GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #4

[Coldpizza]

It kicks me out, too. Short timeout... I recommend that you write your post in MS Word, or Notepad, or Wordpad and then login and copy/paste.
Don't give up on us, we need fresh opinions.

Make sure to click on the remember me box when you log in then you won't get timed out.

 

[Kapua]

Thanks, Coldpizza, that did the trick for me!

First news about what happened @ trial yesterday:
http://www.mauinews.com/page/conten...ellphone-ping-to-a-grim-discovery.html?nav=10

They usually take Thursday off. Maybe we will have live streaming on Monday... Fingers crossed.

 

[puakenikeni]

Thanks for the reminder. Nicely put

Thanks! As for Steven, the only one shirt thing is now ridiculous after two weeks and counting. I hope that thing gets washed, or it could explain his hand over his mouth.
at least people are not wearing shirts with pics of Steven's face superimposed onto a monster or machete wielding devil, or drawings of him stabbing an unborn child. That would be prejudicial ... Albeit true.
maybe some T-shirts of his Facebook posts for those outside the court, or the skull drawing or his more outrageous meme posts.

 

[Kapua]

Yesterday's trial news from Maui Now:
http://mauinow.com/2016/07/21/capobianco-murder-trial-day-14-evidence-handed-over-to-police/

 

[heartgoesout]

Why is Johnny yelling about the evidence PW, MW and MJ brought back to the house seem to be a focus?

 

[Napili]

(I feel very uncertain, because there is so much to follow -- between testimony, news recaps, reference materials & old & new posts here, but, some thoughts here... Forgive, please, if my jumping in is either stating the obvious or going over passé material.)

First, it seems that the small boar, which (someone stated) doesn't ordinarily frequent that area, could have been brought in and slaughtered to create a stench, designed to cover the smell of decomposing bodies.

And, the articles were actually extremely hard to find-- much harder & more hidden that we had previously understood.

So, that leads me to wonder --have I missed mention of anyone looking inside the refrigerator at paraquats...?

I'm adding this, because of course, the police must have searched inside the refer.. Did Loo mention that?

 

[Kapua]

(I feel very uncertain, because there is so much to follow -- between testimony, news recaps, reference materials & old & new posts here, but, some thoughts here... Forgive, please, if my jumping in is either stating the obvious or going over passé material.)

First, it seems that the small boar, which (someone stated) doesn't ordinarily frequent that area, could have been brought in and slaughtered to create a stench, designed to cover the smell of decomposing bodies.

And, the articles were actually extremely hard to find-- much harder & more hidden that we had previously understood.

So, that leads me to wonder --have I missed mention of anyone looking inside the refrigerator at paraquats...?

I'm adding this, because of course, the police must have searched inside the refer.. Did Loo mention that?

Re: the boar, Molly testified that the odor of the decomposing boar was very different from the odor on the blanket and Max testified that he "continued searching about 50 yards up the river towards the bridge and noticed that there was a decomposing boar that appeared to have been there for “for a long time.” So I'm guessing that it was not brought in to cover the other smell.

I also took note of the fact that the articles were 25 feet away from the road (except for the Twilight CD), and in heavy brush. So based on that, I am going back to my "not staged" theory. If you are going to stage a crime scene, stage in a more accessible area and closer to a road. Why he didn't dispose of them better is a mystery, though. One that we will probably never solve.

You are the first person to mention looking in the refrigerator to the best of my knowledge. Seems like an obvious thing to do, though.

 

[puakenikeni]

Why is Johnny yelling about the evidence PW, MW and MJ brought back to the house seem to be a focus?

Just a guess on my part, but maybe to highlight that an older more experienced person thought they were contaminating or mishandling the evidence. ??

 

[puakenikeni]

(I feel very uncertain, because there is so much to follow -- between testimony, news recaps, reference materials & old & new posts here, but, some thoughts here... Forgive, please, if my jumping in is either stating the obvious or going over passé material.)

First, it seems that the small boar, which (someone stated) doesn't ordinarily frequent that area, could have been brought in and slaughtered to create a stench, designed to cover the smell of decomposing bodies.

And, the articles were actually extremely hard to find-- much harder & more hidden that we had previously understood.

So, that leads me to wonder --have I missed mention of anyone looking inside the refrigerator at paraquats...?

I'm adding this, because of course, the police must have searched inside the refer.. Did Loo mention that?

that is so odd no one has mentioned it, good catch. Abandoned appliances are sadly a staple of the jungle and any vacant areas in Hawaii. It's a rampant problem and not suspicious by itself. But search it in case he/they decided to leave something in it.

Your ideas are always interesting, napili, we are all going over old ground at this point but that's not a bad thing. Search until we find.

 

[puakenikeni]

Re: the boar, Molly testified that the odor of the decomposing boar was very different from the odor on the blanket and Max testified that he "continued searching about 50 yards up the river towards the bridge and noticed that there was a decomposing boar that appeared to have been there for “for a long time.” So I'm guessing that it was not brought in to cover the other smell.

I also took note of the fact that the articles were 25 feet away from the road (except for the Twilight CD), and in heavy brush. So based on that, I am going back to my "not staged" theory. If you are going to stage a crime scene, stage in a more accessible area and closer to a road. Why he didn't dispose of them better is a mystery, though. One that we will probably never solve.

You are the first person to mention looking in the refrigerator to the best of my knowledge. Seems like an obvious thing to do, though.

yes, we have learned that the early descriptions really gave an inaccurate sense of how the evidence was found, not intentionally I'm sure. None of the people who knew were allowed to talk about it, so not surprising.

For example, it appears the blanket and hoodie/pants and tape may have been thrown in the stream to be disposed of. HGO even asked about that this week. Funny, and I said that's risky because stuff gets caught on branches and debris, which may have been what happened. (I have owned land on a stream and seen how this happens.).
Then the clothes seem to be a whole other deal, and yet another scene where there is evidence of a struggle (hair-pulling maybe) and chopping (ugh), and remains. It's just bizarre.

There are two pairs of men's pants discarded, which seems fishy. I still feel it could have been more than just Steven. Sometimes if two people are on a task and they don't communicate perfectly, things slip that if one person were on it wouldn't happen.

I wonder if Steven threw the blanket and stuff in the river when he went down the road on the Tuesday and maybe felt rushed doing something and just panicked and used what was easy, flowing water. I no longer feel like he had any kind of great plan, seems bungled except for the one fact that her body was mostly not found.

 

[Mamamerced]

Phaedra had testified she/they? stopped at the bridge one evening/night when they saw SC drive out of the Paraquats road, with his lights on, onto Hana Hwy where he stopped and briefly spoke with them regarding his searching down there and finding nothing. I wonder if SC heard them or saw them, as he was trying to hide/get rid of the evidence and that's why he rushed out leaving behind xposed evidence. Doubt it was staged.

 

[Kapua]

Why is Johnny yelling about the evidence PW, MW and MJ brought back to the house seem to be a focus?

Maybe the prosecution is planning to call Johnny next and they are laying a foundation? They could be following the evidence; determining who touched it before the police got there. As for the yelling in particular, the three who found the evidence hadn't followed the instructions not to touch anything and I am thinking that those instructions were given at the Haiku Community Center when the searchers checked in. And Molly testified that she hadn't checked in. So the prosecution will ask him what he was yelling about.

 

[Mamamerced]

I agree with you but will say there are many more family than " Aunt Susan " The guy is a weirdo. Nuff said.

How are you defining "family" in this case, ONIPAA1?

 

[heartgoesout]

Why would the prosecution repeatedly ask and point out that Johnny was yelling and throwing his arms up in anger about mishandling evidence? Seems to be driving the point evidence was mishandled and I don't understand why the prosecution would seemingly have that a focus? Rivera made it a point to have all three of them say johnnys reaction. I'm confused. Seems prosecution would want to downplay that.

 

[Mamamerced]

Why would the prosecution repeatedly ask and point out that Johnny was yelling and throwing his arms up in anger about mishandling evidence? Seems to be driving the point evidence was mishandled and I don't understand why the prosecution would seemingly have that a focus? Rivera made it a point to have all three of them say johnnys reaction. I'm confused. Seems prosecution would want to downplay that.

I agree with Pua in that it shows an older man with much more life experience being very distraught at the possible appearance of evidence mishandling/contamination. To me it underlines the naiveté/innocence of Phaedra, Molly and Max in regards to investigative techniques.

 

[Kapua]

yes, we have learned that the early descriptions really gave an inaccurate sense of how the evidence was found, not intentionally I'm sure. None of the people who knew were allowed to talk about it, so not surprising.

For example, it appears the blanket and hoodie/pants and tape may have been thrown in the stream to be disposed of. HGO even asked about that this week. Funny, and I said that's risky because stuff gets caught on branches and debris, which may have been what happened. (I have owned land on a stream and seen how this happens.).
Then the clothes seem to be a whole other deal, and yet another scene where there is evidence of a struggle (hair-pulling maybe) and chopping (ugh), and remains. It's just bizarre.

There are two pairs of men's pants discarded, which seems fishy. I still feel it could have been more than just Steven. Sometimes if two people are on a task and they don't communicate perfectly, things slip that if one person were on it wouldn't happen.

I wonder if Steven threw the blanket and stuff in the river when he went down the road on the Tuesday and maybe felt rushed doing something and just panicked and used what was easy, flowing water. I no longer feel like he had any kind of great plan, seems bungled except for the one fact that her body was mostly not found.

Yes, I totally agree with you about the blanket, hoodie, pants and tape being in the river and caught by the debris and about Steven not having a great plan. (I used to work by a river.) I also remain puzzled about the placement of the clothes. I think the clothing was removed to hasten decomposition (ugh, I hate getting into the gory stuff.) But why just put them on the ground under a tree? I think that SC might have left the CD there so that HE could find the clothes and get rid of them later. But why not get rid of all of the evidence Sunday night/Monday morning? He clearly did not expect the cell phone to give away the last location of Charli's cell phone, or for so many in the community to volunteer to search for her. I sure wish the police had found and recovered that cell phone! Did Charli normally carry a purse? Or did she keep her cell phone in her pocket or car? (I am surprised that the prosecution didn't ask the sisters if she had a purse with her that night, or if she normally carried one.)

The pants... God, I hope there was not another individual helping him, but you have to wonder. If it was just him and those are his pants, then he had 3 pair with him that night, or two pair pants and shorts. Seems odd for a guy who only has one shirt, LOL.

 

[Danta]

I recall Phaedra telling the prosec. that the reason they collected the evidence was because she was worried they could not find the evidence again. I remember Molly saying that they collected it (not out of innocence or knowledge of touching it) because they were worried that "someone" else would come and take it away and it would be gone. This reason for collecting the evidence themselves sounds very legitimate to me because so many other things including dear Charlie are missing. Also, the question of an accomplice is up in the air - so who knows. If that evidence went missing it would put a different light on everything. (I haven't been able to log in but finally got it squared away, thank you all for your hard work and diligence)

 

[Kapua]

I recall Phaedra telling the prosec. that the reason they collected the evidence was because she was worried they could not find the evidence again. I remember Molly saying that they collected it (not out of innocence or knowledge of touching it) because they were worried that "someone" else would come and take it away and it would be gone. This reason for collecting the evidence themselves sounds very legitimate to me because so many other things including dear Charlie are missing. Also, the question of an accomplice is up in the air - so who knows. If that evidence went missing it would put a different light on everything. (I haven't been able to log in but finally got it squared away, thank you all for your hard work and diligence)

Welcome, Danta, glad you could join us!

Now that we have Phaedra, Molly, and Max' testimonies, it is easier to understand why they decided to bring the evidence back. Phaedra's phone battery died sometime after she took the picture of the CD, Max didn't have his phone with him, there was no cell service anyway, and none for miles, it was dark, they were in a remote area, some of the evidence was in or partially in the river, and they were scared that the person(s) responsible might return. It would have taken them 45 minutes to reach the police and probably an hour for the police to get there, minimum. They made a judgment call. If we here on the board can understand that, I'm sure the jury can as well.

 

[puakenikeni]

Welcome, Danta, glad you could join us!

Now that we have Phaedra, Molly, and Max' testimonies, it is easier to understand why they decided to bring the evidence back. Phaedra's phone battery died sometime after she took the picture of the CD, Max didn't have his phone with him, there was no cell service anyway, and none for miles, it was dark, they were in a remote area, some of the evidence was in or partially in the river, and they were scared that the person(s) responsible might return. It would have taken them 45 minutes to reach the police and probably an hour for the police to get there, minimum. They made a judgment call. If we here on the board can understand that, I'm sure the jury can as well.

yes, totally makes sense now. Knowing that some was in the river really helps. Originally when they talked about concerns over washing away, I thought of the ocean tide or the river rising to cover an area of the ground, which could also happen but is more of a stretch than what we hear now.

And agree the concern of the killer's return was strong. No exaggeration there, very likely to happen once darkness fell and all the searchers packed it in for the day.

 

[puakenikeni]

Yes, I totally agree with you about the blanket, hoodie, pants and tape being in the river and caught by the debris and about Steven not having a great plan. (I used to work by a river.) I also remain puzzled about the placement of the clothes. I think the clothing was removed to hasten decomposition (ugh, I hate getting into the gory stuff.) But why just put them on the ground under a tree? I think that SC might have left the CD there so that HE could find the clothes and get rid of them later. But why not get rid of all of the evidence Sunday night/Monday morning? He clearly did not expect the cell phone to give away the last location of Charli's cell phone, or for so many in the community to volunteer to search for her. I sure wish the police had found and recovered that cell phone! Did Charli normally carry a purse? Or did she keep her cell phone in her pocket or car? (I am surprised that the prosecution didn't ask the sisters if she had a purse with her that night, or if she normally carried one.)

The pants... God, I hope there was not another individual helping him, but you have to wonder. If it was just him and those are his pants, then he had 3 pair with him that night, or two pair pants and shorts. Seems odd for a guy who only has one shirt, LOL.

Yes, why nothing about her phone and purse habits?
It seems clear that her phone was with her at the death spot, I mean the ping was not from the dirt road and led them off the road at the right spot.
I wonder if she managed to do something like toss her phone away as a marker, just spec but if he got that night, why did it stay on for a few days when he could power it down and/or throw it in the river or ocean?

I like the CD as marker, except Phaedra found it alone and a few minutes walk to the clothing spot. Could just possibly be a shiny breadcrumb from Charli?