HUGE QUESTION please answer

[Case Cracker]

Hi all,
After spending alot of time on here reading so many insightful & knowledgeable posts, I've decided to join you all
Here it is, my very first post & I do hope I get a few responses to this
I bought a few books & my personal favorites were Steve Thomas's & James Kolar's on this tragic & devastating case of a beautiful little girl who was robbed of her life.
Taking all facts into consideration & piecing the night together. I 100% agree with the statement John Ramsey himself made... this has to be an inside job! I am left with 1 HUGE question & hope that many of you can somewhat help on this.
Firstly, Pasty was in the same clothes she wore the night before, as friends stated, she was a proud lady who'd never wear the same clothing 2 days in a row. I believe this to be true. I struggle to understand why she states she didn't shower that morning & read she hadn't showered the morning before either? When image was paramount to her yet blamed her shower not working while there were a number of other showers throughout the house she could of used. Was time against her? The time-line she gave was extremely tight to say the least in achieving what they had planned for that morning with catching a plane.
If Pasty had got ready for bed, she wouldn't have the same clothing on from the night before so why would fibres from her sweater be in the paint tray & in the ligature etc.

Here's the burning question I've had since I've studied this case....
If we consider this to be BDI or JDI...where was Pasty that night???
As she was wearing the clothes from the night before so it appears she never went to bed. Burke admitted he went downstairs later that night & played with a toy. Where was Pasty?
I read her side of the bed didn't look slept in?
So we have Burke getting up later in the nite to play with a toy down stairs, a so called foreign faction wondering around the house & according to Smit a stun gun being used. Which apparently doesn't subdue a person the way it was presented ..as seen in the C BS documentary. That little girl would of screamed the house down afterwards if a stun gun was used. Where was Patsy? Was she actually home?
There is an interview with a mane & Judith that says the following...
Mame: an investment person?
JP: An investment person. Yeah, and according to her friend that she knows very well, this investment person who is a man had said that he had a relationship with Patsy that night.
Mame: of the murder?
JP: yeah, that they had come home from the party at the Whites & Patsy had left the home & had attended a party where they had a fling going.
Then there's the Diane Hollis story regarding Patsy catching John and accidentally hitting Jonbenet instead of John.
Ive read comments by people who worked on the case stating there were dozens of family secrets? Linda Arnt said Patsy was imprisoned with secrets.
There's also the comments friends said that Patsy made afterwards....why didn't I hear my baby? If Patsy was up, she should of heard her baby and even known where her baby was. Also the comment...we didn't mean for this to happen. These Comments certainly in my opinion tell me Patsy knew more.

The pink barbie nighty seems to be what JonBenet was actually wearing at the time, Jonbenet's blood & Patsy's & Burkes dna were found on it & placed with Jonbenet ....The pink nightgown paradox by Cottonstar and Juror13​

Fibers that were consistent with the jacket that Patsy wore the previous day were found "tied into" the ligature & in the paint tray. Thomas reported that
fibers from the jacket Patsy had been wearing were found to be "chemically and microscopically consistent" with four fibers found on the inside of the piece of duct tape. If Burke had placed the ligature around Jonbenet then why wasnt his dna or other fibres found on or in it? Or perhaps some were found and not released Oh I could go on but I realize I've already written so much.
Hoping to see plenty of replies

 

[DeDee]

Thank you for posting, @Case Cracker

I have never heard of the Judith interview where she reveals Patsy was having a fling and was not home after the Christmas dinner at the White's home. Do you mind providing the source with a link as it would be interesting reading?

That Patsy was a mysterious one. I recall one of the neighbors reported hearing a penetrating scream that awakened her that night. S. Thomas conducted an experiment to determine whether or not the scream could be heard by the neighbor.

 

[Case Cracker]

Hi DeDee,

It's a very long interview, scroll down to part 2 and it's down further on the page. Judith also discusses how the police questioned if she knew about any women in John's life, very interesting reading. 02062000judithphillipsinterview.htm

I read about the scream, Steve said you could hear noises they made in the basement from the 3rd floor. Even Burke said he could hear the refrigerator door in the kitchen downstairs from his bedroom. The house made alot of creaky noises in the older areas I read. Certainly not a great house for an intruder to be wondering around in.

 

[UKGuy]

Hi all,
After spending alot of time on here reading so many insightful & knowledgeable posts, I've decided to join you all
Here it is, my very first post & I do hope I get a few responses to this
I bought a few books & my personal favorites were Steve Thomas's & James Kolar's on this tragic & devastating case of a beautiful little girl who was robbed of her life.
Taking all facts into consideration & piecing the night together. I 100% agree with the statement John Ramsey himself made... this has to be an inside job! I am left with 1 HUGE question & hope that many of you can somewhat help on this.
Firstly, Pasty was in the same clothes she wore the night before, as friends stated, she was a proud lady who'd never wear the same clothing 2 days in a row. I believe this to be true. I struggle to understand why she states she didn't shower that morning & read she hadn't showered the morning before either? When image was paramount to her yet blamed her shower not working while there were a number of other showers throughout the house she could of used. Was time against her? The time-line she gave was extremely tight to say the least in achieving what they had planned for that morning with catching a plane.
If Pasty had got ready for bed, she wouldn't have the same clothing on from the night before so why would fibres from her sweater be in the paint tray & in the ligature etc.

Here's the burning question I've had since I've studied this case....
If we consider this to be BDI or JDI...where was Pasty that night???
As she was wearing the clothes from the night before so it appears she never went to bed. Burke admitted he went downstairs later that night & played with a toy. Where was Pasty?
I read her side of the bed didn't look slept in?
So we have Burke getting up later in the nite to play with a toy down stairs, a so called foreign faction wondering around the house & according to Smit a stun gun being used. Which apparently doesn't subdue a person the way it was presented ..as seen in the C BS documentary. That little girl would of screamed the house down afterwards if a stun gun was used. Where was Patsy? Was she actually home?
There is an interview with a mane & Judith that says the following...
Mame: an investment person?
JP: An investment person. Yeah, and according to her friend that she knows very well, this investment person who is a man had said that he had a relationship with Patsy that night.
Mame: of the murder?
JP: yeah, that they had come home from the party at the Whites & Patsy had left the home & had attended a party where they had a fling going.
Then there's the Diane Hollis story regarding Patsy catching John and accidentally hitting Jonbenet instead of John.
Ive read comments by people who worked on the case stating there were dozens of family secrets? Linda Arnt said Patsy was imprisoned with secrets.
There's also the comments friends said that Patsy made afterwards....why didn't I hear my baby? If Patsy was up, she should of heard her baby and even known where her baby was. Also the comment...we didn't mean for this to happen. These Comments certainly in my opinion tell me Patsy knew more.

The pink barbie nighty seems to be what JonBenet was actually wearing at the time, Jonbenet's blood & Patsy's & Burkes dna were found on it & placed with Jonbenet ....The pink nightgown paradox by Cottonstar and Juror13​

Fibers that were consistent with the jacket that Patsy wore the previous day were found "tied into" the ligature & in the paint tray. Thomas reported that
fibers from the jacket Patsy had been wearing were found to be "chemically and microscopically consistent" with four fibers found on the inside of the piece of duct tape. If Burke had placed the ligature around Jonbenet then why wasnt his dna or other fibres found on or in it? Or perhaps some were found and not released Oh I could go on but I realize I've already written so much.
Hoping to see plenty of replies

Case Cracker,
Welcome to websleuths, I'm sure you will enjoy your time here.

Firstly, Pasty was in the same clothes she wore the night before, as friends stated, she was a proud lady who'd never wear the same clothing 2 days in a row. I believe this to be true.

You just might be right. Patsy likely showered to get rid of any bloodstains, detritus via handling JonBenet.
Her not showering is her overthinking the problem, i.e. if your gonna wear dirty clothes why bother with a shower, that would represent laude common sense to Patsy.

BTW, John says he showered, so Patsy could have used, even SHARED his shower?

f Pasty had got ready for bed, she wouldn't have the same clothing on from the night before so why would fibres from her sweater be in the paint tray & in the ligature etc.

In court Patsy's fibers in the paint tray are NOT a big deal as they might have arrived there during a prior painting session.

where was Pasty that night?

You never know Patsy and John just might have been Getting It On, while JonBenet and Burke were left to indulge themselves with pineapple snacks, etc.

Both Patsy and John with were hit with Child Abuse True Bills. This might reflect the Grand Juries opinion that JonBenet was left to get on with it, on Christmas Night?

Mame: an investment person?

...

Just hearsay.

Then there's the Diane Hollis story regarding Patsy catching John and accidentally hitting Jonbenet instead of John.

Just hearsay.

fibers from the jacket Patsy had been wearing were found to be "chemically and microscopically consistent"

Fibers from BOTH parents were found on JonBenet in the wine-cellar.

Touch-dna found on the Barbie Nightgown only ruled out John, leaving Burke or Patsy as potential matches.

Burke's Hi-Tec footprint found in the wine-cellar links HIM to the winecellar.

December 29, 1996, BPD Search Warrant for Boulder, Colorado 15th Street, Excerpt

Det. Arndt informed Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer stated to her that he observed red stains in the CROTCH AREA of the PANTIES that the child was wearing at the time that the child's body was subjected to the external visual examination. Dr. Meyer stated to Det. Arndt that the RED STAIN appeared to be consistent with BLOOD. Det. Arndt further informed the Affiant that Dr. Meyer stated to her that after examining the panties (as described above), he observed the EXTERIOR PUBIC AREA of the child's body located next to the areas of the panties containing the red stains and found NO VISIBLE REDDISH STAINS IN THAT AREA. Dr. Meyer stated to Det. Arndt that his opinion is that the evidence observed is consistent with the child's PUBIC AREA HAVING BEEN WIPED BY A CLOTH.

12-29-1996 Search Warrant for 755 15th Street, Excerpt

Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she witnessed the autopsy of JonBenet Ramsey which was conducted by Dr. John Meyer on December 27, 1996. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she observed Dr. Meyer examine the VAGINAL AREA of the victim and heard him state that the victim had received an injury constant with DIGITAL PENETRATION of her vagina. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer told her that it was his opinion that the victim had been subjected to SEXUAL CONTACT. For further details on the autopsy see the attached document entitled Addendum To Search Warrant.

So the bottom line is this: is the Coroner's opinion valid or has his evidence base been faked?

 

[GrandmaKittyLovesMLE]

Nearly 26 years after JonBenet Ramsey's murder, Boulder police to consult with Cold Case Review Team

"This crime has left a hole in the hearts of many, and we will never stop investigating until we find JonBenet's killer."

www.cbsnews.com

Nearly 26 years after JonBenet Ramsey's murder, Boulder police to consult with Cold Case Review Team​

CBSColorado.com Staff - 14h ago

Investigators looking into the murder of JonBenet Ramsey will consult with the Colorado Cold Case Review team and collaborate with a private DNA lab next year. Boulder police hope new technology could lead to the 6-year-old's killer. JonBenet Ramsey died 26 years ago this December. Her murder has never been solved.

Boulder police say detectives have traveled to 19 states and talked with 1,000 people after following leads of more than 21,000 letters and emails.


American child JonBenét Ramsey was murdered at age 6, in Boulder. Axel Koester/Sygma via Getty Images© Provided by CBS Denver

 

[DeDee]

Judith's interview is enlightening in several aspects; none of which are surprising. In fact, my thoughts align very much with those of her own.

I do; however, find it difficult to believe that PR attended a Christmas party after her children went to bed given the fact that there was an early morning flight to MI. PR wearing the same clothes as the day before makes it seem possible, maybe even probable, that she had not been at the marital home for some hours. There must be an explanation for her attire.

I was married when JBR was murdered. After working each day, I watched intently any coverage on TV. When the Ramsey's conducted the interview with Larry King, my now EX said, "Her mother did it!" I was outraged by his accusation. It took years and voluminous reading to come the point I reached some years ago.

That page in the dictionary with the page turned down to the word "incest" spoke to my spirit. PR wouldn't molest her daughter but her father certainly could have been. JonBenet lost her life because of it.

I've never once thought Burke was responsible.

My own opinion is expressed without ill will to anyone.

 

[Case Cracker]

Case Cracker,
Welcome to websleuths, I'm sure you will enjoy your time here.


You just might be right. Patsy likely showered to get rid of any bloodstains, detritus via handling JonBenet.
Her not showering is her overthinking the problem, i.e. if your gonna wear dirty clothes why bother with a shower, that would represent *advertiser censored* laude common sense to Patsy.

BTW, John says he showered, so Patsy could have used, even SHARED his shower?


In court Patsy's fibers in the paint tray are NOT a big deal as they might have arrived there during a prior painting session.


You never know Patsy and John just might have been Getting It On, while JonBenet and Burke were left to indulge themselves with pineapple snacks, etc.

Both Patsy and John with were hit with Child Abuse True Bills. This might reflect the Grand Juries opinion that JonBenet was left to get on with it, on Christmas Night?


Just hearsay.


Just hearsay.


Fibers from BOTH parents were found on JonBenet in the wine-cellar.

Touch-dna found on the Barbie Nightgown only ruled out John, leaving Burke or Patsy as potential matches.

Burke's Hi-Tec footprint found in the wine-cellar links HIM to the winecellar.







So the bottom line is this: is the Coroner's opinion valid or has his evidence base been faked?

Case Cracker,
Welcome to websleuths, I'm sure you will enjoy your time here.


You just might be right. Patsy likely showered to get rid of any bloodstains, detritus via handling JonBenet.
Her not showering is her overthinking the problem, i.e. if your gonna wear dirty clothes why bother with a shower, that would represent *advertiser censored* laude common sense to Patsy.

BTW, John says he showered, so Patsy could have used, even SHARED his shower?


In court Patsy's fibers in the paint tray are NOT a big deal as they might have arrived there during a prior painting session.


You never know Patsy and John just might have been Getting It On, while JonBenet and Burke were left to indulge themselves with pineapple snacks, etc.

Both Patsy and John with were hit with Child Abuse True Bills. This might reflect the Grand Juries opinion that JonBenet was left to get on with it, on Christmas Night?


Just hearsay.


Just hearsay.


Fibers from BOTH parents were found on JonBenet in the wine-cellar.

Touch-dna found on the Barbie Nightgown only ruled out John, leaving Burke or Patsy as potential matches.

Burke's Hi-Tec footprint found in the wine-cellar links HIM to the winecellar.







So the bottom line is this: is the Coroner's opinion valid or has his evidence base been faked?

Hi UKGuy

Thanks so much for your reply

I've read many of your posts and thoroughly enjoyed them! Oviously you have studied this case for an extremely long time and have a wealth of knowledge regarding it.

I started looking at this case a couple of years back and now returned to it again. It's one of the most puzzling & frustrating cases I've looked at. Just when you think you've worked it out, there's peices that don't fit & of course the staging sends each senerio off course.

P & J might of been getting it on, that definitely would account for P not being around that nite. Although I've read a number of times their marriage wasn't going well and it was like a boss and secretary relationship. Also its stated by J, after P's surgery, apparently she found it extremely painful to get it on with him.

Interesting thought regarding the Patsy's fibres found in the paint tray, surely she wouldn't of been painting in a good jacket and then wore to the Whites dinner. These fibres also found on the sticky side of the duct tape on Jonbenets mouth.

I see see in xmas morning pics, Burke was wearing blue pj's. Weren't some blue fuzz balls found on Jonbenet? It would be interesting to know if those p.js were tested. Did any test reveal if it was Js dressing gown or the Isreal jumper that he had worn the night before?

Do you think Jonbenet was wearing the pink nightgown when this happened. There's been alot of comments on the turtleneck but here is her favorite nighty left with her and has Pasty & Burkes DNA and Jonbenets blood on it. Surely this was what she was wearing.

Oh I have soooo many questions on this case aghhh

Can I ask your thoughts UKGuy on what you think makes the most sense.

Thanks for taking the time, I'm already enjoying being on here

 

[Case Cracker]

Judith's interview is enlightening in several aspects; none of which are surprising. In fact, my thoughts align very much with those of her own.

I do; however, find it difficult to believe that PR attended a Christmas party after her children went to bed given the fact that there was an early morning flight to MI. PR wearing the same clothes as the day before makes it seem possible, maybe even probable, that she had not been at the marital home for some hours. There must be an explanation for her attire.

I was married when JBR was murdered. After working each day, I watched intently any coverage on TV. When the Ramsey's conducted the interview with Larry King, my now EX said, "Her mother did it!" I was outraged by his accusation. It took years and voluminous reading to come the point I reached some years ago.

That page in the dictionary with the page turned down to the word "incest" spoke to my spirit. PR wouldn't molest her daughter but her father certainly could have been. JonBenet lost her life because of it.

I've never once thought Burke was responsible.

My own opinion is expressed without ill will to anyone.

Hey DeDee

Thanks for your reply, its awesome to be chatting to people with so much knowledge on the case , I wished I'd joined sooner!

As I mentioned to UKGuy, each time you think you've worked out what occurred, there's peices that just don't quite fit, obviously all the staging creates some smoke and mirrors.

When I read Steve Thomas's book, I was speechless. The dictionary was a shocker!, The question is... who opened the dictionary to that page and dog eared it? Did P do so to leave a non verbal message to say she knew what was going on to the person? Or was a child looking up a word they'd heard a parent discussing ( discussing a situation going on) although I don't see a child dog earring the page. Or was it a friend in the house that morning who was trying to leave a message for the police?
The Diane Hollis story certainly fits into this scenario and makes alot sense. Also it explains why both parents were so oddly apart from each other that morning and barely spoke according to witnesses. Even the victim support thought the parents were separated. Although if it was bdi, j could of been angry with p for not seeking more help for B if things had been going on leading up to this and people such as Linda the house keeper said she caught them playing doctors and nurses. Then there's that strange 9 11 call days prior that Susan took care of at the door and didn't let police come in? Would love to hear more of your thoughts on this case DeDee

 

[MsBetsy]

Nearly 26 years after JonBenet Ramsey's murder, Boulder police to consult with Cold Case Review Team

"This crime has left a hole in the hearts of many, and we will never stop investigating until we find JonBenet's killer."

www.cbsnews.com

Nearly 26 years after JonBenet Ramsey's murder, Boulder police to consult with Cold Case Review Team​

CBSColorado.com Staff - 14h ago

Investigators looking into the murder of JonBenet Ramsey will consult with the Colorado Cold Case Review team and collaborate with a private DNA lab next year. Boulder police hope new technology could lead to the 6-year-old's killer. JonBenet Ramsey died 26 years ago this December. Her murder has never been solved.

Boulder police say detectives have traveled to 19 states and talked with 1,000 people after following leads of more than 21,000 letters and emails.


American child JonBenét Ramsey was murdered at age 6, in Boulder. Axel Koester/Sygma via Getty Images© Provided by CBS Denver

This is good news. John Ramsey asked the governor to approve of an outside agency to handle the unknown DNA and take over that part of the investigation so I assume it's been approved?

The DNA found in the waistband of Jon Benets long johns was touch DNA and technology seems to be making advances every day. Sounds like they may be one step closer to solving this crime!

 

[DeDee]

"Their voices may now be silent . . . those who may know the truth are not." ~ Voltaire

In July 2007, legislation was passed that created the Cold Case Team at the CBI along with the Cold Case Task Force and the Cold Case Database.

The Review Team is comprised of professional investigative, analytical, and forensic experts from across the state.

Family members cannot request a presentation directly to the Review Team. All requests must be made through the Investigating Agency. Any agency interested in presenting their case to the Review Team should contact Investigative Analyst Audrey Simkins at [email protected]

The Cold Case Task Force is a Board under the Colorado Department of Public Safety. Although, the CBI is a participant, all documents and reports related to the Cold Case Task Force can be found on the Colorado Department of Public Safety website.

Cold Case | Colorado Bureau of Investigation

Cold Case Task Force | Department of Public Safety

 

[MsBetsy]

I recall reading that Genetic DNA processing takes just a few hours. But then they have build a family tree and work to narrow it down, which can take a long time.

I hope they're successful!

I'll be waiting for the new thread once they find her killer. This family has been waiting a very long time for justice.

 

[DeDee]

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moo

It's possible unpleasant memories for JonBenet lived in that basement that caused her dislike for it. That pesky blue Samsonite contained the only adult book The Seven Lady Godivas written by Dr Seuss and blue comforter that had JAR's dna. This book introduces the character Peeping Tom and has nude sketches within the pages.

.

 

[UKGuy]

Hi UKGuy

Thanks so much for your reply

I've read many of your posts and thoroughly enjoyed them! Oviously you have studied this case for an extremely long time and have a wealth of knowledge regarding it.

I started looking at this case a couple of years back and now returned to it again. It's one of the most puzzling & frustrating cases I've looked at. Just when you think you've worked it out, there's peices that don't fit & of course the staging sends each senerio off course.

P & J might of been getting it on, that definitely would account for P not being around that nite. Although I've read a number of times their marriage wasn't going well and it was like a boss and secretary relationship. Also its stated by J, after P's surgery, apparently she found it extremely painful to get it on with him.

Interesting thought regarding the Patsy's fibres found in the paint tray, surely she wouldn't of been painting in a good jacket and then wore to the Whites dinner. These fibres also found on the sticky side of the duct tape on Jonbenets mouth.

I see see in xmas morning pics, Burke was wearing blue pj's. Weren't some blue fuzz balls found on Jonbenet? It would be interesting to know if those p.js were tested. Did any test reveal if it was Js dressing gown or the Isreal jumper that he had worn the night before?

Do you think Jonbenet was wearing the pink nightgown when this happened. There's been alot of comments on the turtleneck but here is her favorite nighty left with her and has Pasty & Burkes DNA and Jonbenets blood on it. Surely this was what she was wearing.

Oh I have soooo many questions on this case aghhh

Can I ask your thoughts UKGuy on what you think makes the most sense.

Thanks for taking the time, I'm already enjoying being on here

Case Cracker,

Interesting thought regarding the Patsy's fibres found in the paint tray, surely she wouldn't of been painting in a good jacket and then wore to the Whites dinner. These fibres also found on the sticky side of the duct tape on Jonbenets mouth.

Sure, but there is no date given to the fiber deposit.

Patsy can claim they arrived any time in the paint tray in the past as she painted, e.g. the day she asked LHP to move the paint tray, etc.

Patsy's fibers found in the wine-cellar link her directly to the crime-scene.

Same with JR, linked via fibers to JonBenet's corpse.

BR is linked via his touch DNA on the Barbie Gown.

This is a postmortem crime-scene and it should not be there.

The same forensic evidence found elswehere in the house might have no significance?

I see see in xmas morning pics, Burke was wearing blue pj's. Weren't some blue fuzz balls found on Jonbenet? It would be interesting to know if those p.js were tested. Did any test reveal if it was Js dressing gown or the Isreal jumper that he had worn the night before?

BPD and JR say he wore an expensive black woolen shirt the night JonBenet was killed. With BPD saying fibers from the shirt were found inside JonBenet's underwear. That is code for you KNOW what. wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

Atlanta 2000 Interview with John, Excerpt

10 Q. You provided us with two shirts.
11 One of them had a collar, it's a wool shirt
12 made in Israel. The other one did not have
13 a collar. Do you have a belief as to which
14 one was the actual shirt that you were
15 wearing on Christmas '96?
16 A. I don't remember, I guess. And
17 if I -- well, I think the issue, if I
18 recall was I couldn't remember which one, so
19 I think we sent you both. But I mean, I'd
20 have to look at pictures, I guess, to
21 compare. I don't remember that far back.
22 Q. Mr. Ramsey, I take it, and
23 correct me if I am wrong, please, that the
24 fact that you sent two shirts as opposed to
25 one indicated you were not certain which of
0030
1 the two you were wearing?
2 A. Well, I think that's what we did,
3 but I don't, I mean, I don't remember
4 exactly the logic. I know that we were
5 asked about shoes, and the picture didn't

Johns black shirt manufactured in Israel will be unlike any other black shirt found in the USofA !
i.e. the fibers found on JonBenet are his!

Atlanta 2000 Interview with John, Excerpt

17 Q. We have been provided, and again,
18 one of the sources of this information is
19 confidential grand jury material I can tell
20 you in the question, but we have been
21 provided information from two sources that
22 your son Burke, prior to the murder of your
23 daughter, owned and wore Hi-Tec boots that
24 had a compass on them, which makes them
25 distinctive.
0031
1 Do you recall -- if you don't
2 recall that they actually were Hi-Tec, do you
3 remember Burke having boots that had a
4 compass on the laces?
5 A. Vaguely. I don't know if they
6 were boots or tennis shoes. My memory is
7 they were tennis shoes, but that is very
8 vague. He had boots that had lights on them
9 and all sorts of different things.
10 Q. But you do have some recollection
11 that he had some type of footwear that had
12 compasses attached to them?
13 A. I don't, I don't specifically
14 remember them, but my impression is that he
15 did, in my mind, yeah. But my impression
16 was that they were tennis shoes.
17 Q. Sneakers?
18 A. Sneakers. Yeah. Ask Burke if he
19 remembers it.
20 I said, ask Burke, perhaps he --
21 well, we could certainly ask Burke.

Grand Jury evidence links BR owning Hi-Tec boots to the footprint in the wine-cellar, note how JR develops ramnesia then specifies OTHER brands? Otherwise JR would not care less, "boots oh sure maybe they were Jack Boots?"

Atlanta 2000 Interview with John, Excerpt

21 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mr. Ramsey, it is
22 our belief based on forensic evidence that
23 there are hairs that are associated, that the
24 source is the collared black shirt that you
25 sent us that are found in your daughter's
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1 underpants, and I wondered if you --
2 A. . I don't believe that.
3 I don't buy it. If you are trying to
4 disgrace my relationship with my daughter --
5 Q. Mr. Ramsey, I am not trying to
6 disgrace --
7 A. Well, I don't believe it. I
8 think you are. That's disgusting.

....

Later after lots of Hot Air from Lin Wood

6 MR. LEVIN: Let's move on to
7 another topic.
8 THE WITNESS: If the question is
9 how did fibers of your shirt get into your
10 daughter's underwear, I say that is not
11 possible. I don't believe it. That is
12 ridiculous.

Just ridiculous not impossible though.

So BR's pajamas might have left in the same manner as JonBenet's bloodstained size-6 underwear?

I've never seen any evidence list itemizing BR's pajamas. They could be gone for ever?

Do you think Jonbenet was wearing the pink nightgown when this happened. There's been alot of comments on the turtleneck but here is her favorite nighty left with her and has Pasty & Burkes DNA and Jonbenets blood on it. Surely this was what she was wearing.

With JonBenet's blood on the Barbie Gown this suggests she was wearing it prior to being redressed.

The Gown has to make way for the White Gap Top if the Ramsey's story is going to be: We Put Her Straight To Bed?

Can I ask your thoughts UKGuy on what you think makes the most sense.

Any of the three main RDI theories are credible, some more than others.

In ranking order:
BDI is the most consistent, it explains way more stuff than PDI or JDI does.

PDI Is also credible as Patsy's fibers are all over the wine-cellar, under the sticky tape, etc. Yet why would Patsy stage herself into such a crime-scene to evade detection? If she was some dumb low-life, OK, then she might be stupid enough to fake an obvious bogus crime-scene. She has NO explanation for the size-12s, really, how so?


JDI The least credible but only due to a lack of forensic evidence. His obvious motive is the abuse of JonBenet as his personal relationship with Patsy is deteriorating.

The Ramseys had a dysfunctional family lifestyle. JonBenet and Burke regularly shared beds. John was absent for long periods during which Patsy likely let the kids do whatever?

BDI might be the answer with BR ONLY whacking JonBenet out of anger, the rest being staged.

The SA might represent fake evidence to mask prior abuse?

Then again the above scenario matches PDI nicely with Patsy going postal on JonBenet because she is disobeying Patsy, e.g. Turtleneck?

BR knows who killed JonBenet. As if he did not do it, only PR and JR are left. So from all the subsequent forensic evidence releases and the accusations in the True Bills, BR can work out who did it. Particularly if the case is JDI? JR's constant tweaking of the postmortem evidence is really curious, e.g. BR and the flashlight.

 

[DeDee]

* In court Patsy's fibers in the paint tray are NOT a big deal as they might have arrived there during a prior painting session.

Both Patsy and John with were hit with Child Abuse True Bills. This might reflect the Grand Juries opinion that JonBenet was left to get on with it, on Christmas Night?

* Touch-dna found on the Barbie Nightgown only ruled out John, leaving Burke or Patsy as potential matches.

* Burke's Hi-Tec footprint found in the wine-cellar links HIM to the winecellar.

RSBMFF

"Both Patsy and John with were hit with Child Abuse True Bills. This might reflect the Grand Juries opinion that JonBenet was left to get on with it, on Christmas Night?"

JB was "left to get on with it" meaning get on with what exactly, UKG?

* Patsy's sweater fibers in the paint tray is highly inflammatory evidence and must not be dismissed nor ignored.

* asterick's are mine

* Burke's Hi-Tec footprint found in the wine-cellar links HIM to the winecellar.

I need proof the boot print found in the HellHole WineCellar was Burke's. FW Jr owned a pair of Hi-Tecs. So did many on the police force.

What you may be doing is stating opinions as facts. That would be against TOS.

s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

 

[DeDee]

Case Cracker,

Sure, but there is no date given to the fiber deposit.

Patsy can claim they arrived any time in the paint tray in the past as she painted, e.g. the day she asked LHP to move the paint tray, etc.

Patsy's fibers found in the wine-cellar link her directly to the crime-scene.

This is the critical and most vital parts of the evidence. PRs fibers are all over the critical items located on her daughter and her body. PRs found in the rope twisted in the garrote, on the tape over her mouth, on the white blanket, on her pink Barbie nightie, the bowl of pineapple, none are on the ransom note, JR read it in his boxers and bathrobe while peering down at the step where it was placed without touching it.

Same with JR, linked via fibers to JonBenet's corpse.

If JB carried his daughter upstairs to bed, his Israeli shirt fibers should not be found on her tush later. He did touch her as they made their way upstairs when arriving home from the White's dinner party? He placed her in bed that evening.

BR is linked via his touch DNA on the Barbie Gown.

Which night did she wear this nightie gown to sleep? Was it found clinging to the white blanket that may hv been in the clothes dryer in the basement? Not on Christmas Night? Hugging a sister Good night would leave touch dna

This is a postmortem crime-scene and it should not be there.

Correct.

The same forensic evidence found elswehere in the house might have no significance?

All evidence is important.

<SNIP> fibers from the shirt were found inside JonBenet's underwear. That is code for you KNOW what. wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

Huh? what does wink wink nudge nudge mean, please?

JAR is linked to the HellHole CS via the bleu Samsonite holding the bleu comforter that was his. The book of nudes was said to be given to JAR and not kept as evidence which is rather odd.

Nothing gathered as potential evidence of a crime should have been returned. MOO

 

[Case Cracker]

Nearly 26 years after JonBenet Ramsey's murder, Boulder police to consult with Cold Case Review Team

"This crime has left a hole in the hearts of many, and we will never stop investigating until we find JonBenet's killer."

www.cbsnews.com

Nearly 26 years after JonBenet Ramsey's murder, Boulder police to consult with Cold Case Review Team​

CBSColorado.com Staff - 14h ago

Investigators looking into the murder of JonBenet Ramsey will consult with the Colorado Cold Case Review team and collaborate with a private DNA lab next year. Boulder police hope new technology could lead to the 6-year-old's killer. JonBenet Ramsey died 26 years ago this December. Her murder has never been solved.

Boulder police say detectives have traveled to 19 states and talked with 1,000 people after following leads of more than 21,000 letters and emails.


American child JonBenét Ramsey was murdered at age 6, in Boulder. Axel Koester/Sygma via Getty Images© Provided by CBS Denver

This is good news. John Ramsey asked the governor to approve of an outside agency to handle the unknown DNA and take over that part of the investigation so I assume it's been approved?

The DNA found in the waistband of Jon Benets long johns was touch DNA and technology seems to be making advances every day. Sounds like they may be one step closer to solving this crime!

Hey thanks for posting this article, I read this may happen awhile ago. Isn't this the DNA that they assume is from a factory worker where the underpants were made?

This is the critical and most vital parts of the evidence. PRs fibers are all over the critical items located on her daughter and her body. PRs found in the rope twisted in the garrote, on the tape over her mouth, on the white blanket, on her pink Barbie nightie, the bowl of pineapple, none are on the ransom note, JR read it in his boxers and bathrobe while peering down at the step where it was placed without touching it.



If JB carried his daughter upstairs to bed, his Israeli shirt fibers should not be found on her tush later. He did touch her as they made their way upstairs when arriving home from the White's dinner party? He placed her in bed that evening.


Which night did she wear this nightie gown to sleep? Was it found clinging to the white blanket that may hv been in the clothes dryer in the basement? Not on Christmas Night? Hugging a sister Good night would leave touch dna


Correct.


All evidence is important.


Huh? what does wink wink nudge nudge mean, please?


Nothing gathered as potential evidence of a crime should have been returned. MOO

The pink nightgown could of come from the dryer BUT I feel this is highly unlikely as we MUST Remember...it had spots of blood and DNA on it so it doesn't seem like it was washed and dried.

 

[Case Cracker]

This is the critical and most vital parts of the evidence. PRs fibers are all over the critical items located on her daughter and her body. PRs found in the rope twisted in the garrote, on the tape over her mouth, on the white blanket, on her pink Barbie nightie, the bowl of pineapple, none are on the ransom note, JR read it in his boxers and bathrobe while peering down at the step where it was placed without touching it.



If JB carried his daughter upstairs to bed, his Israeli shirt fibers should not be found on her tush later. He did touch her as they made their way upstairs when arriving home from the White's dinner party? He placed her in bed that evening.


Which night did she wear this nightie gown to sleep? Was it found clinging to the white blanket that may hv been in the clothes dryer in the basement? Not on Christmas Night? Hugging a sister Good night would leave touch dna


Correct.


All evidence is important.


Huh? what does wink wink nudge nudge mean, please?


Nothing gathered as potential evidence of a crime should have been returned. MOO

Absolutely DeDee, there's no way J's fibers should be where they found them. On her clothes from carrying her...yes! But certainly not in her crotch area. Any parent discovering their child missing and finding a ransom note, they would be touching and reading it, especially the sheer length it was yet absolutely no fingers from the parents were found on it, not one! just like the Maglite torch. Isn't that the strangest thing!

 

[Case Cracker]

RSBMFF

"Both Patsy and John with were hit with Child Abuse True Bills. This might reflect the Grand Juries opinion that JonBenet was left to get on with it, on Christmas Night?"

JB was "left to get on with it" meaning get on with what exactly, UKG?

* Patsy's sweater fibers in the paint tray is highly inflammatory evidence and must not be dismissed nor ignored.

* asterick's are mine

* Burke's Hi-Tec footprint found in the wine-cellar links HIM to the winecellar.

I need proof the boot print found in the HellHole WineCellar was Burke's. FW Jr owned a pair of Hi-Tecs. So did many on the police force.

What you may be doing is stating opinions as facts. That would be against TOS.

s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

I read it could of been the police who left the boot print. I'm not sure Burke would be wondering around wearing bulky boots that night after he got home. Children tend to run around the house in barefoot or socks.

 

[Case Cracker]

Case Cracker,

Sure, but there is no date given to the fiber deposit.

Patsy can claim they arrived any time in the paint tray in the past as she painted, e.g. the day she asked LHP to move the paint tray, etc.

Patsy's fibers found in the wine-cellar link her directly to the crime-scene.

Same with JR, linked via fibers to JonBenet's corpse.

BR is linked via his touch DNA on the Barbie Gown.

This is a postmortem crime-scene and it should not be there.

The same forensic evidence found elswehere in the house might have no significance?



BPD and JR say he wore an expensive black woolen shirt the night JonBenet was killed. With BPD saying fibers from the shirt were found inside JonBenet's underwear. That is code for you KNOW what. wink, wink, nudge, nudge.




Johns black shirt manufactured in Israel will be unlike any other black shirt found in the USofA !
i.e. the fibers found on JonBenet are his!

Absolutely UKGuy, Js fibers in the underpants, Jonbenet had been washed down. P's fibres all over the place and entwined in the ligature, jonbenets favorite nightgown with her blood on it. J stating to the police... a chair was placed in front of the door to the room with the broken window then realized an intruder couldn't place a chair there after shutting the door. Calling a pilot to get out of town after finding his daughter dead and saying he had an important meeting to attend when the plan had been to meet family in Charlesvoix. Also stating to his son they found j.b at 11am...the time linda arnt found him missing for an hour. which is damming evidence in moo. Why though was a Samsonite case placed under the window to look like an intruder used it when a chair was close by and would of looked far more convincing. Also no marks etc on the wall and how would an intruder get a 6 year old girl and themselves out that way and without any debris from the outside dirt next to the window well and cobwebs still attached. Moreover, this foreign faction supposedly took her from her bedroom and went downstairs, why didn't they use the front door that was right at the bottom of the stairs? Im assuming the foreign faction didnt use use the spural staircase to maneuver themselves with a 6 year old child in arms. Why would they continue twisting and turning around further areas aling with another flight of stairs then wonder around a basement only to struggle to get up and out of that tiny basement window. Absolutely mindblowing that anyone would buy that story.

 

[MsBetsy]

Hey thanks for posting this article, I read this may happen awhile ago. Isn't this the DNA that they assume is from a factory worker where the underpants were made?

The pink nightgown could of come from the dryer BUT I feel this is highly unlikely as we MUST Remember...it had spots of blood and DNA on it so it doesn't seem like it was washed and dried.

No, it is the unknown DNA found in Jon Benets underwear and on the waistband of her long johns they have wanted to test for what seems like forever. Now it looks like it's finally going to happen. Once they find a familial match, they have to build a family tree, and narrow it down from there, which is the part that can take a long time. Then since whoevers DNA it is is not in CODIS, they need to obtain the suspects DNA just to be sure.

So it's not like they will solve the case any time soon but at least they are taking the first step. The family shouldn't have had to fight so hard to get this done, I don't know why the police dept. was so resistant.