Hurricane Florence - September 2018

  • #261
Noise was mentioned frequently. Staying in a room with screaming kids isn't something I'd be able to handle. Can't blame the kids, obviously they're scared but...
That is useful to know. When I heard about shelters, my first thought was that I would be willing to volunteer to help with kids. I like working with kids and have experience. I would be willing to work with others to provide some relief to families by organizing the kids with activities, food, etc. Then I thought - well, volunteers would need to go through background checks before being allowed to work with children and that takes time. (I'm not in the path or near it so this is all hypothetical for me to think about.)

Assistance for children is something that could be addressed, but it would all need to be set up in advance, of course.

(I wouldn't want to be in a room with screaming kids either!)

jmo
 
  • #262
People I know who've evacuated to shelters in the past, swear they will never do it again.

After Irma American Express was amazing! They did it for everyone , automatically on thier own!

They made no min payment due - for like 6 months - it was amazing

when i went online i got so confused i had to call them!

she explained that statewide they are giving folks in irmas path a chance to catch their breath -- it was not that everything did not paid --it was we are not destroying peoples credit cause they just went through a hurricane

restored comfort in humanity!!
 
  • #263
What happens when people have no money coming in because they cannot work? Certainly mortgages and credit company bills don’t stop.

I do not know whereI would go in such an emergency. No relatives anywhere near . A shelter sounds horrifying.

We felt the same way with Sandy. We had no where to go and I wasn't leaving my pets behind (I know it's silly to think, but if you have pets you understand). There was 1 shelter open that was pet-friendly but we needed crates. We don't crate our dog so we don't have one. We have 2 cats and neither one have crates. I wasn't going to go out and spend $$$ on crates, besides my pets would freak out if they were crated for days in a room with other pets.

We thought about leaving and started looking into hotel rooms but even the fleabag motels over hundred miles away in a bad area (the only availability) was over $200 a night (price gouging at it's finest). In the meantime you are spending $$$ on securing your home - including finding and laying out money for plywood, cutting and nailing them to windows, getting extra gas and food, buying $500 generators (if you can find'em), etc. Not only that, but after the power is out you are forced to eat out at restaurants, again an expense - sure The Red Cross came around once a day with a hot meal, but after a week you can't stomach that food anymore.

So, we stayed. If a Cat 2 or higher came, we probably would have packed the car up, drove to Pennsylvania and slept in a rest area.

It's not easy, it's not cheap. I feel for the 1.5 million people who have evacuated. It's going to be a long, long road ahead - not gonna lie.

As far as the mortgage, I kept paying mine but I think if you were affected you could call and they might have been able to waive a month or two, same with credit cards. The last thing anyone who has come home to a destructed home is to worry about paying bills - when you know you will be spending $$$ out of pocket until that first insurance check arrives.
 
  • #264
You're not the only one...I woke up to WHAT???

Where is it going????

Savannah, Georgia / Hilton Head Island? Is that still the path, i know it was when I turned on TWC at 5:00am.
 
  • #265
  • #266
We felt the same way with Sandy. We had no where to go and I wasn't leaving my pets behind (I know it's silly to think, but if you have pets you understand). There was 1 shelter open that was pet-friendly but we needed crates. We don't crate our dog so we don't have one. We have 2 cats and neither one have crates. I wasn't going to go out and spend $$$ on crates, besides my pets would freak out if they were crated for days in a room with other pets.

We thought about leaving and started looking into hotel rooms but even the fleabag motels over hundred miles away in a bad area (the only availability) was over $200 a night (price gouging at it's finest). In the meantime you are spending $$$ on securing your home - including finding and laying out money for plywood, cutting and nailing them to windows, getting extra gas and food, buying $500 generators (if you can find'em), etc. Not only that, but after the power is out you are forced to eat out at restaurants, again an expense - sure The Red Cross came around once a day with a hot meal, but after a week you can't stomach that food anymore.

So, we stayed. If a Cat 2 or higher came, we probably would have packed the car up, drove to Pennsylvania and slept in a rest area.

It's not easy, it's not cheap. I feel for the 1.5 million people who have evacuated. It's going to be a long, long road ahead - not gonna lie.

As far as the mortgage, I kept paying mine but I think if you were affected you could call and they might have been able to waive a month or two, same with credit cards. The last thing anyone who has come home to a destructed home is to worry about paying bills - when you know you will be spending $$$ out of pocket until that first insurance check arrives.
If you had crates in advance, would you have considered a shelter?

Just wondering if "crate preparation" could be something humane societies, etc. do as an outreach when it's not hurricane season.

jmo
 
  • #267
FEMA began transporting meals, water and cots to Fort Bragg (North Carolina) over the weekend. “At this time FEMA has about 100 tractor trailers staged here and more are in-bound. FEMA will direct when and where they’ll go in order to put the supplies to the best use."

Army preps for Hurricane Florence: Basic training graduation canceled, FEMA staging at Bragg, Guard activated

the numbers yesterday (not sure for what area)

were 800 000 water

1200 cots

34 generators

Irma:

More than 800 FEMA tractor trailers will be leaving

5 million meals, 100,000 tarps, more than 2 million liters of water, 47,000 blankets and 19,000 cots were included in the supplies managed by a FEMA Incident Management Assistance Team deployed to Alabama.


800 FEMA trucks rolling out of Alabama towards Irma relief
 
  • #268
If you had crates in advance, would you have considered a shelter?

Just wondering if "crate preparation" could be something humane societies, etc. do as an outreach when it's not hurricane season.

jmo

At the time I was considering it, in the future, I don't know from hearing all the horror stories, but if I did go into a shelter I want to be able to have the option of leaving at any time if I don't like it. I don't know what the shelter rules are.

What I would do in the future is book a hotel room far in advance of even a hint of a storm coming this way, with the option to cancel for free.
 
  • #269
Hurricane Florence is now expected to slow down and turn south after making a roaring landfall along the East Coast, a forecast that could have dire consequences for South Carolina.

"Latest models show a ridge building over eastern U.S. slowing down Florence near our coast, stalling, then moving into South Carolina."

The slowdown could mean 20 inches of rain or more in some areas, along with an extended period of high winds that could take down trees and power lines.

"The NHC track has been adjusted southward ... and additional southward adjustment may be warranted in future advisories," the National Hurricane Center said Wednesday.

Speaking of the unusual forecast track, which shows a spin to the south along the South Carolina coast, a Weather Channel meteorologist said, "I've never seen anything like this."

bbm

Hurricane Florence track turns south, likely 'storm of a lifetime' for Carolinas

Hashtag that has been posted around the 'net: #NoFlo

FEMA has had an interesting learning curve since their debacle in Louisiana and New Orleans over H. Katrina. Once FEMA was on the ground in New Orleans, after the storm, they took the bit in their teeth, and attempted to assume absolute control. The lesson of 9/11 was still too fresh in the Federal mindset at the time.

FEMA at the very first, demanded that the Governor of Louisiana sign over control of the Louisiana National Guard to them. This did nothing but delay rescue efforts, which the White House blamed on a lack of cooperation on the part of Louisiana.

Federal guards on the perimeter of New Orleans turned away the finest small boatsmen in the world, The Cajun Navy. These are Louisuana Cajuns and others who swarmed East on I-10, with their boats in tow, to assist in New Orleans ,"black water" rescues. This as they always have after devastating storm related flooding. The Feds told The Cajun Navy to leave the boats though, as they had their own people coming in to operate them (from the East Coast and California. You ever had a Water Moccasin try to crawl into your John boat? It only happens in the South!) The Feds later cited a lack of security clearances for the Cajuns, as a reason.

FEMA showed up at the Jefferson Parish (immediately adjacent to Orleans Parish) Emergency Operations Center (JPEOC) and without asking anyone for permission, cut the EOC's leads to their own standing antenna farm and connected them to FEMA's radio trailers. FEMA then told the JPEOC "they no longer needed radios, as FEMA is now here". Armed Jefferson Parish Deputies soon convinced FEMA otherwise.

Also, when the JPEOC (staged at a Hospital) sent a fuel tanker to pick up bought and paid for diesel fuel at a tank farm for the Hospital and Parish emergency electrical generators, the fuel truck was turned away by armed Federal Protective Service Guards (FPS). The Parish was told to submit a written request for fuel to FEMA, and FEMA would then release to the Parish whatever Diesel fuel to the Parish that FEMA deemed necessary. 3 squad cars of JP Deputies armed with their own M-16s, Shotguns and sidearms convinced the FPS Guards otherwise. The JPEOC got its previously (before the storm) contracted Diesel Fuel delivery.

(All of this was documented in The Times-Picayune New Orleans City newspaper, at the time and in the months following the storm. Also I myself was in Jefferson Parish before and after the worst of H. Katrina).

FEMA has learned, and has gotten much better about assisting State Governments in disaster events, and not trying to take control as if a storm ravaged city were the site of a terrorist attack. I hope that FEMA will continue to prudently provide assistance to the States that will be devastated by this H. Katrina strength storm. H. Florence's main destructive force won't be the wind damage, it will come from storm tidal surge and prolonged rain related flooding, as it was with Katrina.

Also, the White House may have to invoke the Federal Posse Comitatus Act, to allow the U.S. Military to actively participate in storm recovery efforts.

After H. Katrina, the U.S. Air Forces Para-rescue Pathfinder Teams played a vital and almost unknown role in reaching (parachuting in at the start) and reopening the runways and control towers at the Louis Armstrong International Airport (in Jefferson Parish), to be used as multi-agency rescue staging and evacuation ops area for both helicopter and fixed wing aircraft and a Military Field Hospital. This Federal Military resoponse saved many, many lives. (This was also documented in the Times-Picayune newspaper.)

The U.S. Military has a vital role, not involving M-16s, providing disaster relief assistance and support after a coastal domestic catastrophe. They have GREAT toys like fleets of Helicopters, and Field Hospitals, and Amphibious Landing Ships with helicopters, and Hospital Ships and the people trained to use all of this, and much, much more to contribute to the rescue effort. MRE anyone?

Let's all hope that the lessons learned from H. Katrina, H. Harvey and Puerto Rico are remembered and heeded as a Federal and State response goes forward. FEMA pre-staging supplies and 100 trailers at Fort Bragg is a good sign of things to come, as is the Army staging 300 helicopters and fuel and water.

We can all only hope for the best. God Bless all in harm's way this week!
 
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  • #270
the numbers yesterday (not sure for what area)

were 800 000 water

1200 cots

34 generators

Irma:

More than 800 FEMA tractor trailers will be leaving

5 million meals, 100,000 tarps, more than 2 million liters of water, 47,000 blankets and 19,000 cots were included in the supplies managed by a FEMA Incident Management Assistance Team deployed to Alabama.


800 FEMA trucks rolling out of Alabama towards Irma relief

That's not enough resources for 1.5 million people. Even if half that returns to their habitable homes, what happens to the 750,000 that are still homeless?
 
  • #271
Georgia

The latest projections show Hurricane Florence shifting slightly to the south, putting parts of Georgia at risk for heavy rain and possible flooding.

✔@realDonaldTrump
Hurricane Florence may now be dipping a bit south and hitting a portion of the Great State of Georgia. Be ready, be prepared!
9:58 AM - Sep 12, 2018

Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal’s office is closely monitoring the storm and coordinating with coastal communities. As the storm’s path changes, Deal’s office said it would wait on further updates to decide whether to declare a state of emergency and take other precautions.

“The problem is the models are starting to differ a little bit and trying to stall it along the North Carolina-South Carolina coast, and possibly curve it back across South Carolina toward Georgia,” a Channel 2 meteorologist said. “But also there’s another scenario where it brings it down through the Savannah River valley and then back up toward the north.”

Hurricane Florence could impact Georgia, new models show
 
  • #272
Jax49 said:
You're not the only one...I woke up to WHAT???

Where is it going????

TY I am still there --Fema kinda spun up my brain ! It is just weird to have all this confusion so close to landfall

others have done it but IIRC there was like advance notice that there was confusion

Florence was acting normally stuff moved together but to wake up this

( at first I thought i was looking at some modeling from days ago! Then I had to check the date on the computer and then it was like this IS earlier today )
 
  • #273
That's not enough resources for 1.5 million people. Even if half that returns to their habitable homes, what happens to the 750,000 that are still homeless?

See Maria for details --

this used to be America -- life was important than money

I wish Honore would come out of retirement for a couple of weeks

You cried when you finally saw a lot of stuff finally happening
 
  • #274
..AIR FORCE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT FINDS FLORENCE HAS CHANGED LITTLE WHILE MOVING TOWARD THE U.S. SOUTHEAST COAST... ...LIFE-THREATENING STORM SURGE AND RAINFALL EXPECTED ACROSS LARGE PORTIONS OF THE CAROLINAS AND MID-ATLANTIC STATES...
11:00 AM EDT Wed Sep 12
Location: 29.8°N 71.3°W
Moving: NW at 15 mph
Min pressure: 943 mb
Max sustained: 130 mph
 
  • #275
Anyone else have an eye on Super Typhoon Mangkhut in the pacific, the typhoon “will pose considerable threat to the coast of Guangdong,” a coastal province in China with more than 100 million people.

I wonder how they evacuate.

Super Typhoon Mangkhut Heads Toward Philippines and China.
 
  • #276
FEMA has had an interesting learning curve since their debacle in Louisiana and New Orleans over H. Katrina. Once FEMA was on the ground in New Orleans, after the storm, they took the bit in their teeth, and attempted to assume absolute control. The lesson of 9/11 was still too fresh in the Federal mindset at the time.

FEMA at the very first, demanded that the Governor of Louisiana sign over control of the Louisiana National Guard to them. This did nothing but delay rescue efforts, which the White House blamed on a lack of cooperation on the part of Louisiana.

Federal guards on the perimeter of New Orleans turned away the finest small boatsmen in the world, The Cajun Navy. These are Louisuana Cajuns and others who swarmed East on I-10, with their boats in tow, to assist in New Orleans ,"black water" rescues. This as they always have after devastating storm related flooding. The Feds told The Cajun Navy to leave the boats though, as they had their own people coming in to operate them (from the East Coast and California. You ever had a Water Moccasin try to crawl into your John boat? It only happens in the South!) The Feds later cited a lack of security clearances for the Cajuns, as a reason.

FEMA showed up at the Jefferson Parish (immediately adjacent to Orleans Parish) Emergency Operations Center (JPEOC) and without asking anyone for permission, cut the EOC's leads to their own standing antenna farm and connected them to FEMA's radio trailers. FEMA then told the JPEOC "they no longer needed radios, as FEMA is now here". Armed Jefferson Parish Deputies soon convinced FEMA otherwise.

Also, when the JPEOC (staged at a Hospital) sent a fuel tanker to pick up bought and paid for diesel fuel at a tank farm for the Hospital and Parish emergency electrical generators, the fuel truck was turned away by armed Federal Protective Service Guards (FPS). The Parish was told to submit a written request for fuel to FEMA, and FEMA would then release to the Parish whatever Diesel fuel to the Parish that FEMA deemed necessary. 3 squad cars of JP Deputies armed with their own M-16s, Shotguns and sidearms convinced the FPS Guards otherwise. The JPEOC got its previously (before the storm) contracted Diesel Fuel delivery.

(All of this was documented in The Times-Picayune New Orleans City newspaper, at the time and in the months following the storm. Also I myself was in Jefferson Parish before and after the worst of H. Katrina).

FEMA has learned, and has gotten much better about assisting State Governments in disaster events, and not trying to take control as if a storm ravaged city were the site of a terrorist attack. I hope that FEMA will continue to prudently provide assistance to the States that will be devastated by this H. Katrina strength storm. H. Florence's main destructive force won't be the wind damage, it will come from storm tidal surge and prolonged rain related flooding, as it was with Katrina.

Also, the White House may have to invoke the Federal Posse Comitatus Act, to allow the U.S. Military to actively participate in storm recovery efforts.

After H. Katrina, the U.S. Air Forces Para-rescue Pathfinder Teams played a vital and almost unknown role in reaching (parachuting in at the start) and reopening the runways and control towers at the Louis Armstrong International Airport (in Jefferson Parish), to be used as multi-agency rescue staging and evacuation ops area for both helicopter and fixed wing aircraft and a Military Field Hospital. This Federal Military resoponse saved many, many lives. (This was also documented in the Times-Picayune newspaper.)

The U.S. Military has a vital role, not involving M-16s, providing disaster relief assistance and support after a coastal domestic catastrophe. They have GREAT toys like fleets of Helicopters, and Field Hospitals, and Amphibious Landing Ships with helicopters, and Hospital Ships and the people trained to use all of this, and much, much more to contribute to the rescue effort. MRE anyone?

Let's all hope that the lessons learned from H. Katrina, H. Harvey and Puerto Rico are remembered and heeded as a Federal and State response goes forward. FEMA pre-staging supplies and 100 trailers at Fort Bragg is a good sign of things to come, as is the Army staging 300 helicopters and fuel and water.

We can all only hope for the best. God Bless all in harm's way this week!

this is a fascinating post TY!

Would you know how to find out what the actual numbers -event wide - are now mobilzed and located?

i would think it would be public but I have no idea how to find
 
  • #277
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Spaghetti from BoatsUS.
 
  • #278
  • #279
Jax49 said:
You're not the only one...I woke up to WHAT???

Where is it going????

TY I am still there --Fema kinda spun up my brain ! It is just weird to have all this confusion so close to landfall

others have done it but IIRC there was like advance notice that there was confusion

Florence was acting normally stuff moved together but to wake up this

( at first I thought i was looking at some modeling from days ago! Then I had to check the date on the computer and then it was like this IS earlier today )
I just now advised my young-adult son to major in meteorology. :)
 
  • #280
this is a fascinating post TY!

Would you know how to find out what the actual numbers -event wide - are now mobilzed and located?

i would think it would be public but I have no idea how to find
I'm very interested in the Cajun Navy! I never know what I'm going to learn from fellow WSers.
 

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