GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[heartgoesout]

Quoted from Pua "I don't see this personality as ever being likely to show compassion for the family by revealing the location. The only way he would is if he believes the knowledge will hurt them more. He will never want to help heal them."

Interesting point. I wonder if the family is in a place to try a little reverse psychology on Steven? The story of Br'er Rabbit comes to mind. Something like, we are finally at peace and our comfort comes from remembering Charli as we knew her and now nothing would hurt more than finding out the details of her death and certainly knowing the location would weaken us more and set us back indefinitely in our recovery. Would him reading or hearing that somewhere dig an irritation so deep and haunt him enough to give up, even if in clues, to their location?

 

[heartgoesout]

I scanned the thread too and didn't see the name either. Nikki has a great point about revisiting those earlier posts.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

I know he doesn't show any signs of remorse. Dude has a smirk on his face. So did one of his family members. She seemed to revel in the fact that Steven was a bad boy.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

I'm pleased you're back posting, Nikki. I miss that community input so much.

Aww. *hugs* Hi Mama. 😊

 

[heartgoesout]

I know he doesn't show any signs of remorse. Dude has a smirk on his face. So did one of his family members. She seemed to revel in the fact that Steven was a bad boy.

I've wondered if anyone shows up and sits on his side.

 

[puakenikeni]

I've wondered if anyone shows up and sits on his side.

I believe they have at prior hearings, sitting close to where the Scott family sat, behind them I think, in the same camera shot. The capability of families to support his high here. I remember some cases where sons had done extremely heinous and cruel violent crimes, where the family cried on camera for their poor child, the murderer.

 

[puakenikeni]

Aww. *hugs* Hi Mama. 

Absolutely, Nikki, please please keep sharing and posting.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

I believe they have at prior hearings, sitting close to where the Scott family sat, behind them I think, in the same camera shot. The capability of families to support his high here. I remember some cases where sons had done extremely heinous and cruel violent crimes, where the family cried on camera for their poor child, the murderer.

You know Pua, I was talking to my mom about this very thing last night. There are "badies" in every family. And the family members showing up for defendants are demonstrating unconditional love. I watched Steven's grandmother sit there, stoic and dignified with an enormous burden on her heart. Her grandson has been accused of taking two lives and there's a good chance he's going to prison for a long time. Perhaps his family's support isn't so much in favor of the crimes he committed but instead as a gesture to the rest of us that they're hurting and grieving too. Charli's death is a tragedy for a lot of families.

 

[heartgoesout]

I listened to the mother of the young man that murdered my uncle ask for leniency at his sentencing as tears streamed down her face. She cried for him, she cried for us, she cried to understand and cope herself.
She apologized to us outside of the courtroom for what her son had done.

Senseless, surreal, so many lives affected.

 

[Kapua]

Steven skyping Cass at 2am is just heresay correct? We do not have confirmation that he skyped her at all that night, much less that it was a nightly ritual.

Because if there was no so-called skyping, then he had all night to get himself together.

That information came from a poster whom many of us believe to be Charli's sister, Brooke. She wasn't/isn't a verified insider @ Websleuths. I don't recall any mainstream media mention of his nightly girlfriend-calling ritual, nor confirmation that he actually placed a call to his girlfriend at 2 AM. So yes, hearsay at this point, unless someone can find a mainstream media link. We will have to wait for the phone records to be entered as evidence in the trial.

 

[Kapua]

You know Pua, I was talking to my mom about this very thing last night. There are "badies" in every family. And the family members showing up for defendants are demonstrating unconditional love. I watched Steven's grandmother sit there, stoic and dignified with an enormous burden on her heart. Her grandson has been accused of taking two lives and there's a good chance he's going to prison for a long time. Perhaps his family's support isn't so much in favor of the crimes he committed but instead as a gesture to the rest of us that they're hurting and grieving too. Charli's death is a tragedy for a lot of families.

I totally agree. A former co-worker of mine had a troubled son who was into drugs and petty crimes. He went to court to support his son more than once during the time that we worked together. The last time, his son and a friend of his robbed and killed two people. My former co-worker hired a lawyer and went to court with his son. I know that he was heartbroken by what his son had done. But in the end, he did what he felt a parent should do.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

I totally agree. A former co-worker of mine had a troubled son who was into drugs and petty crimes. He went to court to support his son more than once during the time that we worked together. The last time, his son and a friend of his robbed and killed two people. My former co-worker hired a lawyer and went to court with his son. I know that he was heartbroken by what his son had done. But in the end, he did what he felt a parent should do.

I also think the family being in court holds the criminal accountable for his crimes. It's a way of saying, "you do the crime, you do the time." So good! Let them feel the shame of their family.

 

[puakenikeni]

I'm not condemning or judging SC's family for going to court. The question was asked if he had anyone who would go, and I was answering yes. My more negative tone was referring back to what Nikki said about the particular one who smirked and seemed to revel in his bad boy status. That's a whole other animal than the stoic grandmother.

Of the other cases in Hawai'i I mentioned, one was an ex who shot the mother of his toddler in the head (IIRC) in front of his very young son, then threw her body in her car and torched it before taking the kid. He was arrested almost immediately and arraigned while the brutal crime was very fresh, and there was no doubt he did it. Given what he had done to their DIL and grandchild, I thought maybe the parents could have been less supportive.

My kids are far from perfect and so am I, but there is a line where I would say they went too far if it came to that. Bearing the burden of the family shame is a whole other thing. It's not being upset and ashamed that I have a problem with, unless they sincerely believe he is possibly innocent.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

Well the blond in court, the aunt (?) kept looking over at the Scott family with a smug grin. Was she waiting for them to make eye contact with her? Her posture was flippant and casual, she had her arms over the bench in front of her. The other time she came she had two little girls with her and by george if she didn't let them call out to Steven every couple of minutes. My impression was that she had no respect for the court and if she is who I believe she is, she's been in and out of the judicial system herself.

I don't mean to put her on blast, she's not the one on trial.

 

[heartgoesout]

It's the judge's courtroom and the judge should end that behavior immediately.

I've been in the courtroom for a murder. In my experience it was surreal, sterile, and quiet, (it is hard to hear and concentrate on whats going on). To allow children to interrupt is beyond disrespectful, not to mention impairs journalists from reporting. If it was me I'd insist the disruption be handled.

I can see a distraught, heartbroken parent blinded by emotion over reason and supporting their child, that's human nature. Regardless, an obvious smug relative should be escorted out.

 

[Mamamerced]

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Well the blond in court, the aunt (?) kept looking over at the Scott family with a smug grin. Was she waiting for them to make eye contact with her? Her posture was flippant and casual, she had her arms over the bench in front of her. The other time she came she had two little girls with her and by george if she didn't let them call out to Steven every couple of minutes. My impression was that she had no respect for the court and if she is who I believe she is, she's been in and out of the judicial system herself.

I don't mean to put her on blast, she's not the one on trial.

Thanks for the court snapshot, NL. Perhaps the "blond" truly believes SC is innocent or it's an "Us vs. Them" attitude.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

I'm giving a homework assignment to everyone - post what you think what happened to Charli that Sunday and where you think she is. Please don't agree with anyone else's post. Just reply with what your own gut instinct tells you. Even if we get some facts incorrect, it would be good to get straightforward feedback from the Charli Thread regulars.

Mamamerced
Heartgoesout
Puakenikeni
Rundasurf
Peter Tosh
Kapua
Loio
Napili

Have a safe weekend - hug and kiss someone today!

 

[Kapua]

I'm giving a homework assignment to everyone - post what you think what happened to Charli that Sunday and where you think she is. Please don't agree with anyone else's post. Just reply with what your own gut instinct tells you. Even if we get some facts incorrect, it would be good to get straightforward feedback from the Charli Thread regulars.

Mamamerced
Heartgoesout
Puakenikeni
Rundasurf
Peter Tosh
Kapua
Loio
Napili

Have a safe weekend - hug and kiss someone today!

Here's my gut instinct working from the few verified facts that we have.

Facts:
Charli was last seen at her sister's house in Makawao at 8 PM or so on a Sunday.
Steven and Charli live in Haiku.
Charli's dog, Nala was with her.
Charli's dog, Nala was found in Nahiku Monday morning in good shape.
Charli's stripped and burned vehicle was found at Jaws on Wednesday.
Charli's clothes were found at Honomanu on Thursday.
SC started work at 7 AM at Mana Foods in Paia on Monday.

That's a lot of territory to cover. My biggest question is: Did he make one trip or more down Hana Hwy to 1) drop Nala off 2) do the deed, leave the clothes, and dispose of Charli and Joshua's remains, and 3) strip and burn the vehicle?

Here's my second biggest question. If he attempted to hurt Charli in Nala's presence, the dog would have attacked him, IMHO. Even the mellowest dog in the world will not sit still while you ruthlessly murder it's owner. So he had to separate Charli and Nala. How did he do that?

OK theories. First, the multiple trips theory: He persuaded Charli to leave Nala at his house to play with his dog while the two of them went for a drive to Honomanu. After he did the deed, he drove back to his place, picked up Nala, and then dropped her off in Nahiku. Then he stripped and burned the vehicle and walked home.

Single trip theory: He drugged Charli. Put something in her drink to make her fall asleep. SC, Charli and Nala went for a drive; Charli fell asleep on the way. He let Nala out of the car in Nahiku, drove back to Honomanu, did the deed, burned the vehicle.

In both cases, I believe that the murders took place in Honomanu and that the bodies are in the ocean.

 

[puakenikeni]

What a great assignment. I will work on mine. I think that is an excellent set of theories, Kapua.
You transposed a couple of locations and might want to edit (or not).
Steven C and Brooke S lived in Haiku, and the birthday party where Charli was last seen was in Haiku. Charli lived in Makawao.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

Kapua you think they went into the ocean because it's a done-in-one type thing? I would be afraid of their bodies washing up on shore.