Head blow vs strangulation

[coloradokares]

If you had that time machine, would you set it for Dec. 24th and wait and watch it all unfold..from the Fleet's party to the very end..? Just to be invisible and follow JonBenet's every step.

NO!! If I would have been there on the 24th I'd of defended little JonBenet to my death. Which one of us wouldn't have. It'd be a whole othercase we'd be studying here, a case of "in self defense" for I assure you my intent would have been to throttle em within an inch. Let it be known if I am there I am going to find a way to save a little child from harm. But had I been in the first officer to arrives position or Linda Arndts place. I'd like to think evidence would not have been tainted and cuffs would have gone on.

 

[santos1014]

NO!! If I would have been there on the 24th I'd of defended little JonBenet to my death. Which one of us wouldn't have. It'd be a whole othercase we'd be studying here, a case of "in self defense" for I assure you my intent would have been to throttle em within an inch. Let it be known if I am there I am going to find a way to save a little child from harm. But had I been in the first officer to arrives position or Linda Arndts place. I'd like to think evidence would not have been tainted and cuffs would have gone on.

Oh I know you would have defended her, as we all would. What I was getting at...is that if you could have been there in spirit, so to speak, just observing, would you choose to do so? To be a silent witness to what has already happened?
Sorry, probably doesn't make any sense to anyone but me LOL It is just the way my brain works sometimes.

 

[coloradokares]

Oh I know you would have defended her, as we all would. What I was getting at...is that if you could have been there in spirit, so to speak, just observing, would you choose to do so? To be a silent witness to what has already happened?
Sorry, probably doesn't make any sense to anyone but me LOL It is just the way my brain works sometimes.

I don't think if I was me spirit or otherwise I could find a way to stand by and be a silent witness. But I get where your coming from. Like watching a movie and I'd be the only chance for justice later...It'd be impossible to watch the murder of a child. I cannot in my human mind fathom it. Could any of us fathom it.

 

[santos1014]

I don't think if I was me spirit or otherwise I could find a way to stand by and be a silent witness. But I get where your coming from. Like watching a movie and I'd be the only chance for justice later...It'd be impossible to watch the murder of a child. I cannot in my human mind fathom it. Could any of us fathom it.

No, and I withdraw the whole post. Sorry.

 

[coloradokares]

No, and I withdraw the whole post. Sorry.

Don't be sorry at all. It provoked a lot of thought. What would any of us do in that position. I started this with the time machine....if I could turn back time ...... I think we all would want to if it were in our power to do so. We also know that is not possible. But what would we if only we could... first save JonBenet... failing that find a way to seek justice for her....and that is what keeps us all here isn't it. To seek justice in the only way we know how? You are a good person Santos1014.

 

[Credence]

Colorado. I know this is not a popular theory right now. But a child this small when thrown with force could certainly have their head cracked, especially if thrown against a marble bathtub.

She was deliberately hit in the head with a blunt object. And the skull crack in her head is inconsistent with being thrown against a bathtub marble or not. jMO

 

[Ames]

She is tiny. She could have been thrown against the bathtub or the sink and yes that could do that to her skull.

Yep, I think it would too. Alot of people think that the flashlight did it...so I was trying to make it fit into my theory....LOL.

 

[Ames]

I have no problem with the crack in her head coming from a bathtub. Its the area there was a hole that I find .......troublesome, for lack of better wording. It could have been either. Wouldn't you love to have a time machine and go back and look at everything in that house for something that could have done that in one blow or force induced fall.

If I had a time machine...I would go back and prevent that crime from ever happening.....period.

 

[JMO8778]

But had I been in the first officer to arrives position or Linda Arndts place. I'd like to think evidence would not have been tainted and cuffs would have gone on.

oohhh me too !! If I'd been LA,there is little doubt in my mind that I'd have been angry enough to CORNER those two and find out WHY THE HECK THEY WERENT UPSET THAT THE KN'S DIDNT CALL !!! As far as letting JR out of my site..he'd have had to pry me off his heels with a crowbar !!!

 

[Credence]

The flashlight was wiped down and left on the kitchen counter on purpose. This child was thrown against a hard surface such as the bathtub or the edge of the sink. The batteries in the flashlight are wiped down purposely to throw the police off and left on the table on purpose.

She did not fall. She was deliberately hit on the head.

From autopsy report:
II. Craniocerebral injuries
A. Scalp contusion
B. Linear, comminuted fracture of right side of skull
C. Linear pattern of contusions of right cerebral
hemisphere
D. Subarachnoid and subdural hemorrhage
E. Small contusions, tips of temporal lobes


When violent force is applied to the skull, some part of skull may break into pieces or fragments to form comminuted fracture of the skull. Comminuted fracture may develop by impact of one blow or repeated blows.

 

[Solace]

She did not fall. She was deliberately hit on the head.

From autopsy report:
II. Craniocerebral injuries
A. Scalp contusion
B. Linear, comminuted fracture of right side of skull
C. Linear pattern of contusions of right cerebral
hemisphere
D. Subarachnoid and subdural hemorrhage
E. Small contusions, tips of temporal lobes


When violent force is applied to the skull, some part of skull may break into pieces or fragments to form comminuted fracture of the skull. Comminuted fracture may develop by impact of one blow or repeated blows.

Credence: IMO, this injury could have occurred with JB being violently swung and loses her footing and her head smacks against the edge of the sink or the edge of the bathtub. Comminuted fracture "may" develop by impact of "one" blow or repeated blows.

This is a rage killing and Patsy frantically tried to wake her when she heard that crack which was, more than likely, LOUD, and completely freaked out at what she had done and those marks on JB are inprints of Patsy's rings. She was very angry that night and exhausted and more than likely was medicating herself. She did it.

 

[Ames]

She did not fall. She was deliberately hit on the head.

From autopsy report:
II. Craniocerebral injuries
A. Scalp contusion
B. Linear, comminuted fracture of right side of skull
C. Linear pattern of contusions of right cerebral
hemisphere
D. Subarachnoid and subdural hemorrhage
E. Small contusions, tips of temporal lobes


When violent force is applied to the skull, some part of skull may break into pieces or fragments to form comminuted fracture of the skull. Comminuted fracture may develop by impact of one blow or repeated blows.

An impact can be from either a hard object coming in contact with her head...OR from her head coming in contact with a hard object....either/or. Where in the autopsy report, does it say that she was deliberately hit on the head??

 

[Ames]

Credence: IMO, this injury could have occurred with JB being violently swung and loses her footing and her head smacks against the edge of the sink or the edge of the bathtub. Comminuted fracture "may" develop by impact of "one" blow or repeated blows.

This is a rage killing and Patsy frantically tried to wake her when she heard that crack which was, more than likely, LOUD, and completely freaked out at what she had done and those marks on JB are inprints of Patsy's rings. She was very angry that night and exhausted and more than likely was medicating herself. She did it.

You darn right...she DID IT. And those marks could have been either made by Patsy's rings....before JB died...while she was bunching her collar up around her neck (which I believe happened while she was wearing the RED TURTLENECK)...OR...it could have happened when she was freaking out and trying to revive her. But, yes...I believe that Patsy's rings made the marks...and that Patsy did it. Not a shadow of a doubt in my mind.

 

[icedtea4me]

She did not fall. She was deliberately hit on the head.

I agree. It would be rather awkward for a fracture on top of the skull to have come from being thrown against a sink or a tub for JonBenet would have instinctively thrown her arms in front of her to prevent her head from getting hurt. Now, if the fracture had been on the back of the skull, then I could see the possibility of her having been thrown against a sink or a tub.


-Tea

 

[Solace]

I agree. It would be rather awkward for a fracture on top of the skull to have come from being thrown against a sink or a tub for JonBenet would have instinctively thrown her arms in front of her to prevent her head from getting hurt. Now, if the fracture had been on the back of the skull, then I could see the possibility of her having been thrown against a sink or a tub.


-Tea

Tea, I think the back portion of her head hit the surface first and it split from there. This had to be a huge cracking sound. She is a tiny little girl. I could do incredible damage to a child if I flung her especially against a marble sink or bathtub. And from the imprint of her jewelry (I believe this theory), Patsy was doing a great job of throwing her around and the rage overtook, just like the rage overtook in the Jeffrey MacDonald case and he killed his family. She slammed her hard and convinced herself that it was not what she meant to do, and therefore she is innocent.

I always thought, well it is hard to believe that Patsy would kill her daughter if she were just unconscious, but if Patsy heard that loud cracking sound and then shook her frantically - which someone did, per the bruising - she could easily believe she killed her.

 

[icedtea4me]

Tea, I think the back portion of her head hit the surface first and it split from there.

But what about the contusion that went from the right frontal area, through the parietal region, and into the occipital region? If only the back portion of her head had been hit, then there wouldn't be any contusion on the frontal area.


-Tea

 

[Ames]

But what about the contusion that went from the right frontal area, through the parietal region, and into the occipital region? If only the back portion of her head had been hit, then there wouldn't be any contusion on the frontal area.


-Tea

I seriously believe that she was hit more than once. After the first head blow...by being thrown into the side of the sink or tub....and Patsy thought that she was dead. I think that another head blow was caused by either John or Patsy...probably John....as part of the staging. (Just in case the ME looked at the skull, and thought that it could be consistant with being slammed into a tub or sink). I believe that maybe a second or even a THIRD blow could have been done...to throw off the ME. If JB had of had a fracture that would have been consistant with being thrown into a tub or sink...and nothing else, then how would that have played into the "intruder" theory? That would have REALLY made the Ramsey's look guilty...and I am sure they would have been arrested after the autopsy was performed.

 

[icedtea4me]

I seriously believe that she was hit more than once. After the first head blow...by being thrown into the side of the sink or tub....and Patsy thought that she was dead. I think that another head blow was caused by either John or Patsy...probably John....as part of the staging. (Just in case the ME looked at the skull, and thought that it could be consistant with being slammed into a tub or sink). I believe that maybe a second or even a THIRD blow could have been done...to throw off the ME. If JB had of had a fracture that would have been consistant with being thrown into a tub or sink...and nothing else, then how would that have played into the "intruder" theory? That would have REALLY made the Ramsey's look guilty...and I am sure they would have been arrested after the autopsy was performed.

The skull fracture was a continuous 8.5 inches. It would be impossible for anyone to add another few inches or so onto an already existing skull fracture to make it longer, even if there was an x-ray machine in the home.

http://www.acandyrose.com/01301997warrant.htm

At approximately 14:00 hours on December 27, 1996 Your Affiant was called by Det. Arndt. Detective Arndt stated she was present when Dr. Meyer, as part of the autopsy procedure on JonBenet, examined the skull of the child. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer said that the right side of JonBenet Ramsey's skull had a linear fracture which ran the entire length of the skull, measuring 8.5" in length front to rear. Detective Arndt told me that Dr. Meyer said he observed recent fresh hemorrhage to the brain consistent with the skull fracture line and running its entire length, and that there was a rectangular shaped displaced piece of skull measuring 1.75" x .5". Detective Arndt stated that the placement of bruising and the skull fracture on the same side of the child's skull, in the opinion of Dr. Meyer, was consistent with a blow to the head.

-Tea

 

[Toltec]

The force of the blow caused an eight-inch fracture reaching all the way to the orbital region.

That is one ferocious blow to the head. Patsy's state of mind caused the blow to JonBenet's head. The crack heard by Patsy put her into self-preservation mode, hence the staging.

The temporal lobe bruising is a mystery in that did Patsy shake JonBenet before striking her or was the bruising after-the-fact?

 

[Solace]

But what about the contusion that went from the right frontal area, through the parietal region, and into the occipital region? If only the back portion of her head had been hit, then there wouldn't be any contusion on the frontal area.


-Tea

Why not? The injury is starting below her ear where there is a rectangular piece missing, this is where the blow originated and if I am correct the rest of the split stems from this blow. It is not a separate split in another part of the head, it is a continuation from this blow. I think she fell and it was a severe crack and it then split the rest of her skull. Geez.