His Honor Judge Perry *Merged*

[passionflower]

I respect Judge Perry!
He has a very hard job, keeping everything in order.
Justice for Caylee!!!!

 

[logicalgirl]

I have to disagree. I don't think Judge Perry is "playing" anyone. He is trying to be fair in this case but goes strictly by the law. Baez cannot ask for a plea without the okay from his client. I think Perry is taking the cost to the taxpayer into consideration at all times, but he does not lay awake at night thinking this is costing the taxpayer so much money. He is doing what he is supposed to do. And I am sure he believes KC is entitled to a fair and impartial trial, which she is.

Judge Perry does not strike me as one who has decided the outcome of this case. Perry always knows what the hearing is going to be about and he has his decision ready. This is not the first time he has shown that.

He is an excellent Judge and if he is giving the defense some latitude, I think it is because he feels it is fair with the amount of witnesses and he does not want this going to an appeals court on account of his being pro-State.

Just my opinion.

Thanks for your thoughts but you have completely misunderstood what I was trying to say.

He is fair in this case but goes strictly by the law. Baez cannot ask for a plea without the okay from his client. I think Perry is taking the cost to the taxpayer into consideration at all times, but he does not lay awake at night thinking this is costing the taxpayer so much money. He is doing what he is supposed to do. And I am sure he believes KC is entitled to a fair and impartial trial.

I've bolded and slightly altered your comments - because absolutely - I agree. I did not intend to infer that HHJP was being underhanded or unfair or one sided - can't stress that enough!!!!

But this judge has been around a lot of court room track. If it's obvious to us Baez has nothing, I expect an experienced judge to recognize that. I think he is giving Baez every opportunity to give his client a fair defense - in fact I think he is almost pushing him towards it and insisting Baez to the work and he reminds Baez at every opportunity that death is different.

Of course ICA has to be the one to make the plea but I certainly think Baez can be on his knees asking her for one. No need to go sideways on that one.

But I still will repeat - I believe HHJP is fully aware Baez has done as little work as possible, wants to continue to do as little as possible, and he has no real evidence and he - HHJP - needs to dot every eye and cross every T to get this case to completion.

I believe HHJP is a completely honorable judge and a huge credit to his profession - some one every lawyer should make an effort to emulate.

 

[logicalgirl]

I have to disagree. I don't think Judge Perry is "playing" anyone. He is trying to be fair in this case but goes strictly by the law. Baez cannot ask for a plea without the okay from his client. I think Perry is taking the cost to the taxpayer into consideration at all times, but he does not lay awake at night thinking this is costing the taxpayer so much money. He is doing what he is supposed to do. And I am sure he believes KC is entitled to a fair and impartial trial, which she is.

Judge Perry does not strike me as one who has decided the outcome of this case. Perry always knows what the hearing is going to be about and he has his decision ready. This is not the first time he has shown that.

He is an excellent Judge and if he is giving the defense some latitude, I think it is because he feels it is fair with the amount of witnesses and he does not want this going to an appeals court on account of his being pro-State.

Just my opinion.

Judge Perry does not strike me as one who has decided the outcome of this case. Perry always knows what the hearing is going to be about and he has his decision ready. This is not the first time he has shown that.

You have contradicted yourself - IMO - but exactly my point. He lets Baez drag that rope out and then he yanks it back in with each motion, which is usually prepared before the hearing.

But he doesn't strike down Baez's motions. He knows they are groundless, but he hears them and then reads his prepared response.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

At the time it happened, I looked on some site that had FL's Ninth Circuit Court judges rated to see who might be a possibility. Strickland was the second-highest rated judge overall (terms of fairness, knowledge of law, etc). Only one judge was rated higher and, IIRC, it was a Latina. I thought at the time that maybe JB figured a female judge of similar ethnicity would be favorable. But that was not how it happened, lol.

BBM I think this is the judge I was thinking of.....THANK YOU!!

However, I don't see that judge on the roster any more. This was last year, so assignment changes/rotations could have happened.

I think HHJP is being very careful to make sure there are no appealable issues in this case when it goes to trial. That may be frustrating for those of us who'd like to see more smackdowns, but this defendant and her whiny, clueless entitled attorney have already created ungodly amounts of frustration, delay and cost for the taxpayers. I'm willing to be patient to watch HHJP extend lots of rope that this defense can use to hang themselves and ICA without worrying about the good citizens of FL having to start from scratch because of an idiotic technicality.

Is there any way of finding out the HHJP sentencing history without going through every case he has worked on, does anyone know. I for one would love to see a HHJP comparison for Murder 1 cases he presided over: LWOP vs Death would be interesting.

 

[sleutherontheside]

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/chief_judge/

Good old JP is the representative photo on the Judge's home page.


http://www.ninja9.org/publications/soundblock/Summer-1999.pdf

Great article from 1999.

Mr. Eagen further noted that Mr. Perry would ultimately become a star in his office. “He had the ability to analyze a case and determine its
prosecutability based on law and facts. He was an excellent
trial lawyer. He had the knack of looking at a case and
getting to the core of it,” added Mr. Eagen

 

[Mrs G Norris]

^ Awww he's so cute!

 

[Solace]

Judge Perry does not strike me as one who has decided the outcome of this case. Perry always knows what the hearing is going to be about and he has his decision ready. This is not the first time he has shown that.

You have contradicted yourself - IMO - but exactly my point. He lets Baez drag that rope out and then he yanks it back in with each motion, which is usually prepared before the hearing.

But he doesn't strike down Baez's motions. He knows they are groundless, but he hears them and then reads his prepared response.

No I have not contradicted myself. Because he knows what the hearing is about and what each side is going to ask for, he is prepared to rule per his research and it always comese down to the rules he puts forth. This does not mean he has decided what he will do before looking at the rules. Please don't twist my words.

But if you want to believe JP is "playing" then believe it.

 

[logicalgirl]

No I have not contradicted myself. Because he knows what the hearing is about and what each side is going to ask for, he is prepared to rule per his research and it always comese down to the rules he puts forth. This does not mean he has decided what he will do before looking at the rules. Please don't twist my words.

But if you want to believe JP is "playing" then believe it.

I am not trying to "have an issue" with you. My point is - his ruling is pre-written before the hearing. He walked Baez through his latest ruling starting with - Mr Baez when did you agree to Discovery? His answer was October 2008, and reeled that rope in a little tighter, next question - rope a little tighter. In other words, yes, he uses a technique to have Baez point out his own "mistakes" and then rules on a motion that insists Baez play by the rules.

I was simply saying HHJP does know the law, and makes his motions based on the law. And he knows Baez's requests or motions won't fly before he walks in to the courtroom, but he hears them anyhow.

We are saying the same thing. He rules on the rules, not on what Baez is trying to get away with in the courtroom, and he knows those rules before he walks into the courtroom. That's all.

 

[Solace]

I am not trying to "have an issue" with you. My point is - his ruling is pre-written before the hearing. He walked Baez through his latest ruling starting with - Mr Baez when did you agree to Discovery? His answer was October 2008, and reeled that rope in a little tighter, next question - rope a little tighter. In other words, yes, he uses a technique to have Baez point out his own "mistakes" and then rules on a motion that insists Baez play by the rules.

I was simply saying HHJP does know the law, and makes his motions based on the law. And he knows Baez's requests or motions won't fly before he walks in to the courtroom, but he hears them anyhow.

We are saying the same thing. He rules on the rules, not on what Baez is trying to get away with in the courtroom, and he knows those rules before he walks into the courtroom. That's all.

Okay I hear you. But when you say JP was "playing" Baez, it connotes scamming in a way. IMO anyway. When Perry asks him the questions he does, it is to point out things to him and everyone else so they understand his ruling. I don't consider it "playing" or reeling him in per se. It is just a learned man teaching someone the "rules".

Have a good one.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Boy I hate to see people get upset over semantics. There are some awesome posts on this thread by many.

If I may barge in and offer MOO (it just cracks me up to type that).

"Playing" can be interpreted several ways...

Playing a game.
Playing a role or part.
Playing a strategy.
Playing with a pen at the defense table.
Playing with hair.

The list can go on and on.

IMO....if JB is playing a game of cat and mouse....then the judge is happy to "play along" until it interferes with the progress in this case. Then the Judge stops playing and redirects and enforces rules.

Every trial has an element of "playing"....from shoplifting cases to murder cases.

I also see that "playing" could be interpreted differently.

I look at the totality of this Judge's actions and don't see him as "playing" in a derogatory fashion, but instead see him "playing" the part until the game goes too far.

Additionally, by JP "playing", he is giving JB an opportunity to get back on track and to "self edit" his behavior. When that doesn't happen......game over.

Continue this great thread, and remember that we all interpret things in our own way.

 

[logicalgirl]

Okay I hear you. But when you say JP was "playing" Baez, it connotes scamming in a way. IMO anyway. When Perry asks him the questions he does, it is to point out things to him and everyone else so they understand his ruling. I don't consider it "playing" or reeling him in per se. It is just a learned man teaching someone the "rules".

Have a good one.

I should tell you Solace, and it might help you understand, when I was watching HHJP talking to Baez in that particular hearing, I was laughing because rather than just lecturing Baez on why there was no basis for his rebuttal to the motion the SA put forward, HHJP used a technique to have Baez himself point out why there was no basis for it. By asking Baez pertinent questions, Baez himself told us why his motion has no basis.

That's why I implied he was playing him, but I did not mean to suggest any disrespect, or that HHJP was being anything but fair and impartial.

In management, we call this the "employee who fires themselves"technique. And it is used after all attempts to resuscitate an employee have failed. I'm sure it has a formal name. By asking and having a person answer a series of questions, it makes it apparent the individual is not fulfilling their job expectations. The final question is - "If you were me, what would you do now?" The answer is almost always "I would fire me", to which the manager responds "well, I guess you are right, I seem to have no other option." "Thank you for your help, and the company certainly wishes you the very best of luck in your next employment endeavor."
All IMO of course.

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

I still admire HHJP. He is doing the best he can with a no win situation as far as the defense is concerned. He has shown patience beyond what some would do. Baez and Company have skated by so many times it is pathetic. The Judge knows they are lying just like we all do. He is going to do whatever it takes to get this to trial and a verdict. Nobody wants a mistrial or reversal. I do not think any of us could hold up for another three years of the KC circus BS. lol I know from screaming at the TV alone during the hearings it has aged me a good 5 years. The CA and GA interviews, will I should have long ago been in my grave from their BS from the blood pressure sky rocketing. I am just waiting for JB pushing one to many buttons of HHJP that he will catapult himself out of his chair and across the courtroom.

 

[tiredofthis]

I still admire HHJP. He is doing the best he can with a no win situation as far as the defense is concerned. He has shown patience beyond what some would do. Baez and Company have skated by so many times it is pathetic. The Judge knows they are lying just like we all do. He is going to do whatever it takes to get this to trial and a verdict. Nobody wants a mistrial or reversal. I do not think any of us could hold up for another three years of the KC circus BS. lol I know from screaming at the TV alone during the hearings it has aged me a good 5 years. The CA and GA interviews, will I should have long ago been in my grave from their BS from the blood pressure sky rocketing. I am just waiting for JB pushing one to many buttons of HHJP that he will catapult himself out of his chair and across the courtroom.

Love HHJP!

And as far as holding up, I have gained almost 30 pounds since this entire circus began!

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

Love HHJP!

And as far as holding up, I have gained almost 30 pounds since this entire circus began!

We need to figure out a good low cal veggie plate to get us through! lol
Low salt for me, rofl

 

[Solace]

I should tell you Solace, and it might help you understand, when I was watching HHJP talking to Baez in that particular hearing, I was laughing because rather than just lecturing Baez on why there was no basis for his rebuttal to the motion the SA put forward, HHJP used a technique to Baez himself point out why there was no basis for it. By asking Baez pertinent questions, Baez himself told us why his motion has no basis.

That's why I implied he was playing him, but I did not mean to suggest any disrespect, or that HHJP was being anything but fair and impartial.

In management, we call this the "employee who fires themselves"technique. And it is used after all attempts to resuscitate an employee have failed. I'm sure it has a formal name. By asking and having a person answer a series of questions, it makes it apparent the individual is not fulfilling their job expectations. The final question is - "If you were me, what would you do now?" The answer is almost always "I would fire me", to which the manager responds "well, I guess you are right, I seem to have no other option." "Thank you for your help, and the company certainly wishes you the very best of luck in your next employment endeavor."
All IMO of course.

LogicalGirl,

Well, that's a relief - Thanks for the explanation.

Gee, I think I understand what you meant afterall. How great is that that Management figured out how to do this with their employees. What a tactic. I bet half the time the employees don't know what hit them. Just like Baez, right? I get it now.

Thanks LG

 

[Star12]

I am confused about this "prepared" order. I am sure I heard HHJP ask both the defense and the prosecusion if they wanted to wait 30 minutes after court while he prepared the order, or if they wanted to get it by email.

 

[logicalgirl]

Boy I hate to see people get upset over semantics. There are some awesome posts on this thread by many.

If I may barge in and offer MOO (it just cracks me up to type that).

"Playing" can be interpreted several ways...

Playing a game.
Playing a role or part.
Playing a strategy.
Playing with a pen at the defense table.
Playing with hair.

The list can go on and on.

IMO....if JB is playing a game of cat and mouse....then the judge is happy to "play along" until it interferes with the progress in this case. Then the Judge stops playing and redirects and enforces rules.

Every trial has an element of "playing"....from shoplifting cases to murder cases.

I also see that "playing" could be interpreted differently.

I look at the totality of this Judge's actions and don't see him as "playing" in a derogatory fashion, but instead see him "playing" the part until the game goes too far.

Additionally, by JP "playing", he is giving JB an opportunity to get back on track and to "self edit" his behavior. When that doesn't happen......game over.

Continue this great thread, and remember that we all interpret things in our own way.

:bow::bow: Thank you for what I consider a "rescue". I kept re-offending without meaning to while trying to explain myself - and making it worse. resent:.

I'll be quiet now, I promise!

 

[Solace]

I am confused about this "prepared" order. I am sure I heard HHJP ask both the defense and the prosecusion if they wanted to wait 30 minutes after court while he prepared the order, or if they wanted to get it by email.

He ruled on the motion and he told them what the "Order" would say and then he asked them if they wanted to wait and get a copy or have it sent by e-mail. BUT he told them what the order would say. If this is what you are asking?

 

[logicalgirl]

LogicalGirl,

Well, that's a relief - Thanks for the explanation.

Gee, I think I understand what you meant afterall. How great is that that Management figured out how to do this with their employees. What a tactic. I bet half the time the employees don't know what hit them. Just like Baez, right? I get it now.

Thanks LG

Whew, thanks Solace! I respect your posts and am so happy you understand.

 

[Aedrys]

:bow::bow: Thank you for what I consider a "rescue". I kept re-offending without meaning to while trying to explain myself - and making it worse. resent:.

I'll be quiet now, I promise!

No, don't do that! We like it when you talk, keep talking!

I see it this way - Jose is just playing around with everything, hoping he gets a miracle. HHJP has learned to play Jose and get him to admit his mistakes, thus making Jose burn himself. HHJP is the grandmaster here, and Jose wishes he could lick his shiny black shoes. LOL.

We're all good here! *hugs all around*