IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #30

[threecrazykids]

Well, sometimes girls that age get very attached to their personal possessions, especially if having a purse and a phone (even if it wasn't good for phone calls) signified being grown up to her.

But on the whole I agree with you that it doesn't feel right and it's one of the many things that make me lean toward staging.

That's how I feel too...it's one of those little things that I wish they would elaborate on (unless they felt it would harm the investigation).

Even a statement such as:

"Elizabeth would not leave that purse behind unless she was unable to get back to it, or was instructed to leave it...she carried very important things (to her) in there. She was very protective of it's contents and we feel there is relevance in the fact it was left behind."

OR

"We don't read too much into the purse being left behind - that purse held nothing of real value, it was more for fun than anything. The fact it was left behind probably means she was simply distracted and forgot she even had it there...it's been known to be laid down and forgotten before."

Not that it really gives any clues, or leads in any specific direction as to who did it...but we could maybe get a feel from the family as to how THEY view the purse being left at the scene.

 

[roseofsharon]

I don't know if I could forgive such an atrocity either. I don't believe I know anyone personally with such strong religious conviction as Heather seems to portray. There was that letter to the abductor and now murderer too that was written by Misty that seemed strange to me too, but I always believed that a criminal profiler had told her/them what to write in that letter.

OT: Bunnyhop, Foxbluff, eileenhawkeye, greg, janie, carbuff, ShyViolet, Rose ofSharon, joerose, Reverie, Fukiyama!..... I keep forgetting everyone.... :seeya: I love all of your posts!

Right back at cha Boots!!! I love yours too!! TY :seeya:

 

[threecrazykids]

So, if I am understanding what you have highlighted, LE has questioned people regarding this crime and one or even more than one of these people may be whom they are watching, but they don't have enough evidence on the person.

The public aren't aware of whom LE has questioned.

Just imo, but I think this type of information would be leaked and in my previous post, I pray if LE has someone in mind, they are watching every move they make, however, I doubt they would have the manpower for that.

No, I am not aware of whom has been questioned, however, I have lived in a city the size of Evansdale in the past and not too much gets past the locals!

Just IMO

Well, we know from MSM that all members of the family were questioned extensively in the first days of them being missing. Misty and Dan both were on MSM describing the hours of grueling questions by LE. Heather and Drew both have stated they were questioned extensively for any connections, and had taken (and passed according to them) lie detector tests. Wylma and Tammy both said they'd spoke with LE as well.

I'm not sure if you're talking about "questioning" as in "we think you are connected with this" or if you're talking about being questioned in general.

LE is going to start at home and work their way out...at least that's how it's typically done...so yes, all of the immediate family members have stated they were questioned extensively - but LE has not named anyone a person of interest or a suspect, family or otherwise.

 

[roseofsharon]

Well, we know from MSM that all members of the family were questioned extensively in the first days of them being missing. Misty and Dan both were on MSM describing the hours of grueling questions by LE. Heather and Drew both have stated they were questioned extensively for any connections, and had taken (and passed according to them) lie detector tests. Wylma and Tammy both said they'd spoke with LE as well.

I'm not sure if you're talking about "questioning" as in "we think you are connected with this" or if you're talking about being questioned in general.

LE is going to start at home and work their way out...at least that's how it's typically done...so yes, all of the immediate family members have stated they were questioned extensively - but LE has not named anyone a person of interest or a suspect, family or otherwise.

Respectfully, no, no, threecrazykids, I was responding to Saphhire's post in response to my post.

Synopsis: (Paraphrasing) SS feels that LE may not have enough evidence on a person.

To that, I responded, I would think they would at least question this person.

To that, SS said (paraprhasing) maybe they have questioned this person and how would we know because LE isn't going to announce whom they have questioned. Good point!

To that, I am saying I hope and pray they keep a close watch on this person and also that if any person or persons have been questioned in the community of Evansdale, I doubt it would get past any of the locals.

IMO, in a smaller city, information gets leaked, but this is just IMO.

I hope I am making sense. I know when I write sometimes, I'm thinking too far ahead of myself and miss some information. :seeya:

 

[Fukiyama]

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. What would you like to say to anyone who may have taken your precious daughter and your precious niece?

COLLINS: Just what I`ve always said is, you know what? I do not pass judgment on anybody. that is for God to do. I forgive you. God has forgiven you, so I will forgive you. We just want our children brought back.

I don`t want to know who you are. I don`t care who you are. I just want them dropped off at the police station or at my house and just be seen running to my house. That`s all I want. I don`t -- I don`t care who you are. I don`t want to know who you are. It`s not -- it`s not for me to -- to judge you or for whatever reason you have decided to do this.

Obviously, you know, you have a lot of evil in you. And, you know, God will work on your heart. We are praying that God will work on your heart and just continuously put it in your brain that -- to bring the children home safely. You know, so much that it is just hurting you and you can`t deal with it anymore until you bring the girls back home safe.

@http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ijvm.01.html

I haven't got all her speeches though, a heck of a lot were not transcribed. But the general idea is the same, no focus on vengeance at all that I can tell :twocents:

Thank you for finding that. That sums up pretty well what I was looking for.

I agree with you, Marilynilpa.
From my experience, Christians are encouraged to refer vengeance to God. The Lord is their vindicator, thus they divest themselves away from the issue and trust him to the details. Of course, they are also encouraged to be humble, but I do not see much humility applied to the grandiose monstrosity.
:moo:

In the Catholic Church at least, the thought is that sinners will be punished should they not repent before the end of their earthly lives. One prays that sinners will do so, but no presumptions are made when it comes to God's final judgment one way or the other should repenting not happen. Blanket statements like Heather's "God has forgiven you, so I will forgive you" just don't work.

These differences in theology interest me and especially in this case with Heather and Drew and their differing reactions.

 

[threecrazykids]

Respectfully, no, no, threecrazykids, I was responding to Saphhire's post in response to my post.

Synopsis: (Paraphrasing) SS feels that LE may not have enough evidence on a person.

To that, I responded, I would think they would at least question this person.

To that, SS said (paraprhasing) maybe they have questioned this person and how would we know because LE isn't going to announce whom they have questioned. Good point!

To that, I am saying I hope and pray they keep a close watch on this person and also that if any person or persons have been questioned in the community of Evansdale, I doubt it would get past any of the locals.

IMO, in a smaller city, information gets leaked, but this is just IMO.

I hope I am making sense. I know when I write sometimes, I'm thinking too far ahead of myself and miss some information. :seeya:

Thank you for the clarification...I kind of assumed that's what you meant, but wasn't sure if you were referring to anyone in general, or someone specific. :blushing:

To my bolded above...I couldn't agree with you more. I have a very hard time believing that if LE had questioned ANYONE regarding the abduction, that the locals would not be very well aware of it.
Now, that's not to say that someone doesn't know...but with all the FB chatter, comments under articles, etc I am confident that people would be mentioning knowing of people who were questioned (whether they say their name or not).
There has been NONE of that that I am aware of, and I follow it closely on FB and MSM.

Very contrary to the statements by LE that "this person walks and lives among you". Wonder what makes them think that, yet no evidence of questioning anyone in regards to this outside of the family (that we know of).

The comment of "this person walks and lives among you" can be taken many ways. :what:

 

[iamnotagolem]

First off, what a surprise to come back to this thread after a couple of weeks to find so much discussion. I believe in all of the cases I've followed this one has stayed active the longest for such a cold case. Good work all!

Second, I know we can't compare cases but I am doing it anyways. I really wish LE would do what they did in Jessica's case and focus on clearing the family. LE cleared Jessica's parents within the first couple of days and made it quite clear that they were not involved. It would be nice if they could clear family here. It is so hard to look at anyone else when statistically speaking, family is the most likely perp.

This case has always had an interesting dynamic since it was cousins that went missing. The primary focus of suspicion has always seemed to land on Dan and Misty, mostly Dan, yet he seems to have had the least parental role in raising Lyric. Wilma, Drew, Heather and even Misty were Lyric's caretakers.

I'll admit I always thought SapphireSteel was a bit crazy when she said "follow the money" but now that the fundraising is still going on and a ginormous memorial is being erected at undoubtedly extreme costs, I'm beginning to think she is onto something. But I do not think Dan or Misty was involved, so I think we differ there.

I lost track of my train of thought, the littles are being quite needy this morning.

 

[Marilynilpa]

First off, what a surprise to come back to this thread after a couple of weeks to find so much discussion. I believe in all of the cases I've followed this one has stayed active the longest for such a cold case. Good work all!

Second, I know we can't compare cases but I am doing it anyways. I really wish LE would do what they did in Jessica's case and focus on clearing the family. LE cleared Jessica's parents within the first couple of days and made it quite clear that they were not involved. It would be nice if they could clear family here. It is so hard to look at anyone else when statistically speaking, family is the most likely perp.

This case has always had an interesting dynamic since it was cousins that went missing. The primary focus of suspicion has always seemed to land on Dan and Misty, mostly Dan, yet he seems to have had the least parental role in raising Lyric. Wilma, Drew, Heather and even Misty were Lyric's caretakers.

I'll admit I always thought SapphireSteel was a bit crazy when she said "follow the money" but now that the fundraising is still going on and a ginormous memorial is being erected at undoubtedly extreme costs, I'm beginning to think she is onto something. But I do not think Dan or Misty was involved, so I think we differ there.

I lost track of my train of thought, the littles are being quite needy this morning.

Nice to see you back here!:seeya:

 

[iamnotagolem]

Nice to see you back here!:seeya:

Thanks! Moving across the country seems to be quite the time hog! But oh so well worth it.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Thank you for finding that. That sums up pretty well what I was looking for.


In the Catholic Church at least, the thought is that sinners will be punished should they not repent before the end of their earthly lives. One prays that sinners will do so, but no presumptions are made when it comes to God's final judgment one way or the other should repenting not happen. Blanket statements like Heather's "God has forgiven you, so I will forgive you" just don't work.

These differences in theology interest me and especially in this case with Heather and Drew and their differing reactions.

BBM

These differences intrigue me as well. Drew (and the children) are undergoing therapy, whereas Heather is not. She is relying on her faith (prayer, reading the Bible, etc.) to help her cope.

As I've mentioned before, I grew up in Texas smack-dab in the Bible Belt, and I know many good Christians who preach forgiveness and yet strongly support the state's death penalty.

In this particular case, I feel Heather is much more about forgiveness and Drew is focused more on punishment. JMO.

 

[threecrazykids]

First off, what a surprise to come back to this thread after a couple of weeks to find so much discussion. I believe in all of the cases I've followed this one has stayed active the longest for such a cold case. Good work all!

Second, I know we can't compare cases but I am doing it anyways. I really wish LE would do what they did in Jessica's case and focus on clearing the family. LE cleared Jessica's parents within the first couple of days and made it quite clear that they were not involved. It would be nice if they could clear family here. It is so hard to look at anyone else when statistically speaking, family is the most likely perp.

This case has always had an interesting dynamic since it was cousins that went missing. The primary focus of suspicion has always seemed to land on Dan and Misty, mostly Dan, yet he seems to have had the least parental role in raising Lyric. Wilma, Drew, Heather and even Misty were Lyric's caretakers.

I'll admit I always thought SapphireSteel was a bit crazy when she said "follow the money" but now that the fundraising is still going on and a ginormous memorial is being erected at undoubtedly extreme costs, I'm beginning to think she is onto something. But I do not think Dan or Misty was involved, so I think we differ there.

I lost track of my train of thought, the littles are being quite needy this morning.

Some people will tell you that LE has cleared the family. The statement of "we are not considering the parents as suspects at this time" is enough for some people.

What I find interesting, is that in all of the articles I've read (and I'm sure I've missed some) ANY statement by LE when commenting on the parents not being suspects have ALL been in reference to the media questioning the scrutiny and questioning going on with Dan and Misty.

I have yet to read an article where the question wasn't posed in regards to Dan and Misty and they then answered "we aren't considering the parents as supects".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...irl-Lyric-Cook-hospitalised-unresponsive.html
Mr Morrissey has come under intense scrutiny from police because of his ties to the local methamphetamine trade. But authorities have said he is not considered a suspect is the girls' disappearance.

http://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/lyric-cook-and-elizabeth-collins/

The Gazette also reported that investigators were closely scrutinizing Dan and Misty Morrissey and had subjected both of them to multiple polygraph tests. At the same time, investigators said Dan and Misty were not considered suspects in the girls’ disappearance, and were looking into their backgrounds and that of their associates only so as not to discount any possible leads.

Can someone help me find an article where the question is posed to LE in GENERAL and not remotely mentioning Dan or Misty where they mention "the parents" not being suspects?

I have yet to come across an article or even the past interviews with Abben/Smock where anyone specifically asks if ALL 4 parents were cleared as suspects, and have them reply with a blanket statement that is applicable to all parents. I've only found articles with the previous questions were gagued towards Dan (or Misty), then they ask "are the parents considered suspects" and they say "we do not consider the parents suspects at this time".

Just doing some digging so I can bookmark for my records where the police state something regarding all the parents and not referencing "the parents" of one girl or the other.

Thanks in advance.:seeya:

 

[Marilynilpa]

Some people will tell you that LE has cleared the family. The statement of "we are not considering the parents as suspects at this time" is enough for some people.

What I find interesting, is that in all of the articles I've read (and I'm sure I've missed some) ANY statement by LE when commenting on the parents not being suspects have ALL been in reference to the media questioning the scrutiny and questioning going on with Dan and Misty.

I have yet to read an article where the question wasn't posed in regards to Dan and Misty and they then answered "we aren't considering the parents as supects".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...irl-Lyric-Cook-hospitalised-unresponsive.html
Mr Morrissey has come under intense scrutiny from police because of his ties to the local methamphetamine trade. But authorities have said he is not considered a suspect is the girls' disappearance.

http://iowacoldcases.org/case-summaries/lyric-cook-and-elizabeth-collins/

The Gazette also reported that investigators were closely scrutinizing Dan and Misty Morrissey and had subjected both of them to multiple polygraph tests. At the same time, investigators said Dan and Misty were not considered suspects in the girls’ disappearance, and were looking into their backgrounds and that of their associates only so as not to discount any possible leads.

Can someone help me find an article where the question is posed to LE in GENERAL and not remotely mentioning Dan or Misty where they mention "the parents" not being suspects?

I have yet to come across an article or even the past interviews with Abben/Smock where anyone specifically asks if ALL 4 parents were cleared as suspects, and have them reply with a blanket statement that is applicable to all parents. I've only found articles with the previous questions were gagued towards Dan (or Misty), then they ask "are the parents considered suspects" and they say "we do not consider the parents suspects at this time".

Just doing some digging so I can bookmark for my records where the police state something regarding all the parents and not referencing "the parents" of one girl or the other.

Thanks in advance.:seeya:

I just did a quick search and cannot see anything specifically stating all four parents were not considered suspects. Everything seems to refer to Misty and/or Dan.

ETA: I wonder if Drew and Heather are considered to be above suspicion?

 

[cindersoot]

Thank you! Cupcake is precious! She looks like she is as into this investigation as much the rest of us Websleuthers. She (?) is definitely checking out the bag. I wonder what scents she is smelling. Probably can't wait to play in the bag ? Did you save the bag? I know you have said this perp is a hunter from pretty much the beginning. It is an interesting find and again thank you for sharing the pic with us! :rocker:


BTW - I love your rooster pillows! Roosters/chickens are a definite theme in my kitchen and they would like nice on my sofa as well (jk).

I can't get myself to throw that bag away. I don't know why. Yea, I have a country kitchen with roosters and antiques. I also have live chickens outside, lol.

 

[foxbluff]

O/T - Pipe Bomb/today/Cedar Falls!!! when will this madness end??? Be sure to read comment!!!

http://cedarfalls.patch.com/article...orhood-cordoned-off?ncid=newsltuspatc00000003

snipped:
Police said they discovered a pipe bomb in the area of the 2300 block of Royal Drive Tuesday.
The area has been cordoned off. Police said a day care center is on lock-down and nearby Peet Junior High School is on standby.
The Waterloo Police Department bomb squad as well as Cedar Falls and University of Northern Iowa police have been dispatched.
snipped

 

[threecrazykids]

I just did a quick search and cannot see anything specifically stating all four parents were not considered suspects. Everything seems to refer to Misty and/or Dan.

ETA: I wonder if Drew and Heather are considered to be above suspicion?

Thank you for looking.:seeya: If you, or anyone comes across an article that doesn't refer to Misty or Dan I'd love to have it so I can bookmark it.

I also found this article...but it still refers to Dan and Misty when they had obtained an attorney for a short time:

http://www.wxow.com/story/19069304/family-of-missing-girls-gets-attorney

On Thursday, Black Hawk County Chief Deputy Rick Abben said if the parents decided not to cooperate, it would be a "distraction" in the investigation. He says the parents are not suspects and their criminal background was known to authorities on the first day of the investigation.

Adding this:
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...g-girls-not-lake-case-classified-an-abduction

“We’re looking at everybody, not just one set of parents over the other. Not just because one family may have a criminal background. Everything has to be considered,” Abben said.

Abben declined to comment on whether someone who has associated with the family may be involved in the case but did say the family’s background is being looked into and “nothing is being discounted.”

 

[BunnyHop]

O/T - when will this madness end??? Be sure to read comment!!!

http://cedarfalls.patch.com/article...orhood-cordoned-off?ncid=newsltuspatc00000003

snipped:
Police said they discovered a pipe bomb in the area of the 2300 block of Royal Drive Tuesday.
The area has been cordoned off. Police said a day care center is on lock-down and nearby Peet Junior High School is on standby.
The Waterloo Police Department bomb squad as well as Cedar Falls and University of Northern Iowa police have been dispatched.
snipped

Thanks for posting. The world is going crazy. I don't like to travel any more and hate crowds. anic:

 

[Just Pat 22]

Hearts with you all tonight.
Boston is a fine town.

Yes the people of Boston are really a great bunch of helpful and honest folk's . I lived there and went to school there . I am crushed that someone would do this . They will find the people and send them to jail .I also ma praying for the poor injured folks and the one's that died . It is such a horrible thing to do to innocent people.Pat

 

[Fukiyama]

These differences intrigue me as well. Drew (and the children) are undergoing therapy, whereas Heather is not. She is relying on her faith (prayer, reading the Bible, etc.) to help her cope.

I really question this the most. Heather may be coping in her own way by going to church and reading the Bible, fine. Drew may have his own way, okay. But not going to counseling together with your own children...

 

[Bootsctr]

I'm not sure if this is allowed, but if you recall Jesse James Bowser, who is now listed as a RSO after raping a 12 year old girl in an Evansdale trailer court and claimed to be a cousin to Lyric, according to Facebook posts by his sister during his arrest, he was questioned about the girls.

Thank you! I now have the name to go with the initials. RSO or pedo within the family would be a good person to be questioned by the authorities.

 

[Bootsctr]

Thank you for looking.:seeya: If you, or anyone comes across an article that doesn't refer to Misty or Dan I'd love to have it so I can bookmark it.

I also found this article...but it still refers to Dan and Misty when they had obtained an attorney for a short time:

http://www.wxow.com/story/19069304/family-of-missing-girls-gets-attorney

On Thursday, Black Hawk County Chief Deputy Rick Abben said if the parents decided not to cooperate, it would be a "distraction" in the investigation. He says the parents are not suspects and their criminal background was known to authorities on the first day of the investigation.

Adding this:
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...g-girls-not-lake-case-classified-an-abduction

“We’re looking at everybody, not just one set of parents over the other. Not just because one family may have a criminal background. Everything has to be considered,” Abben said.

Abben declined to comment on whether someone who has associated with the family may be involved in the case but did say the family’s background is being looked into and “nothing is being discounted.”

Will do 3CK! But like you and Marilyn, everything I have read (that I recall) specifically pointed to Dan/Misty. As soon as it came out they had records, it seemed all media focused their way and still continues to focus on Dan :moo: