GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #1

[Public_Hysteria]

I hope Carly is found alive, but sadly to say, I think we all know how this one is going to play out.

My thoughts are with her friends and family during this difficult time. :rose:

 

[lisser]

Not searching for someone who cared enough about you to drive out to help you on a dark night is, in my opinion, heartless to say the least.

I think he is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If he were searching, and found her or something related to her, I think people would automatically assume he knew where to look. Not searching makes people suspicious of why and he looks like a jerk. He looks bad either way, imo.

I hope she is found soon, and that the truth about what happened comes out.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I think he is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If he were searching, and found her or something related to her, I think people would automatically assume he knew where to look. Not searching makes people suspicious of why and he looks like a jerk. He looks bad either way, imo.

I hope she is found soon, and that the truth about what happened comes out.

BBM: I know in some cases I have followed, they ask for people involved NOT to search, so there can be no question of impropriety if they turn up anything. By the same token, there are other things you can do to help with searches (man the water/food stations, thank people for their help, etc). This guy is in a bad situation for the plain and simple fact that if he had nothing to do with her disappearance, he also did not make sure that a person who came out in the dark to help him made it home safely. The fact that he "lost sight of her headlights" and sped up to get home makes him look like a jerk, IMO, so anything he does or says is not going to help. People who care about other people don't do things like that. He screwed up, and that part cannot be fixed.

 

[heartgoesout]

Damned if you do damned if you don't. I can think of so many situations where this rings true in life. But true character is displayed when you do the right thing. The right thing to do is brush off whatever anyone thinks and go search for the mother of your child. As the old saying goes, evil persists when good men do nothing.

 

[Mamamerced]

BBM: I know in some cases I have followed, they ask for people involved NOT to search, so there can be no question of impropriety if they turn up anything. By the same token, there are other things you can do to help with searches (man the water/food stations, thank people for their help, etc). This guy is in a bad situation for the plain and simple fact that if he had nothing to do with her disappearance, he also did not make sure that a person who came out in the dark to help him made it home safely. The fact that he "lost sight of her headlights" and sped up to get home makes him look like a jerk, IMO, so anything he does or says is not going to help. People who care about other people don't do things like that. He screwed up, and that part cannot be fixed.

And that disinterest alone makes him seem guilty.

 

[sayd]

What is in Nahikui. From what I can see on Google maps there doesn’t seem to be much there in the way of buildings and the Nahikui Road seems to be the only way in and out.

I would love to know exactly where the dog was found. I know they said something about the Markerplace in Nahiku but was that just the location where they picked up the dog or was that actually where she was found.

Since Nala was not dirty and did not have any cuts or scratches on her it would imply, at least to me that she had to have been dumped out of a vehicle directly in Nahikui or at least on the roadway to Nahiku.

Do we know if anyone has gone door to door asking if they heard or saw anything odd Sunday night or evening Monday morning.

I also would be asking specifically if anyone saw CS’s vehicle or the truck that SC had in the area as well as if they had seen SC in the area prior to Sunday evening. Sometimes, you get a better response by asking people what they say or heard in person, than waiting for them to call in a tip. Most people see and hear things, but dismiss it as not being important or possibly connected and others; especially older folks don’t want to “bother” the police with something they think is trivial.

From what I can tell on the satellite view from Google (I don’t have Google Earth, just the regular one) the area around Nahiku looks to be much flatter, with less steep hilly areas and a lot more flatter land that is directly accessible from the road way as well as shoreline areas than any other location along the Hana Highway.

I'm just a tourist from New Mexico, but I have driven the road to Hana a few too many times, because I love Maui and go there frequently. You look on the map, and think, "oh, we will be there in a few hours". ha. ha. ha. There are very few visible houses, and there is nothing flat about the entire road; it is the Long and Winding Road...

 

[TxLady2]

I think he is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If he were searching, and found her or something related to her, I think people would automatically assume he knew where to look. Not searching makes people suspicious of why and he looks like a jerk. He looks bad either way, imo.

I hope she is found soon, and that the truth about what happened comes out.

True!! No matter what he does, it is not going to set well with the public, because everyone's sights are set on him, since he was the last person known to have seen her. He knows this. And FWIW, at least he's smart enough to have figured that out. Plus, he isn't putting on a big show of caring, so at least he's honest.

As far as being heartless... yeah, in a way, but some men are like that, they just don't show their feelings. He had to have cared a little about her, to have occasionally hooked up with her for sex. Unless he's just one of those guys who can do it with anybody, just 'cause they're there.

As for the unborn child, who may or may NOT have been his... some guys do not develop feelings for their own kids until they are born. (Heck, some women don't either!) And with some, not even then, especially when they are not married to or living with the mother. That's just a fact of life. Does that make them heartless?? Yes, probably, but I would rather see a guy be honest about his feelings than to fake them and put on an act. That's just me.

Sorry if this is in disagreement with some of you, but in taking a long look at the facts and after reading what her family had to say about him... I'm not going to make up my mind about who is guilty right now. Just being practical, not jumping to conclusions till more is known.

 

[TxLady2]

BBM: I know in some cases I have followed, they ask for people involved NOT to search, so there can be no question of impropriety if they turn up anything. By the same token, there are other things you can do to help with searches (man the water/food stations, thank people for their help, etc). This guy is in a bad situation for the plain and simple fact that if he had nothing to do with her disappearance, he also did not make sure that a person who came out in the dark to help him made it home safely. The fact that he "lost sight of her headlights" and sped up to get home makes him look like a jerk, IMO, so anything he does or says is not going to help. People who care about other people don't do things like that. He screwed up, and that part cannot be fixed.

In most cases, LE prefers that family stay away from the searches, for very good reasons. This would probably include an ex b/f, IF LE feels they were emotionally attached. However... since he doesn't show much feeling about her, the choice would probably be his alone. If someone insists on searching, they can't stop them, but they do usually advise against it.

BUT... how do we know for sure he hasn't searched? If there is a statement in the news regarding him not searching, I have not seen it.

I do agree that he is a jerk for not making sure she was okay and made it home. And for ever calling her out for help in the first place, but maybe he is just a jerk, period, or she was the only one he could locate right then. IDK, but sometimes it can appear to be so obvious, until it turns out to be someone or something altogether different. You never know.

 

[Mamamerced]

Does anyone know of other possible suspects? I read somewhere today that a search is being convened in Hana.

 

[heartgoesout]

There are reports that he has searched on his own but stopped because of hostility. Let's face it, what parents are ok with a 5 year on again, off again relationship that ends up in pregnancy and the guy doesn't give a crap about your daughter in a traditional sense. Then to make matters worse, your daughter goes missing and the guy that's already a loser in their eyes is the last one to see her, after she helped him out and he never checked on her after he lost sight of her. Dad says it's best they don't talk to SC, probably not because they believe he is guilty or not but they already didn't care for him. The family has enough dignity to publicly come out and say some supportive things about him. Good for them for taking the high road. This guy is every parents worse nightmare.

 

[Mamamerced]

There are reports that he has searched on his own but stopped because of hostility. Let's face it, what parents are ok with a 5 year on again, off again relationship that ends up in pregnancy and the guy doesn't give a crap about your daughter in a traditional sense. Then to make matters worse, your daughter goes missing and the guy that's already a loser in their eyes is the last one to see her, after she helped him out and he never checked on her after he lost sight of her. Dad says it's best they don't talk to SC, probably not because they believe he is guilty or not but they already didn't care for him. The family has enough dignity to publicly come out and say some supportive things about him. Good for them for taking the high road. This guy is every parents worse nightmare.

Yes, SC has single-handedly turned the spotlight directly on himself by virtue of being so insensitive, if not for being the perp.

 

[cebee]

I am curious about the pregnancy- whether it was an 'oops', or intentional on her part ( to keep him?) or a conscious agreement between them as she wanted a child, and he agreed to be a sperm donor so to speak. Was he ok with the state of affairs? Was he feeling pressured to provide for the child?

If she was pressuring him to take responsibility for the child, I could see that being a motivation. If he just agreed to help her conceive, and no further responsibility on his part, that may be a different story.

 

[Lilibet]

I am curious about the pregnancy- whether it was an 'oops', or intentional on her part ( to keep him?) or a conscious agreement between them as she wanted a child, and he agreed to be a sperm donor so to speak. Was he ok with the state of affairs? Was he feeling pressured to provide for the child?

If she was pressuring him to take responsibility for the child, I could see that being a motivation. If he just agreed to help her conceive, and no further responsibility on his part, that may be a different story.

BBM

I don't know about Hawaii, but in most states the sperm donor cannot opt out of support, especially if the mother ever applies for government benefits for her child. JMO

 

[Seajay]

BBM

I don't know about Hawaii, but in most states the sperm donor cannot opt out of support, especially if the mother ever applies for government benefits for her child. JMO

IA. Unless it goes through courts that the sperm donor will not be held legally responsible for the support or care of the child, he's locked in for 18 years.

I remember the case of the lesbian couple who found a sperm donor to impregnate one of them so they could have a child to build their family. When the union fell apart, the mother of the child came back on the sperm donor for child support. And the courts ruled in her favor, he was the biological father of that child.

 

[cebee]

BBM

I don't know about Hawaii, but in most states the sperm donor cannot opt out of support, especially if the mother ever applies for government benefits for her child. JMO

True... assuming the mother will say who the father is. Knew a gal who would not name the father of her child, since she did not want him 'mad' at her... as far as I know, if you dont name a father, they cant go around DNA testing to find out... Not sure if a lot of people know the laws either...

Still wonder if he was angry about the child or not...

 

[hambirg]

I'd like to know SC's reasons for having to borrow a friend's truck and drive up Hana Hwy with it. It's suspect to me. Usually, if someone has to borrow a friend's truck it's because they have to haul something. . .not to take a scenic drive. Idk, I'm not local. Is there some reason idk that someone would have to borrow a truck to drive up Hana?

 

[TxLady2]

Thank you for that information as there is such a dearth of released facts with this case. How is it possible the police haven't processed the truck, yet!? Do they have so much other evidence they don't need the truck? Short-staffed? Disorganized? It must be very dismaying to the family.

Not processed it, or not finished processing it? It takes time to go over the whole thing with a fine-tooth comb. It is also possible that small of a PD doesn't have the facilities or technicians in their own dept. so had to send it to some other city's facility. Could be several reasons, but they do take their time.

 

[julieonmaui]

Not processed it, or not finished processing it? It takes time to go over the whole thing with a fine-tooth comb. It is also possible that small of a PD doesn't have the facilities or technicians in their own dept. so had to send it to some other city's facility. Could be several reasons, but they do take their time.

As in not even come to the house to look at the truck. Nothing.:banghead:

 

[Mamamerced]

As in not even come to the house to look at the truck. Nothing.:banghead:

WOW. That's a bit much to take in. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the investigation. Has the MPD justified their non-action in any way? Sounds like corruption has snaked-in or inefficiency rules. Do you know if anyone has publicly asked "why not"?
Are they looking at any other "POI"?
Hope this doesn't go the way of other east side cases.
:notgood::notgood::notgood::maddening:

 

[julieonmaui]

WOW. That's a bit much to take in. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the investigation. Has the MPD justified their non-action in any way? Sounds like corruption has snaked-in or inefficiency rules. Do you know if anyone has publicly asked "why not"?
Are they looking at any other "POI"?
Hope this doesn't go the way of other east side cases.
:notgood::notgood::notgood::maddening:

Last Thursday at the kihei community association meeting the question about the truck was asked to both Detectives and the police chief. They gave a generic answer about following up on leads from the community....... I wish I could understand their concern or lack there of