GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

[Mamamerced]

Moxie, thanks for the detailed theory. I tend to agree with you as I cannot picture SC defleshing (especially) the jaw at his leisure in the timeframe given in testimonies. And, again, Why would he have done that? Not for a keepsake, obviously. Your theory would also explain the scattering of fingernails/tips as he dragged her body.....to where? Do you envision the body piercing w/flesh attached (tongue?) to be be part of the decomposition, also? I can't forget SC saying that Charlie had a mouth on her which could explain such brutal rage to the head. I'm not so sure he didn't dismember her, though.

How would you propose Charli's body being in his vehicle? Do you think he moved it to, from, or around the Paraquats area?

I've too many unorganized thoughts/scenarios in my head right now which I'll blame on the stress of keeping up with 2 very young, very active grandsons.......trying to keep them from falling into the pond just off our deck and avoiding chance encounters with rattlesnakes.
Your theory feels right. It also makes it easier for me to see how SC could have been the sole perpetrator.

So glad you returned.

 

[heartgoesout]

And legally Charli's family cannot review any testimony to regroup and try to find her. I hope they're hanging in there ok. I can't imagine.

 

[puakenikeni]

Moxie, thanks for the detailed theory. I tend to agree with you as I cannot picture SC defleshing (especially) the jaw at his leisure in the timeframe given in testimonies. And, again, Why would he have done that? Not for a keepsake, obviously. Your theory would also explain the scattering of fingernails/tips as he dragged her body.....to where? Do you envision the body piercing w/flesh attached (tongue?) to be be part of the decomposition, also? I can't forget SC saying that Charlie had a mouth on her which could explain such brutal rage to the head. I'm not so sure he didn't dismember her, though.

How would you propose Charli's body being in his vehicle? Do you think he moved it to, from, or around the Paraquats area?

I've too many unorganized thoughts/scenarios in my head right now which I'll blame on the stress of keeping up with 2 very young, very active grandsons.......trying to keep them from falling into the pond just off our deck and avoiding chance encounters with rattlesnakes.
Your theory feels right. It also makes it easier for me to see how SC could have been the sole perpetrator.

So glad you returned.

I'm also super glad you came back, Moxie. Your detailed analysis is wonderful.

 

[Tssiemer]

Hold on. I think I'm going down the rabbit hole... Wasn't there a picture he posted that looked like a skull missing a jaw bone?


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[Napili]

Moxie, I'm retiring and putting my feet up. You expressed what I've been thinking so perfectly. I think the cops are wrong, if they're pursuing the dismemberment theory--but, of course, we'll be glad to see ANY theory that sticks & leads to the facts and a conviction. The Wednesday dragging & transporting of the body & leaving behind the most fragile remains, and why, seems most credible. Now, to go back and see if reconstructing his Wednesday & Thursday doings will shed any light on Charlie's whereabouts... It's all theory, but the noose is tightening....

 

[Kapua]

I don't like to speculate too much about this part of the crime, but I will say this: I think the cuts on that tree (see photo a couple of pages back) may have led the police to believe that Charli could have been dismembered. And those cuts were made be a fairly large, sharp blade.

 

[puakenikeni]

I don't like to speculate too much about this part of the crime, but I will say this: I think the cuts on that tree (see photo a couple of pages back) may have led the police to believe that Charli could have been dismembered. And those cuts were made be a fairly large, sharp blade.

yes, that is what I got from the testimony. Loo thought it was a machete chop (repeated).

I missed any testimony suggesting dragging. I thought this was dense jungle? It's pretty difficult to drag anything large through a heavily wooded area with stems and trunks growing up from the ground. If it is grassy terrain, I could see it. And even the grass in this area, the guinea grass aka cane grass, is covered in super irritating hairs that get all over you if you try to go through it and put you in a world of hurt. Did they find drag marks though?

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Thank you guys for your kind words.
I’m just happy and a bit surprised that people are thoroughly reading some of these looong posts of mine, and it’s nice to hear others have come to some of the same conclusions. It’s good to be back sleuthing with my fellow sleuthers.
BTW, I am not married to any of these ideas I am putting forth, my theory of what happened is always changing as more evidence comes into my awareness.

Just a few responses:

Puakenikeni: My post didn’t just address the fracturing of the jawbone, I also discussed the marks on the bone. The forensic pathologist was asked separately about how both the 6 incision marks and the square shaped seration pattern could have been made, and her response was the same for both: That there are two ways both marks could have been made - by 1) violent attacking with a sharp “tool,” or 2) by defleshing of the bone. I believe option 1 is the more likely option. The seration “scrape” would have come about with a serated blade sliding across the area of bone during the attack. I don’t think there’s reason to believe SC sat there defleshing a piece of bone since we know he moved fast, and we haven’t had any testimony that he was sufficiently weird to account for such an unusual act as careful defleshing.

Regarding the denuding of parts of the lower jawbone, we know that there were a lot of maggots, they were found both on the blanket and in an area on the ground IIRC. Flies lay their eggs inside of open wounds, the maggots hatch within a day and consume the rotting flesh very quickly. I think it’s very likely that the massive right-jaw injury was one of the areas where there were maggots and they consumed the “meat” on part of the jawbone. Besides maggots, there are also mongoose and rodents and various insects out there. And if Charli’s head was submerged in the water of the stream….I have personally been in streams and pools out Hana Hwy where there are tiny fish that crowd around your feet biting the dead skin off. It’s a strange, tickly feeling, I experienced it in a waterfall pool. And I also have seen little crawdads in a pool of water off Hana Hwy, near the old waterworks in the Waikamoi bamboo forest. My point is - totally aside from the pig issue - there are critters out there that would help in the removal of flesh, the most important being the maggots that were found.

Tracy: Since we don’t know anything about the provenance of the skull picture, it’s hard to draw any conclusions about it. A lot of skull artwork out there represents the skull without a lower jawbone, so I’m not sure that’s unique in any way. Since we know Steven posted the pic to his social media, I think the most we can say is that he was in a morbid frame of mind when he posted it. Anything else is pure conjecture. It’s possible that he saw Charli’s decomposed head with the lower jaw missing and it etched itself in his mind so that he sought out artwork that resonated with that mental image.

Kapua: To be honest, after watching just a few minutes of Det. Loo’s testimony, I could not go on. In that few minutes, he showed himself to be so imprecise and contradictory, his demeanor was very dull-minded and incommunicative. Not trying to offend people who have family in MPD, BUT…the MPD are widely thought on Maui to be corrupt, lazy, not-thorough, incompetent. They have dropped the ball on so many murder & missing person cases…I would not take their conclusions as the final word.

Maybe the tree marks came from a machete, maybe it came from a smaller knife. Maybe it came from a dismembering. But maybe it came from a knife attack that happened on the ground. Maybe the knife marks came about by trying to cut some of Charli’s hair that got wrapped around the sapling trunk at some point. All we know is that at some point, a sapling tree sustained some cutting with a blade of some kind.

In the scenario I currently envision, after attacking Charli's face & body, she was finally left stomach-down in some brush. He went back to the scene in the following days, perhaps only to make sure everything was still as he’d left it. On Wednesday, he moved the body. In my mind he pulled her by her legs and she was face-down. The knocking of the face against exposed roots, rocks, and branches would have enabled the lower jaw to simply come off due to the wound and skin slippage/decomposition in a wet environment. If there had been "dismemberment" to the limbs or trunk of a rapidly decomposing body, I believe there would have been a lot more biological material scattered about, rather than just the few items related to her lower facial wound.

MamaMerced mentioned the piercing. Have they talked about that in court? If so, I missed it. I know Charli had her tongue, nipples, and clitoris pierced. Do we know with certainty where the found piercing came from? If it was her tongue then I suggest that it was cut during the attack on Charli’s face/neck and fell out when Charli’s lower jaw fell off. (Ugh….)

I'm currently wondering:
Why were there TWO rolls of masking tape found together and BOTH rolls still had a little tape left on them. Does this imply an accomplice helping for the final disposal?

Why were Charli's clothes removed?

 

[Kapua]

Moxie, I disagree with you about Det. Loo. I really liked his approach and his local style. He succeeded in getting SC to lie repeatedly on tape. That's huge. As I have posted more than once, SC's own words will prove to be the best testimony against him.

My favorite part of the tapes was when Det. Loo told SC, "I want to believe you, I really really do" and SC said, "But it's your job not to, I understand." And then Loo comes back with "But the thing is, I've been doing this for a long time." ROTFLMAO. Priceless!

 

[Mamamerced]

Moxie, you mentioned SC bleaching his truck. In your speculations do you picture Charli's body in the truck at any time? Or, do you think he was using bleach because of possible transference from him, tools, tarp, etc?


I agree with Kapua about Det. Loo's cat and mouse play. He comes across as not too bright, I think, because he's not articulate, at least not on the stand. He doesn't seem to "think on his feet" very well and he comes across as a good-old-boy, but I think the intelligence is there. I am no fan of the MPD, either.


Good point about two unfinished rolls of tape

 

[RunDaSurf]

Moxie, I disagree with you about Det. Loo. I really liked his approach and his local style. He succeeded in getting SC to lie repeatedly on tape. That's huge. As I have posted more than once, SC's own words will prove to be the best testimony against him.

My favorite part of the tapes was when Det. Loo told SC, "I want to believe you, I really really do" and SC said, "But it's your job not to, I understand." And then Loo comes back with "But the thing is, I've been doing this for a long time." ROTFLMAO. Priceless!

If you didn't do it, and Det. Loo says "I want to believe you, I really do," You say something like "You should because I'm telling the truth!!!"
It's not the time to be so understanding no.
You say "I told the truth! I don't know what happen or where she is! We have to find her!"

But that's not what SC said. So understanding and calm. Agree his own words his own voice lying on those taped interviews is best testimony.

 

[Kapua]

The live stream is up on YouTube.

[video=youtube;u9inLCKRLx8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9inLCKRLx8[/video]

Patricia Gagne on the stand. General manager @ Mana Foods for 24 years, with special oversight of the bakery.

 

[Kapua]

Ms. Gagne is testifying about SC's hours between Feb 3 - Feb 16, 2014. Wednesday and Thursday were his days off - the 12th and the 13th.

Sunday 9: 6:53 in, 12:00 out, 12:30 in, 3:52 out
Monday 10: 6:56 in ,10:41 out, 11:13 in, 3:21 out
Tuesday 11: 6:57 in, 9:32 out, 10:00 in, 1:06out, 1:31 in 2:53 out
Wednesday and Thursday out.
Friday 14: 6:59 in, 7:02 out
Saturday 15 and Sunday 16 out.

 

[Mamamerced]

This court has so many recesses.

Kapua, are you watching now 2:00 pm Ca. Time? Says offline for me.

 

[Kapua]

This court has so many recesses.

Kapua, are you watching now 2:00 pm Ca. Time? Says offline for me.

I was able to watch that first clip and then... nothing.

It was good to get confirmation that Wednesday and Thursday were his days off, though. And we can see that he left at 2:53 on Tuesday.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Moxie, I disagree with you about Det. Loo. I really liked his approach and his local style. He succeeded in getting SC to lie repeatedly on tape. That's huge. As I have posted more than once, SC's own words will prove to be the best testimony against him.

My favorite part of the tapes was when Det. Loo told SC, "I want to believe you, I really really do" and SC said, "But it's your job not to, I understand." And then Loo comes back with "But the thing is, I've been doing this for a long time." ROTFLMAO. Priceless!

Det. Loo seems like a sweet & endearing person, I just like law enforcement people to be super-precise and conscientious about things. The defense asked him questions like "How many years..." and his answers were totally different than answers to the same questions that he'd previously supplied! I need to watch all of the footage, but what I've watched so far just made me cringe and did not inspire confidence in him.

LOL, that is funny though, the exchange between he and SC. My most LOL moments of the trial are from Apo:

(Fiona Wais makes a slight moaning sound on the stand)
Apo: "Miss Wais, are you drunk right now???"
LOL
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(to Phaedra) "Miss Wais, if I touch your nipples - "
"OBJECTION!"
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And this exchange is from MauiNow:

"Apo: “Was that your answer?”
Loo: “I can’t answer that.”
Apo: “Probably because you made it up, right?”
Loo: “Made what up?”
Apo: “Your testimony yesterday that you reviewed it in its entirety.”
"OBJECTION! Argumentative!"
Apo: “You’d agree with me that the accuracy of your testimony under oath is not a very important thing to you?”

LMAO

Moxie, you mentioned SC bleaching his truck. In your speculations do you picture Charli's body in the truck at any time? Or, do you think he was using bleach because of possible transference from him, tools, tarp, etc?

Yes, I believe it's likely that he would have had the body in the back of his truck when he removed it. I doubt he put it in the ocean at Paraquats...but who knows what the ultimate fate of the remains were. :-(

 

[Mamamerced]

Is there cell phone site testimony for SC's phone on Wed., 2/12/14? I only did a cursory search with no findings.
Seem's likely SC would have time to move Charli's body Wed. evening after Charli's car found at Jaws and searchers all headed over there.

 

[Maisiebelle]

I am just going through the media and timeline thread to try and get as much info as I can. Who is Taylor Farner?

 

[Kapua]

I am just going through the media and timeline thread to try and get as much info as I can. Who is Taylor Farner?

Taylor Farner is SC's ex. She was after Charli but before Cassie. They met through SC's cousin (Danielle?). Taylor was Danielle's best friend when they were juniors at Lahainaluna high school.

Taylor's testimony is important because she texted SC repeatedly the night of Feb. 9. And because she met him between 12 AM and 2 AM on Feb 10.

 

[heartgoesout]

I need to notify I mod to delete all the timelines I did except the last one which is the most up to date. How do I go about that?