HLN Coverage On Baby Lisa This Hour 10/17/11

[Snowbunny]

...just that the body size, shape of face, kid in vehicle...it MIGHT be her.

Face is blurry. It's an old pickup with a lot of junk in the rear (no pun intended.)

Those satellite images are probably 2-3 years old. It looked like an elderly woman in the driver's seat and a heavy set woman in passenager see. Never saw a child. I don't think it was Debra.

 

[Snowbunny]

This whole situation is sad, but if one thinks back to when they were in their early twenties most of us did our share of drinking back then even when our kids were at home. I remember putting my kids to bed and the neighbors getting together and having a few too many way back then. Its not uncommon and God only know some of the stupid things we all did back then. We thought we knew it all. Debra hasn't don't anything that the rest of us have done at her age, only her daughter went missing on her watch and you can see its eating her up inside. People need to quit being so judgemental because she had a few drinks. I still don't think this mother had anything to do with her daughter going missing. I've seen the videos of her with her daughter and you can just see how much she adores her daughter. She's very loving and tender towards where little girl. Its very possible that she passed out and left the door unlocked and the lights on, and its very possible that someone came in the front door and took her baby. I'm going to wait until the facts are all in before I jump on the band wagon and say she's guilty.

 

[Turnadot]

This whole situation is sad, but if one thinks back to when they were in their early twenties most of us did our share of drinking back then even when our kids were at home. I remember putting my kids to bed and the neighbors getting together and having a few too many way back then. Its not uncommon and God only know some of the stupid things we all did back then. We thought we knew it all.

My parents did this when I was a kid, and thankfully, I'm not any worse the wear for it. They were excellent parents. Not that it makes me a better parent in the least, but I've never been drunk with my son around.

One of my earliest memories is needing to P while my parents were downstairs drinking with friends. My mother came upstairs to help me, and fell on her face, got up, stumbled along to the bathroom. It terrified me. I didn't understand what was wrong with her, plus she was laughing, etc. Just scared me to death at the time. IDK, I just don't want a 'mommy stumbling drunk' image to be in my son's memories.

People need to quit being so judgemental because she had a few drinks...

*snipped for space*

She had so many drinks she can't even recall when she last saw her infant. I'm judging her harshly for that, absolutely. I make no apologies for that. Any parent who gets so hammered they don't even remember the last time they saw their helpless infant, should be ashamed. It's disgusting behaviour.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

This whole situation is sad, but if one thinks back to when they were in their early twenties most of us did our share of drinking back then even when our kids were at home. I remember putting my kids to bed and the neighbors getting together and having a few too many way back then. Its not uncommon and God only know some of the stupid things we all did back then. We thought we knew it all. Debra hasn't don't anything that the rest of us have done at her age, only her daughter went missing on her watch and you can see its eating her up inside. People need to quit being so judgemental because she had a few drinks. I still don't think this mother had anything to do with her daughter going missing. I've seen the videos of her with her daughter and you can just see how much she adores her daughter. She's very loving and tender towards where little girl. Its very possible that she passed out and left the door unlocked and the lights on, and its very possible that someone came in the front door and took her baby. I'm going to wait until the facts are all in before I jump on the band wagon and say she's guilty.

Even when we had our neighbors over to party, and we brought out the zig-zags and margaritas, if my kids were home asleep, I would make sure that either my husband or I were sober enough to keep an eye on the kids.

this isn't a matter of getting a buzz on while the kids slept. She put her sick infant to bed at 6:40 and NEVER looked in on her again. She left a window open and the front door unlocked. That is neglectful and pathetic, imo. She should have had 3 nice glasses of wine, and called it a day. imoo

 

[MyBelle]

This whole situation is sad, but if one thinks back to when they were in their early twenties most of us did our share of drinking back then even when our kids were at home. I remember putting my kids to bed and the neighbors getting together and having a few too many way back then. Its not uncommon and God only know some of the stupid things we all did back then. We thought we knew it all. Debra hasn't don't anything that the rest of us have done at her age, only her daughter went missing on her watch and you can see its eating her up inside. People need to quit being so judgemental because she had a few drinks. I still don't think this mother had anything to do with her daughter going missing. I've seen the videos of her with her daughter and you can just see how much she adores her daughter. She's very loving and tender towards where little girl. Its very possible that she passed out and left the door unlocked and the lights on, and its very possible that someone came in the front door and took her baby. I'm going to wait until the facts are all in before I jump on the band wagon and say she's guilty.

I don't see anyone being judgmental because DB had a few drinks. She admitted to many drinks and possibly blacking out. If she didn't want the public to judge her, she probably should have refrained from making such an admission to a national audience.

JMO

 

[Snowbunny]

Even when we had our neighbors over to party, and we brought out the zig-zags and margaritas, if my kids were home asleep, I would make sure that either my husband or I were sober enough to keep an eye on the kids.

this isn't a matter of getting a buzz on while the kids slept. She put her sick infant to bed at 6:40 and NEVER looked in on her again. She left a window open and the front door unlocked. That is neglectful and pathetic, imo. She should have had 3 nice glasses of wine, and called it a day. imoo

I will say that generally speaking my babies always went to bed around 7pm if they were under the age of 2 years old, but I was always one who checked on my kids every half hour and if they were sick it was more, but I never left my home and I never got buzzed to the point I didn't know what I was doing and I didn't do it on a regular basis. When my child was sick, my child never left my side and I had them in my bed right beside me. I had a little girl that I use to babysit who died of infant crib death at 9 months old and even though it didn't happen when I was babysitting I never got over that. She got her little head caught in the bars of the crib and strangled herself trying to breath. She was the prettiest little girl you ever laid your eyes on and I probably watched her 3 to 4 times a week, but after her parents told me she had died I never got over it. The sad part about that story is that the parents had had another little girl that I didn't know about that had died the same way a year before Stacey was even born and she was about the same age as Stacey.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Originally Posted by W.O.O. (respectfully snipped)
There's one thing that keeps bugging me about the reporting today.

The time DB put Lisa to bed. First we heard (or thought) it was the 10:30 time - that was cleared up and we had all been going on the 7:30 time.

Now its 6:40.

Yet, HLN especially just keeps saying at first it was 10:30 and now its 6:40.

This really peeves me, especially when you have them literally chopping up(which was absolutely done in Fox-Megyn Kelly's vignettes of DB) editing out(with Megyn's elaborate cut/paste video clips that were NOT even correct), and nit-picking at an all new record level[will link to an example to what it is that I am referring].. so, you have these "journalists" that are literally combing over every syllable uttered by DB(lol.. Kinda like we do here.).. But they're doing it to pull out exact words and nail her to them.. Ok you wanna be that way, fine.. But in all this pouring over the details of every syllable that Deborah has uttered you are going to attempt to make this BS fly of "her stating for 2 weeks that she'd put Lisa to bed at 10:30 and now has the nerve to change that time by 4 hours putting her bedtime now at 6:40" as was attempted by Megyn Kelly and Judge Jeanine, as well as their other in studio talking head.. I mean really hammering it with their comments like, "how could this woman(DB) think she could tell us to our face she put that baby to bed at 10:30pm and now has the nerve to change it to 4 whole hours different at 6:40".. When these "journalists" know good and damn well that the bed time was 7:30.. And that it NEVER WAS 10:30.. They poured over and broke down every syllable of every word uttered from this woman's mouth and in that there's not a doubt in their minds that the truth is that she said 7:30 not 10:30.. I mean FGS, did Deb's media blitz headed up by the BS mentor of "Fame/Money Machine Productions" NOT do plenty enough tarnishing and damage all on their very own!?!?!

So, for Megyn and Judge Jeanine to stoop to this fraudulent type reporting and for them to be feeding the same media frenzy cash cow that BS and Tacopaco are.. and all of it being done in precious baby Lisa's name!!.. It's just way past disgusting!!

Whose fighting for baby Lisa and not this fame/money cow that her disappearance has turned into?!? Our missing children's cases have reached an all out deplorable low IMO.. They are now looked upon as the newest way for the slugs and leeches to use them as a fast track to quick money and instant stardom!!

Eta: sorry my browser crashed closing my tab with the link to Megyn/JJ Outrageous erroneous reporting in MK's show this afternoon.. I'll have to search and edit the link in my post as soon as I re-find it..:crazy:

 

[gwenabob]

I will say that generally speaking my babies always went to bed around 7pm if they were under the age of 2 years old, but I was always one who checked on my kids every half hour and if they were sick it was more, but I never left my home and I never got buzzed to the point I didn't know what I was doing and I didn't do it on a regular basis. When my child was sick, my child never left my side and I had them in my bed right beside me. I had a little girl that I use to babysit who died of infant crib death at 9 months old and even though it didn't happen when I was babysitting I never got over that. She got her little head caught in the bars of the crib and strangled herself trying to breath. She was the prettiest little girl you ever laid your eyes on and I probably watched her 3 to 4 times a week, but after her parents told me she had died I never got over it. The sad part about that story is that the parents had had another little girl that I didn't know about that had died the same way a year before Stacey was even born and she was about the same age as Stacey.

That is very sad about the little girls. Have to say though, that whole scenario sounds hinky in and of itself! I have never heard of two babies in one family dying in that manner.

 

[katydid23]

This really peeves me, especially when you have them literally chopping up(which was absolutely done in Fox-Megyn Kelly's vignettes of DB) editing out(with Megyn's elaborate cut/paste video clips that were NOT even correct), and nit-picking at an all new record level[will link to an example to what it is that I am referring].. so, you have these "journalists" that are literally combing over every syllable uttered by DB(lol.. Kinda like we do here.).. But they're doing it to pull out exact words and nail her to them.. Ok you wanna be that way, fine.. But in all this pouring over the details of every syllable that Deborah has uttered you are going to attempt to make this BS fly of "her stating for 2 weeks that she'd put Lisa to bed at 10:30 and now has the nerve to change that time by 4 hours putting her bedtime now at 6:40" as was attempted by Megyn Kelly and Judge Jeanine, as well as their other in studio talking head.. I mean really hammering it with their comments like, "how could this woman(DB) think she could tell us to our face she put that baby to bed at 10:30pm and now has the nerve to change it to 4 whole hours different at 6:40".. When these "journalists" know good and damn well that the bed time was 7:30.. And that it NEVER WAS 10:30.. They poured over and broke down every syllable of every word uttered from this woman's mouth and in that there's not a doubt in their minds that the truth is that she said 7:30 not 10:30.. I mean FGS, did Deb's media blitz headed up by the BS mentor of "Fame/Money Machine Productions" NOT do plenty enough tarnishing and damage all on their very own!?!?!

So, for Megyn and Judge Jeanine to stoop to this fraudulent type reporting and for them to be feeding the same media frenzy cash cow that BS and Tacopaco are.. and all of it being done in precious baby Lisa's name!!.. It's just way past disgusting!!

Whose fighting for baby Lisa and not this fame/money cow that her disappearance has turned into?!? Our missing children's cases have reached an all out deplorable low IMO.. They are now looked upon as the newest way for the slugs and leeches to use them as a fast track to quick money and instant stardom!!

Eta: sorry my browser crashed closing my tab with the link to Megyn/JJ Outrageous erroneous reporting in MK's show this afternoon.. I'll have to search and edit the link in my post as soon as I re-find it..:crazy:

Here is what I think the issue was they were discussing.

Mom originally said that she put Lisa to bed at 7:30, then she checked on her again at 10:30. IIRC, she even said she changed her diaper at that point, then she went to bed herself.

But NOW she is saying that she did NOT check on her at 10:30 at all. In fact, she put her down at 06:40, and did not check on her again, as far as she knows.

So I did not see MK as being erroneous. She played both clips back to back and the errors were right there. imoo Mom changed her story significantly. There is a huge difference between putting your child down at 07:30, checking on her right after, finding her standing up, and patiently putting her down again, then doublechecking on her at 10:30 right before you go to sleep yourself. At least that is the minimum that might be required. Big difference between that original scenario, and the new one. Put her down at 06:40, started drinking my 5 to 10 glasses of wine, and never saw her again.

 

[MyBelle]

This really peeves me, especially when you have them literally chopping up(which was absolutely done in Fox-Megyn Kelly's vignettes of DB) editing out(with Megyn's elaborate cut/paste video clips that were NOT even correct), and nit-picking at an all new record level[will link to an example to what it is that I am referring].. so, you have these "journalists" that are literally combing over every syllable uttered by DB(lol.. Kinda like we do here.).. But they're doing it to pull out exact words and nail her to them.. Ok you wanna be that way, fine.. But in all this pouring over the details of every syllable that Deborah has uttered you are going to attempt to make this BS fly of "her stating for 2 weeks that she'd put Lisa to bed at 10:30 and now has the nerve to change that time by 4 hours putting her bedtime now at 6:40" as was attempted by Megyn Kelly and Judge Jeanine, as well as their other in studio talking head.. I mean really hammering it with their comments like, "how could this woman(DB) think she could tell us to our face she put that baby to bed at 10:30pm and now has the nerve to change it to 4 whole hours different at 6:40".. When these "journalists" know good and damn well that the bed time was 7:30.. And that it NEVER WAS 10:30.. They poured over and broke down every syllable of every word uttered from this woman's mouth and in that there's not a doubt in their minds that the truth is that she said 7:30 not 10:30.. I mean FGS, did Deb's media blitz headed up by the BS mentor of "Fame/Money Machine Productions" NOT do plenty enough tarnishing and damage all on their very own!?!?!

So, for Megyn and Judge Jeanine to stoop to this fraudulent type reporting and for them to be feeding the same media frenzy cash cow that BS and Tacopaco are.. and all of it being done in precious baby Lisa's name!!.. It's just way past disgusting!!

Whose fighting for baby Lisa and not this fame/money cow that her disappearance has turned into?!? Our missing children's cases have reached an all out deplorable low IMO.. They are now looked upon as the newest way for the slugs and leeches to use them as a fast track to quick money and instant stardom!!

Eta: sorry my browser crashed closing my tab with the link to Megyn/JJ Outrageous erroneous reporting in MK's show this afternoon.. I'll have to search and edit the link in my post as soon as I re-find it..:crazy:

Whether DB initially said 7:30 pm or 10:30 pm really isn't relevant now because DB CHANGED it to a very specific 6:40 pm and also admitted she was drunk. Nothing she says can be believed as accurate.

I think our missing children's cases are deplorable but I don't blame the media, I blame the people responsible for the missing child. They are the true slugs and leeches, not the media.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Here is what I think the issue was they were discussing.

Mom originally said that she put Lisa to bed at 7:30, then she checked on her again at 10:30. IIRC, she even said she changed her diaper at that point, then she went to bed herself.

But NOW she is saying that she did NOT check on her at 10:30 at all. In fact, she put her down at 06:40, and did not check on her again, as far as she knows.

So I did not see MK as being erroneous. She played both clips back to back and the errors were right there. imoo Mom changed her story significantly. There is a huge difference between putting your child down at 07:30, checking on her right after, finding her standing up, and patiently putting her down again, then doublechecking on her at 10:30 right before you go to sleep yourself. At least that is the minimum that might be required. Big difference between that original scenario, and the new one. Put her down at 06:40, started drinking my 5 to 10 glasses of wine, and never saw her again.

I agree. I saw the clips. The conflicting statements are glaring.

JMO

 

[Dee10]

Here is what I think the issue was they were discussing.

Mom originally said that she put Lisa to bed at 7:30, then she checked on her again at 10:30. IIRC, she even said she changed her diaper at that point, then she went to bed herself.

But NOW she is saying that she did NOT check on her at 10:30 at all. In fact, she put her down at 06:40, and did not check on her again, as far as she knows.

So I did not see MK as being erroneous. She played both clips back to back and the errors were right there. imoo Mom changed her story significantly. There is a huge difference between putting your child down at 07:30, checking on her right after, finding her standing up, and patiently putting her down again, then doublechecking on her at 10:30 right before you go to sleep yourself. At least that is the minimum that might be required. Big difference between that original scenario, and the new one. Put her down at 06:40, started drinking my 5 to 10 glasses of wine, and never saw her again.

Exactly...& everything is changing EXCEPT for that 10:30 mark, at lest at this point.

 

[freshwater]

I think so many people on here are playing right into DB's hands. She says she drank enough to be drunk. Why should we believe her? Perhaps she was drunk, or perhaps she's just desperately trying to extricate herself from the situation.

Clearly, she's involved. Clearly, the dad knows the score, too. But all she needs is one moronic juror to believe an "I was passed out drunk, and then someone came in and took my baby" defense. Clearly, someone coached her to say she was drunk.

The two of them need to end this charade right now and fess up to what happened. I'm sure the police have other cases to work. Stop wasting their time and wasting the taxpayers' $$$.

The other kids in that house probably know what happened, too. They might be the key.

 

[marge_rita]

Originally Posted by katydid23

Here is what I think the issue was they were discussing.

Mom originally said that she put Lisa to bed at 7:30, then she checked on her again at 10:30. IIRC, she even said she changed her diaper at that point, then she went to bed herself.

But NOW she is saying that she did NOT check on her at 10:30 at all. In fact, she put her down at 06:40, and did not check on her again, as far as she knows.

D is now saying she didn't check on baby Lisa after 6:40pm?

Not checking on the baby, announcing to the world she was drunk-----Deborah needs to be arrested and charged with child endangerment and child neglect. IMO

What is LE waiting for?

imo

 

[azwriter]

For someone to have entered the home and snatched a baby, they would have to be in the know - completely.

In this instance they would have to know that her husband would be absent from the home that night. They would also have to know where the baby slept and how to get in and out of the home without waking anyone (drunk or not). And how to keep from waking baby Lisa when she was taken from the crib.

And, how to enter the property as to not alert the dog or know that the dog was kept outside at night.

Do we have another mystery intruder, like in the Ramsey's case, where they enter and do not leave one piece of evidence (hair, mud, threads, finger or footprints) when they are in the home.

I can only believe we don't know the entire story. But, if Mom is changing her story one day at a time - it may only take less than a week for her to let loose of more information.

Praying for Baby Lisa's safety.

jmo

 

[azwriter]

Didn't the boys have school in the morning? How did she think she was going to function in the morning getting kids to school and taking care of an infant who will be up at the crack of dawn, since she went to bed so early? Her husband wasn't going to get up with them since he worked until the wee hours of the morning. I don't get this. At all. And I don't think it is very "adult" to get drunk when one is home alone with three small ones and you have to get up early the next day. I would call that downright "childish!"

And not too bright to drink wine, which is a depressant, if she is taking anxiety meds. The two do not mix safely.
jmo

 

[Cher352]

An 8 year old and a 6 year old can talk! I am stunned that something hasnt leaked on what the kids said, and even more stunned that Mom wouldnt be drilling them over and over to find out what happened while she was incapacitated. LE has talked to the kids once? Do I have that right?

Sorry but I don't believe drilling children of that age over and over would phychologically good for them.

I could see a parent trying not to upset them any more than they probably are but I do think they need to have a child phychologist that is trained in dealing with this kind of scenio talk to them.

 

[Turnadot]

Sorry but I don't believe drilling children of that age over and over would phychologically good for them.

I could see a parent trying not to upset them any more than they probably are but I do think they need to have a child phychologist that is trained in dealing with this kind of scenio talk to them.

Agreed.

I'm sure DB's lawyer could recommend someone. It does set of my alarms that DB won't allow the boys to talk about it with anyone at all, not even a private child psychologist. The boys might remember something later on and a child psychologist could work with them, skillfully draw it out. Plus I'm sure they are confused and scared and need to talk about it. From what I understand, DB claims she's never talked with the boys about it.

IMO

 

[MyBelle]

Sorry but I don't believe drilling children of that age over and over would phychologically good for them.

I could see a parent trying not to upset them any more than they probably are but I do think they need to have a child phychologist that is trained in dealing with this kind of scenio talk to them.

Where do you get the idea that an untrained interviewer questioned the children the first time around?

There is a difference between an interview and an interrogation and no evidence the children have been "drilled" by an untrained member of LE.

JMO

 

[sherbetjello]

I just totally came up with some questions and if someone could answer them that would be great. I have a way of asking questions that don't typically have answers.

1. Where is that Dad works again?
2. Is it possible for the parents of Baby Lisa to not allow children to be questioned by LE? Is there a way for them to deny consent since they are minors, or would the children be pressed to answer questions regardless of age?

Personally, I do not think alcohol or anything of the like was taking place that night. There's just no way to not leave any evidence in a state like that, or get rid of phones and keep at the children quite and then later having them all act normal - too many holes. I've thought long and hard about this since the statement was made. However, what's the best way to make it look like a random home invasion/abduction? Oh, yeah, mom passed out completely drunk and another person was smart enough to cover all these bases...