kind of getting at something, but I can't quite figure it out yet. I think there is an answer in all of this.

Zero reports of her taking off that night, but no one saw her so who can say? And there were certainly reports of her taking off the following night, apparently without anyone being too concerned about it. So there is a relevant history for this.

The point is to figure out what happened to her, it is not an exercise to build a memorial or paint her in a good light. That is completely irrelevant to the case. Hiding things in her life that people find unpalatable does not advance the investigation nor does it provide justice to her. Justice will come from the truth, warts and all, pleasant or not, and nothing else.

It will require a bit of digging through old threads, but early on in this case there were reports from family friends who HD apparently lived with for a period, and they described a situation where there was little parental control and she came and went as she pleased.

After HD disappeared, the mother of MB was interviewed and claimed that MB had once overnighted with HD, but that she wouldn't allow it again because she found out later that the girls had been out and about at night.

If that is accurate, that was her life, how she was, and of course it is relevant to the investigation, especially if that in some way played a role in what happened to her. It does not serve any purpose sugar coating that.

The assumption almost everyone has here is that SA did it and that is that. That is a possibility of course, but the timeline makes that difficult to reconcile. I have certainly considered that, and it is still possible, but unless new information comes to light it seems unlikely IMO.

But, I have also considered two other scenarios. One of those is less likely now, since she has been found dead, so I don't think that happened. But the third one is still a real possibility IMO.

So, I want to know where she went, what she did, and who she did it with.

BBM

What night did she 'take off'? I do not remember any reports of her taking off that night.

 

[Kimmer]

But he was not the only one who said it. Plus, it would have been in response to a question by LE. If he was aware of this, what was he supposed to do? Lie to them so as to protect her reputation, thereby potentially undermining their investigation?

It would not be the first or last thing he would do to undermine it, but there are charges for things like that..

 

[Tugela]

I have another take on it. When i was young, my uncle used to come into my bedroom and molest me. So I did anything I could to avoid sleeping in my room, when he was around. My two brothers had bunk beds and I used to go in and sleep in the bottom bunk next to my baby brother. I would tell my mom that I was having a nightmare if she mentioned it. But I usually snuck back into my room before anyone woke up.

When I think of Hailey sleeping in the living room, and I add to it the things she told her grandmother, about seeing Shawn pacing outside of her bedroom door at night, it makes me think she wanted to be out in the living room for the safety factor.

Isn't it interesting that Just days before she went missing, she began sleeping in her own room, because she now had her own TV. Funny thing---Shawn was the one that suggested to Billie that she get Hailey a TV. Wonder why he wanted her to have that?

It makes me wonder if maybe he snuck into her room Sunday night when everyone was asleep. Maybe he messed with her that night, and told her to keep her mouth shut about it. BUt then on MOnday morning, he gets to work, and he cannot shake the feeling that Hailey is going to wake up and go tell her Dad or brother what happened. So Shawn leaves work and races back home, and snatches Hailey out of her bed, and takes her for a littel road trip?

Why would sleeping in the living room make her safer? It is in the same house just feet away. It also doesn't have a door that you could lock or barricade if you were concerned about nocturnal visitors. In fact, it would make you more vulnerable from nocturnal visitors from the outside (since these people apparently didn't lock their doors). <modsnip>, it is not a logical course of action. If she did not feel safe, sleeping in the living room would increase her exposure to danger, not decrease it.

BD didn't sleep there in the living room, and the bedroom was probably closer to the main bedroom if an alarm was to be raised.

 

[Tugela]

BBM

What night did she 'take off'? I do not remember any reports of her taking off that night.

Umm...the night she disappeared?

 

[Tugela]

It would not be the first or last thing he would do to undermine it, but there are charges for things like that..

Ok, so, suppose your daughter disappeared, and lets assume you knew she had enquired about getting pot.

Then, when the LEO investigating asked you if she had ever had expressed an interest in drugs, would you lie and say no, because you were concerned about her reputation?

Or you would you tell them what you know, because it could help them find her?

Keep in mind that SA was not the only person to have said this, there were at least two others who independently said the same thing. So, why should we assume that SA must therefore be lieing?