GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

[Kapua]

The back way would give him the opportunity to stop off at his house, say "hi" to his grandfather, and get his bicycle for the ride back to his house from Jaws without backtracking.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

The back way would give him the opportunity to stop off at his house, say "hi" to his grandfather, and get his bicycle for the ride back to his house from Jaws without backtracking.

I'm wondering about Monday though. Did he take the back way on Monday evening as well, and is that where CS' dismembered body was finally disposed of?

 

[Kapua]

I'm wondering about Monday though. Did he take the back way on Monday evening as well, and is that where CS' dismembered body was finally disposed of?

Totally possible. What did SA Easter say about the Monday cell records?

 

[Kapua]

Evidence found at Nuaailua Bay described by police specialist

http://www.mauinews.com/page/conten...ay-described-by-police-specialist.html?nav=10

In addition to the blanket, skirt and tank top, the items turned over by the searchers included a pair of black jeans, a gray hooded sweatshirt and two rolls of masking tape, Earles said. He also received two containers of maggots that officer Christina Bonacorsi had recovered at the Haiku residence.

Earles said he did presumptive testing after seeing several stains on the blanket, as well as stains on the sweatshirt, tank top, skirt and jeans.

"The black skirt had reddish stains on it mainly on one side," Earles said.

He said the skirt also "had numerous holes in one region."

The stains "were on the same side as the holes," Earles said.

He said the sweatshirt had stains on the lower portions of its sleeves.

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After police officers found evidence at Nuaailua Bay on Feb. 14, 2014, police Special Response Team Sgt. Keola Tom said it was decided that trees in the area needed to be cleared so officers could see more of the ground as they searched the next day.

In cutting trees to clear the area, "it was explained to us that we're supposed to cut above the waist," Tom testified Wednesday.

He said he and other officers returned to Nuaailua Bay on March 4, 2014, to again search for evidence. Tom said he was standing by a tree next to a rock and looking up at leaves that seemed to be dying.

"I started looking at the bottom of the tree, and I saw these cut marks in the tree," he said. "It was at the bottom of the tree, and it was made in some unnatural fashion."

Tom said he also saw strands of reddish-colored hair in the tree.

Responding to a question submitted by a juror, Tom said the cuts that he made earlier to clear the area were "more sideways," compared to the cuts he saw that were lower and more "straight up and down" on the tree next to the rock.

 

[Kapua]

This pic shows the cuts in the tree. Courtesy Maui News.

 

[PeterTosh]

Those cuts look fresh. The tree is still pale under the bark. It looks like and up and down motion was used on the left side.

 

[PeterTosh]

Someone said Kaupo route isn't really on SC's radar but that's incorrect. There's a huge party beach spot along the back way, shortly after the road smoothes out (coming from Hana). It's right after that huge Grand Canyon looking crevasse. If he's supplying Molly, he knows Kaupo.

That roadside was part of my search area though not the Rave Grounds. They are about three acres of flat camp spots that used to be just for fishing before the Molly Experience came along.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Totally possible. What did SA Easter say about the Monday cell records?

Wait, let's see...

The light pair of soiled pants and zip-ties were found *north* of Nua'ailua on Hana Hwy. Assuming they were deposited there after visiting Nua'ailua, these light pants & zip-ties would have been tossed over the guardrail a few miles north of the Nua'ailua crime scene on either Sunday or Monday nights. But if we know that SC took the back way around the island on Sunday night, then that would mean he probably left the dark pants & gray hoodie at the crime scene that night, and on Monday he likely returned from Nua'ailua via Hana Hwy and deposited the light pants & zip ties.

So I'm assuming he did not take the back way around the island on Monday evening.

 

[Kapua]

Wait, let's see...

The light pair of soiled pants and zip-ties were found *north* of Nua'ailua on Hana Hwy. Assuming they were deposited there after visiting Nua'ailua, these light pants & zip-ties would have been tossed over the guardrail a few miles north of the Nua'ailua crime scene on either Sunday or Monday nights. But if we know that SC took the back way around the island on Sunday night, then that would mean he probably left the dark pants & gray hoodie at the crime scene that night, and on Monday he likely returned from Nua'ailua via Hana Hwy and deposited the light pants & zip ties.

So I'm assuming he did not take the back way around the island on Monday evening.

Excellent sleuthing, and I agree. I hope the prosecution has a theory as to why SC went toward Hana after murdering Charli and Joshua.

 

[EstrellaEspectral]

That roadside was part of my search area though not the Rave Grounds. They are about three acres of flat camp spots that used to be just for fishing before the Molly Experience came along.

Are you guys talking about Lone Keawe? I don't think you could be an ecstasy dealer on Maui and not know about that spot. I was taken to a party there a while back and there were a lot of young people on drugs. But that is a gorgeous spot late at night to watch the stars, as long as you don't have a meeting with any centipedes.

 

[EstrellaEspectral]

Now I'm really thinking about the road out to Kaupo. Have any searches been done out there? I have a hard time believing he would scatter her body in that distance, especially with the timeline we have, but could a spot over there be where she was murdered? I've been camping at Lone Keawe and whenever I've gone camping there seems to be quite a few people there, but there is a lot of ground to cover out that way. I'm a little confused by the timeline. They mentioned Kaupo in the phone records? Was that the night she went missing? Did he go through Kaupo on the way to Hana or on the way back?

 

[puakenikeni]

I have no reason to lie. And I have family in Hana, just now my family member in Hana ( is also police officer there) just texted me back. No gas when closed. Never has been.

Ive never seen a gas station able to pump gas when closed, wouldn't that be a HUGE liability? Spillage? Explosion? Etc

Yeah, it's just not done by any company here. When the station closes, the computer is shut down. When the computer is down, the card swipe will no longer function. There are numerous reasons not to allow unsupervised gas purchased, not the least of which are theft (employee and stranger) and danger of spillage/fire/explosion.

But let's just move on and not argue. It doesn't matter anyway, because SC was capable of having the necessary gas in one or more gas canisters. This was premeditated.

 

[Kapua]

Yeah, it's just not done by any company here. When the station closes, the computer is shut down. When the computer is down, the card swipe will no longer function. There are numerous reasons not to allow unsupervised gas purchased, not the least of which are theft (employee and stranger) and danger of spillage/fire/explosion.

But let's just move on and not argue. It doesn't matter anyway, because SC was capable of having the necessary gas in one or more gas canisters. This was premeditated.

It kind of matters, because we were trying to figure out why he went to Hana after the murders, which we assume took place in Nua'ailua. So if not for gas, WHY did SC go to Hana on 2/9?

 

[puakenikeni]

I too have thought of the Kipahulu Hwy from the get-go. It is a fascinating area, lonely as can be, so remote. I discounted my feelings about it under my tendency to like more complicated theories over the simple ones, with no evidence pointing to Kaupo.

However, there is good evidence that she was dismembered at Nua'ailua. There are strands of red hair embedded in a hacked base of a sapling by that rock, and the remains are scattered around. And he was driving when seen FROM Hana Highway towards Kaupo (although certainly could have turned around), and had a 9:49 phone ping from Keanae general area/Hana Highway, showing he was there in the early phase. Charli's phone ping at near 11PM was early enough from Nua'ailua that all points to the main crime going down there.

The evidence pointing towards Kaupo area, if any, would likely be relating to disposal of remains and evidence, which makes sense.
However, there's still the problem of not enough time for one person to kill and dismember and circle the island, and get that vehicle to Peahi by 12:30 AM.

 

[puakenikeni]

It kind of matters, because we were trying to figure out why he went to Hana after the murders, which we assume took place in Nua'ailua. So if not for gas, WHY did SC go to Hana on 2/9?

I asked that yesterday. I never thought he went there for gas. I have been to Hana and I know you can't get jack in the way of services at night. My yesterday post said something like, it was either 1) person or persons or 2) to hide evidence.
We actually have zero evidence he went TO Hana. He was seen driving THROUGH Hana on the main road, that is all. While he MAY well have been going TO Hana, we just don't know that for sure.

 

[RunDaSurf]

The timeline works easier if he only killed her Sunday night and came back Monday night to dismember

 

[RunDaSurf]

Maybe he thought Kaupo had no reception so his phone wouldn't be tracked that way?

 

[RunDaSurf]

Was he driving Charli's 4runner that night with extra cans of gas in it?

 

[Kapua]

I asked that yesterday. I never thought he went there for gas. I have been to Hana and I know you can't get jack in the way of services at night. My yesterday post said something like, it was either 1) person or persons or 2) to hide evidence.
We actually have zero evidence he went TO Hana. He was seen driving THROUGH Hana on the main road, that is all. While he MAY well have been going TO Hana, we just don't know that for sure.

To or through, it makes zero sense to me that he went in the direction of Hana following the murders which we assume based on evidence took place in the Nua'ailua Bay area. From there, the shortest route to Jaws is back the way he came. I have never been to Hana at night, so I have no opinion as to whether or not gas can or cannot be purchased there after 7:30-8:00. My focus is SC's reason for going that direction. He'd already picked a good place to commit the murders. Do you think that his purpose was to hide the bulk of Charli and Joshua's remains in a different location? Or to pick up Ecstasy to sell?

 

[Kapua]

Was he driving Charli's 4runner that night with extra cans of gas in it?

Probably not. He probably put gas in her car before they left Haiku if there was no gas available in East Maui after 8. If he planned to burn her car all along, he would have purchased a gas can or two. Also, he had 2 other vehicles from which he could have siphoned gas, not including his grandfather's truck. And then he picked up the gas cans, and possibly a bicycle (this is a wild assumption on my part) at his house on his way back the Kaupo way, before going to Jaws.