IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #28

[threecrazykids]

Hi guys, I mostly lurk and read.
This comment got my attention for a few reasons.
@threecrazykids, do you really want to be chipped? I do not.
IIRC some one.... DM had an ankle bracelet with GPS attached.
Um, what happened to that? Just saying. :twocents:

Somewhere down the road, it won't surprise me at all if there is an option for parents to chip their kids...given all the sickos in this world, and missing/abducted children. I mean just look at all the missing or murdered people here on WS's alone.

I don't necessarily WANT to be chipped, but then again, I have nothing to hide. Criminals and pedo's certainly aren't going to want it. Nor are people who cheat on their spouses, etc. I can think of lots of reasons people don't want to be chipped. Me? I could care less.

If it meant keeping criminals in check and also being able to locate my child as soon as they were abducted you bet your ass I would. JMO

Down the road when they are 18 they are more than welcome to have it removed.

 

[joerose]

Your quote has brought up some thought's and questions: Do most drug dealers stick with only one type of drug to deal like a "niche"? Meth dealer only meth, prescription drug dealer, only pain pills & such? I'm just wondering if we are focusing strictly on the meth and missing a possible connection to "others" in the community. Could perp/perps be another "type" of dealer with an interest in young girls?

I had neighbors who were dealing meth, but they also dealt heroin, mushrooms, LSD, pot, hash:rocker: and cocaine. I was told that by a police officer, so I think they deal whatever they can sell. I have heard oxcontin is a big seller these days. I would guess it was more than meth.

 

[joerose]

Great...now you have me questioning my 10% belief of them not making it to the lake.:floorlaugh:

For cryin' out loud...:banghead:

race 93, That is a really good point. If the dogs didn't track the girls to the lake, then why wasn't that done? Why would they just have the dogs at the lake and the dogs were not able to backtrack where the girls had been. I know they said the dogs headed off to the wooded area and then just stopped, but I don't recall them ever saying anything else. ...You have just changed my mind. I do not think they road their bikes to the lake, or the dogs would have picked that up. A lot of people don't rely on the dogs as strong evidence, but I sure do.

 

[Tennlyn]

Somewhere down the road, it won't surprise me at all if there is an option for parents to chip their kids...given all the sickos in this world, and missing/abducted children. I mean just look at all the missing or murdered people here on WS's alone.

I don't necessarily WANT to be chipped, but then again, I have nothing to hide. Criminals and pedo's certainly aren't going to want it. Nor are people who cheat on their spouses, etc. I can think of lots of reasons people don't want to be chipped. Me? I could care less.

If it meant keeping criminals in check and also being able to locate my child as soon as they were abducted you bet your ass I would. JMO

Down the road when they are 18 they are more than welcome to have it removed.

So...hackers break in and steal all sorts of data now. What happens when they steal your kid's GPS tracking info? :waitasec:

 

[otto]

sigh. You tell me Otto? We all know there are issues with the timeline. I didn't create it. I don't have the answers I am afraid. Just lots and lots of questions.

ETA I was simply responding to Cindersoot and her assertion that if the girls were never at the lake then TG was wrong. But TG never witnessed the girls, just their bikes.

I wish we had a better, more concrete, makes sense timeline. But we just don't.

I doubt that the cyclist saw the girl's bikes. If we eliminate the one tip that has not been confirmed by police and which does not make sense with the police timeline, then we are eliminating the tip from the cyclist. He may well have seen two bikes at the lake around the time that the girls were abducted, but if we look at the police timeline, then he couldn't have seen the girl's bikes.

Remove the media report about a cyclist seeing two bikes, only look at the police timeline, and the timeline makes perfect sense.

 

[otto]

race 93, That is a really good point. If the dogs didn't track the girls to the lake, then why wasn't that done? Why would they just have the dogs at the lake and the dogs were not able to backtrack where the girls had been. I know they said the dogs headed off to the wooded area and then just stopped, but I don't recall them ever saying anything else. ...You have just changed my mind. I do not think they road their bikes to the lake, or the dogs would have picked that up. A lot of people don't rely on the dogs as strong evidence, but I sure do.

Officially, per the FBI, the dogs tracked from the bikes to the lake ... which was about 10 feet from the bikes.

 

[alliemay]

Not going to post to much about the chipping issue but I did have one thought about it. Not so sure it would be great for kids but I do think having sex offenders wear some sort of device is a good idea. When people are on house arrest they wear a device that alerts LE when that person leaves their home. Why can't they take the same concept and make something that would be able to track offenders.

 

[otto]

Police Timeline ... seems to be ...

12:15 = Brovan (video, fact)
12:30 = Brovan (information)
12:30 - 1:00 = Elmer/Gilbert/Arbutus (information, possible Carpenter/Lake Avenue sighting)
2:00 = bikes at gate (jogger, fact)
3:40 = bikes at gate (volunteer firefighter, fact)
3:58 = bikes at gate (police, fact)

 

[joerose]

Officially, per the FBI, the dogs tracked from the bikes to the lake ... which was about 10 feet from the bikes.

I should have worded my post better. I realize the dogs tracked the girls scent from their bikes to the lake and then from there to the woods.
What I am wondering is why was there no scent leading to the bikes from down the path, if the girls actually rode their bikes there. If there wasn't a scent leading to the bikes from somewhere besides the lake, then it is as if they just "appeared" at the lake and that isn't possible. They would have to have ridden their bikes there or the bikes were transferred from another location via a vehicle of some type. The second scenario is the only way in my mind that there would be no scent leading to the bikes and indicating what direction the girls rode their bikes from to get to the lake in the first place.

 

[RNER]

I doubt that the cyclist saw the girl's bikes. If we eliminate the one tip that has not been confirmed by police and which does not make sense with the police timeline, then we are eliminating the tip from the cyclist. He may well have seen two bikes at the lake around the time that the girls were abducted, but if we look at the police timeline, then he couldn't have seen the girl's bikes.

Remove the media report about a cyclist seeing two bikes, only look at the police timeline, and the timeline makes perfect sense.

I agree that TG saw 2 bikes, just not THE GIRL'S BIKES, which were later found in another location on the bike path. I could be wrong, but I have never seen it reported to media or stated on here that he saw THE GIRL'S BIKES...just "the bikes".

 

[BunnyHop]

I think BunnyHop is referring to when nobody could locate DM to inform him of finding the girls' bodies.

Thank you. Why couldn't they locate him if he had gps?

 

[threecrazykids]

So...hackers break in and steal all sorts of data now. What happens when they steal your kid's GPS tracking info? :waitasec:

I'm not saying it's fool proof, I'm saying it's a great way to track particular people's whereabouts. If hackers want to get info they are going to get it...it's the beauty of cyberspace today.

I think the good would definitely outweigh the bad. People are abducted and murdered every day, but if GPS could locate people within minutes and these evil people KNOW they are going to get caught I think it would definitely decrease the # of crimes. It's not going to deter every single crime obviously, but when people know 100% they aren't going to be able to get out of where they were and when, I'd bet it would make them at least think twice about it. JMO of course.

 

[daisynae]

well here is something....
dans' sister is on Cedar valley Mugshots
at the bottom of er mugshot it says anyone with information on her whereabouts please
contact LE

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

this shows us who her family is
https://www.facebook.com/angie.reiter2?ref=ts&fref=ts


Angie Reiters' father stapped her........


http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/upd...9bb2963f4.html


also Angie's daughter or neice is in jail as well...
Nichole Reiter

Page # 10
http://www.bhcso.org/WhosInJail.aspx


I hope someone knows something and starts talking about this case.
the whole thing is just so sad what drugs can do to people....

 

[threecrazykids]

I should have worded my post better. I realize the dogs tracked the girls scent from their bikes to the lake and then from there to the woods.
What I am wondering is why was there no scent leading to the bikes from down the path, if the girls actually rode their bikes there. If there wasn't a scent leading to the bikes from somewhere besides the lake, then it is as if they just "appeared" at the lake and that isn't possible. They would have to have ridden their bikes there or the bikes were transferred from another location via a vehicle of some type. The second scenario is the only way in my mind that there would be no scent leading to the bikes and indicating what direction the girls rode their bikes from to get to the lake in the first place.

I don't know that the handlers or LE ever had the dogs try to prove the bikes were ridden down the path to the lake (from what I've read). The dogs will track scent oldest to newest, so when they started the dogs AT the bikes, they were trying to see if the dogs could lead them from the bikes to where the girls went AFTER they left their bikes. The dogs apparently went to the water's edge, and from familial reports, they then went into the wooded area.

The point of the dogs (from my understanding) was not to see which way the bikes arrived at the lake (which WOULD have been a great thing to do, at least to verify sightings around the lake) but to see if there was a scent trail from the bikes to whatever way out of the park the girls were taken.

ETA: This is again an issue where I don't feel the scene was preserved and investigated with the utmost care. I myself would think the police would take those dogs down all the paths to see which way the bikes came in. OR, maybe they did and we just don't know it.

 

[NWLady]

I agree that TG saw 2 bikes, just not THE GIRL'S BIKES, which were later found in another location on the bike path. I could be wrong, but I have never seen it reported to media or stated on here that he saw THE GIRL'S BIKES...just "the bikes".

I just had a thought occur to me...is it possible that the 2 bikes that TG saw at the lake were someones bikes that had something to do with the girls missing? (As I'm still not convinced those bikes on the video were the girls, it appears to me that it's possibly one adult and one child, as one figure appears to be adult size and one looks as if they don't have a shirt on)

 

[daisynae]

I just had a thought occur to me...is it possible that the 2 bikes that TG saw at the lake were someones bikes that had something to do with the girls missing? (As I'm still not convinced those bikes on the video were the girls, it appears to me that it's possibly one adult and one child, as one figure appears to be adult size and one looks as if they don't have a shirt on)

Hi I thought the same as you I am not sure about the child on the bike but
It looks like an older person on the one bike with a back pack or something..
I agree it does not look like the girls to me...
I am sure the LE looked at that video with thier equitment..
You would think they would be able to tell more..
unless they want the killer to think that they think it is the girls.
They are so tight lipped you do not know what they are thinking.

 

[threecrazykids]

I just had a thought occur to me...is it possible that the 2 bikes that TG saw at the lake were someones bikes that had something to do with the girls missing? (As I'm still not convinced those bikes on the video were the girls, it appears to me that it's possibly one adult and one child, as one figure appears to be adult size and one looks as if they don't have a shirt on)

We've discussed this before I believe, somewhere on these threads. :waitasec: I always felt that IF those bikes that Mr. Gamerdinger stated he saw were NOT the girls bikes we would know by now there was a misunderstanding.

I remember questioning this before. I asked, if they were NOT the girls bikes, then WHOSE WERE THEY? If they weren't being ridden by the girls, then where where they when the cyclist came by? The cyclist had stated he didn't see anyone when he swerved to miss the bikes.

I just can't believe there aren't more people in town that can clarify these "misunderstandings". If they weren't the girls bikes, with all the hoopla, SOMEONE would know that the bikes that the cyclist swerved around weren't the girls. But I find it even more questionable then, that 2 bikes, (unmanned) were there at that time...still there at 2...and found at 4ish and were NOT the girls bikes.

 

[alliemay]

I don't know that the handlers or LE ever had the dogs try to prove the bikes were ridden down the path to the lake (from what I've read). The dogs will track scent oldest to newest, so when they started the dogs AT the bikes, they were trying to see if the dogs could lead them from the bikes to where the girls went AFTER they left their bikes. The dogs apparently went to the water's edge, and from familial reports, they then went into the wooded area.

The point of the dogs (from my understanding) was not to see which way the bikes arrived at the lake (which WOULD have been a great thing to do, at least to verify sightings around the lake) but to see if there was a scent trail from the bikes to whatever way out of the park the girls were taken.

ETA: This is again an issue where I don't feel the scene was preserved and investigated with the utmost care. I myself would think the police would take those dogs down all the paths to see which way the bikes came in. OR, maybe they did and we just don't know it.

That's a really good point, to bad we don't know where else they took the dogs. How soon did they know about the siting on Gilbert? Was it around the time they were using the dogs, it would have been great if they had taken the dogs on walk around the whole area, not just the path, lake and woods.

 

[otto]

I should have worded my post better. I realize the dogs tracked the girls scent from their bikes to the lake and then from there to the woods.
What I am wondering is why was there no scent leading to the bikes from down the path, if the girls actually rode their bikes there. If there wasn't a scent leading to the bikes from somewhere besides the lake, then it is as if they just "appeared" at the lake and that isn't possible. They would have to have ridden their bikes there or the bikes were transferred from another location via a vehicle of some type. The second scenario is the only way in my mind that there would be no scent leading to the bikes and indicating what direction the girls rode their bikes from to get to the lake in the first place.

I think it was Tammy, or some other bystander, that told a tv talking head (like NG) that she saw the dogs walk with their handlers to the trees and assumed that the dogs were tracking to the woods, but officially, they tracked 10 feet to the water.

One of the dog tracking experts on this forum said that dogs track from oldest to newest, so the last known place was the bikes and the dogs were asked to track from that point to the newest location - where the girls went after parking their bikes. They went to the water 10 feet away and stopped.

 

[alliemay]

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Three-Dogs-shot-in-past-two-weeks-in-Benton-County-191913471.html
O/T - there is a thread on WS for this.