IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

[cindersoot]

Otto, those are such beautiful pictures. There is nothing more beautiful than nature herself.

 

[IBsleuthin]

Destroying wildlife habitat to memorialize where two little girls were slain and dropped like garbage is a STUPID idea.

 

[otto]

Having said that (the above about wetlands), I think that we have to recognize that what is done is done. Evansdale will most likely implement new policy to prevent something like this from happening again. That is, future projects with have approved plans before the shovel hits the dirt. I hope that we can focus on how to support both the efforts to restore this wetland area and the goals of the memorial.

 

[otto]

I read the opinion and I feel he said it right. When I was there last Sunday, I noticed geese kinda swimming to and fro like they were lost. A lot of geese will come back to the same spot every year to raise their young. Why they didn't just put a nice granite bench there in their memory is beyond me. All that money could have gone to a good investigator team. The community should of been able to have a say and perhaps a vote. I didn't think this way at first until I saw the destruction myself, yes it will look nice when it is done, but it really is sad to remove all the wildlife that called the island home for so long. I hate bulldozers and their destruction. The Collins are getting a nasty reputation, a reputation for making a profit off their daughters death. Some gift shops in the area are selling merchandise from the murder. I find that sick and disturbing. Maiden lane in my opinion is where the trees should of been thinned out or even removed so it wasn't such a secluded place. As I said before it is littered with trash and here it sits, a place the girls were maybe lead to.

I seem to recall that Maiden Lane is private property. Maybe some of the funds can be used to put a locked gate on the entrance to the lane, just past the sewer pump station.

 

[cindersoot]

I seem to recall that Maiden Lane is private property. Maybe some of the funds can be used to put a locked gate on the entrance to the lane, just past the sewer pump station.

I really don't know if Maiden Ln. is private property. Nobody came out and yelled at me for walking around in there ; )

 

[cindersoot]

I have always thought that the girls were lead to maiden lane and then to a vehicle. The one reason I wanted to check the area again was to see where a vehicle could park hidden from view. Behind the pump house there is plenty of room for a vehicle and during the summer it would be very hidden. I think he walked the girls to his vehicle which was parked behind the pump house. I'm positive noone would of noticed.

 

[otto]

I really don't know if Maiden Ln. is private property. Nobody came out and yelled at me for walking around in there ; )

I'm pretty sure that it's private land and can take some time later to locate the planning maps.

It's easy to see the road in the attached link. In the summer, when the leaves are full, it would be easy for a vehicle to be on the lane and unseen.

http://www.bing.com/maps/#JndoZXJlM...1LjU0MzM2NDE5MTUzNzUlN2UtMTUyLjIwNDUyODgwOA==

 

[alliemay]

Thank you so much!!! Pretty much as I'd pictured it from the pics and maps posted previously. So glad you included a shot of the tree we had used to match up the pics of the park with the pics from the crimescene. :moo:

One odd thought and it's probably stupid, but Drew has a tree cutting business. Is there any chance that someone could have worked for Drew and for the Tree Farm there next to Seven Bridges Park? Or even that Drew would know the people working there?

Or someone that worked for him that had a grudge against him....I think I read that the children came often to his place of business.

 

[cindersoot]

This picture is for my favorite mod, nurse and her love for hummingbirds.

 

[foxbluff]

I seem to recall that Maiden Lane is private property. Maybe some of the funds can be used to put a locked gate on the entrance to the lane, just past the sewer pump station.

Good point. I, too, have considered that the Maiden Lane area under discussion might be private property or a portion thereof might be private.

When there are no onsite physical delineations in overgrown property, it can be difficult to tell exactly where a Survey Line would fall between adjoining private and public property. imo

The good news though, imo, to have gotten permission to clean up subj property, project planners would probably only have had to get permission from the city and perhaps one private property owner.

Then put up a light and a security camera there on public property, perhaps at that "blind spot," and you've got a memorial...

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

threecrazykids, THANK YOU!

The videos bring us to the site in a really personal way. You did so well!
VERY moving and touched me so deeply.

 

[foxbluff]

I have always thought that the girls were lead to maiden lane and then to a vehicle. The one reason I wanted to check the area again was to see where a vehicle could park hidden from view. Behind the pump house there is plenty of room for a vehicle and during the summer it would be very hidden. I think he walked the girls to his vehicle which was parked behind the pump house. I'm positive noone would of noticed.

I like the way you're thinking, and I agree w/most of what you're saying.

bbm - however, I still hold to my belief that the perp parked his vehicle (which contained the bikes) in the area of the lake and walked the bikes down to where they were later discovered.

As you can see, you're not the only stubborn poster here. (-;

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I read the opinion and I feel he said it right. When I was there last Sunday, I noticed geese kinda swimming to and fro like they were lost. A lot of geese will come back to the same spot every year to raise their young. Why they didn't just put a nice granite bench there in their memory is beyond me. All that money could have gone to a good investigator team. The community should of been able to have a say and perhaps a vote. I didn't think this way at first until I saw the destruction myself, yes it will look nice when it is done, but it really is sad to remove all the wildlife that called the island home for so long. I hate bulldozers and their destruction. The Collins are getting a nasty reputation, a reputation for making a profit off their daughters death. Some gift shops in the area are selling merchandise from the murder. I find that sick and disturbing. Maiden lane in my opinion is where the trees should of been thinned out or even removed so it wasn't such a secluded place. As I said before it is littered with trash and here it sits, a place the girls were maybe lead to.

What sort of merchandise? Anyway, I think selling anything related to the murder in a gift shop is odd. Personally, I think there should be limits on the objects that a missing child's face is put on.

 

[cindersoot]

What sort of merchandise? Anyway, I think selling anything related to the murder in a gift shop is odd. Personally, I think there should be limits on the objects that a missing child's face is put on.

I heard there are jeans, shirts, mugs, you know the basic souvenir stuff. In the very very beginning I bought a simple rubber bracelet that said, "prayers for elizabeth and Lyric". But I bought that to show my support.

 

[Bootsctr]

ThreeCrazyKids and Cindersoot, thank you so much for the videos and pictures. You both are soooo amazing and soooo brave. Thank your hubbies too! They were really good sports. The videos just put us there.... close and personal. It's so different from the news photos. It was sooooo quiet. You have a great narrative voice 3CK! Thank you so much for doing this you two super sleuthers! (((((((BIG HUGS))))) to both of you! You two rock our WebSleuths world!

 

[foxbluff]

Yes, you could. However, the way the road runs adjacent to the park, in reality you could walk to the body site from any point on the road (once you actually get to the park entrance...if that makes sense).

In reality, from the dead end (where the private gate is) would be a similar distance as walking from the turnabout...you're just entering a different way.

bbm- not only does your answer make sense, but you were able to figure out what I was trying to ask. Ty.

Now... jumping off your post...

Did you or Cinder (or any others who have made an onsite visit) get any "feelings or impressions" of how perp accessed body site? For example, did you feel strongly that he must have arrived at body site the same way you did, using the same hwy to park entrance and same road w/in park and same pathway?

Or that he arrived at the turnaround by the same route you took but then, instead of taking the path, accessed the body site by walking around the strip of shoreland between mainland and low water mark?

Or did it cross your mind that he might have entered the body site from a small boat?

Or entered thru a property on the complete opposite side of a waterway from where the bodies were found (perhaps wading across waterway or walking across a sandbar)... and by "opposite side," I mean via a property which a vehicle would have had to access from a different hwy than the one you took leading to 7bridges. ???

ETA: questions coming from "the poster" w/dial-up who can't stream videos... grrrh...

 

[Marilynilpa]

If 7 Bridges was just a dump site for the girls' bodies, I wonder why the remains weren't found side by side. Does placing them in separate locations say anything about the perp? Perhaps he carried one girl and then tired out by time he carried the second girl? Or was he trying to send some kind of message to someone?

This is assuming the two white sheets correlate to where the bodies were found.

It's my opinion 7 Bridges wasn't a dump site. I feel the girls were killed there, probably within a couple of hours of when they were taken. JMO.

I know this has been discussed before but, in light of the fact there isn't much else to talk about, maybe we could revisit this.

 

[Bootsctr]

I read the opinion and I feel he said it right. When I was there last Sunday, I noticed geese kinda swimming to and fro like they were lost. A lot of geese will come back to the same spot every year to raise their young. Why they didn't just put a nice granite bench there in their memory is beyond me. All that money could have gone to a good investigator team. The community should of been able to have a say and perhaps a vote. I didn't think this way at first until I saw the destruction myself, yes it will look nice when it is done, but it really is sad to remove all the wildlife that called the island home for so long. I hate bulldozers and their destruction. The Collins are getting a nasty reputation, a reputation for making a profit off their daughters death. Some gift shops in the area are selling merchandise from the murder. I find that sick and disturbing. Maiden lane in my opinion is where the trees should of been thinned out or even removed so it wasn't such a secluded place. As I said before it is littered with trash and here it sits, a place the girls were maybe lead to.

I have no problem with the Collins having a second service for Elizabeth. Having her actual remains to physically bury will surely help their healing process. I do have a problem when people profit from a child's death. . . My problem would be if they are going to be passing around collection plates at this service for this "island project."

 

[Marilynilpa]

bbm- not only does your answer make sense, but you were able to figure out what I was trying to ask. Ty.

Now... jumping off your post...

Did you or Cinder (or any others who have made an onsite visit) get any "feelings or impressions" of how perp accessed body site? For example, did you feel strongly that he must have arrived at body site the same way you did, using the same hwy to park entrance and same road w/in park and same pathway?

Or that he arrived at the turnaround by the same route you took but then, instead of taking the path, accessed the body site by walking around the strip of shoreland between mainland and low water mark?

Or did it cross your mind that he might have entered the body site from a small boat?

Or entered thru a property on the complete opposite side of a waterway from where the bodies were found (perhaps wading across waterway or walking across a sandbar)... and by "opposite side," I mean via a property which a vehicle would have had to access from a different hwy than the one you took leading to 7bridges. ???

ETA: questions coming from "the poster" w/dial-up who can't stream videos... grrrh...

You have some of the same questions I do. After seeing the wonderful videos, as well as great photos and maps, I seem to have more questions than ever.

 

[Bootsctr]

I seem to recall that Maiden Lane is private property. Maybe some of the funds can be used to put a locked gate on the entrance to the lane, just past the sewer pump station.

and a Security Camera. . .