IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #32

[Marilynilpa]

Prolly one of the best articles I've ever read concerning predators/serial killers;


http://www.expertlaw.com/library/investigators/serial_killers.html#4

Serial Killers - A Homicide Detective's Take
By Lieutenant Nelson Andreu (Retired)
Miami Police Department

Contents

Credentials and Interest
Common Knowledge
Genesis of a Serial Killer
Victim Selection
Victim Objectification
Denouement
Case Histories

Thanks for the link, I don't believe I've read this before.

 

[Marilynilpa]

This article provides a lot of info about D and Kathlynn's case:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130613/NEWS/306130101/?odyssey=nav|head

snip

They are looking closely at whether Klunder could be connected to the abduction and murder of two eastern Iowa cousins, Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10, who disappeared July 13, 2012, while riding bikes in Evansdale. Their bodies were found by hunters Dec. 5 in a Bremer County wildlife area about 20 miles north of where they went missing.

“If it does come out that way, I’d like to see it,” Stubbs said. “Otherwise, we still have someone who’s capable of this on the loose, in the public.”

 

[SpringThyme]

Leonard Lake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Leonard Lake, a serial killer and sadistic psychopath, committed suicide with cyanide when he was arrested for an unrelated offense because he thought he would be caught for the murders. I think sometimes they know the jig is up, though generally they are too arrogant to realize it. Lakes's partner Charles Ng fought to the bitter end in a prolonged courtroom debacle.

MK had already been caught twice. He knew the jig was up. I think he did want to have ultimate control, to avoid seeing his new image shattered, and also to avoid prison.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I found this article to be interesting:

snip

But Barnhill doesn’t favor toughening Iowa laws, and warns that not all sex offenders should be treated the same. Sexually violent predators including pedophiles already must get enhanced penalties, she notes. Klunder, convicted of two kidnappings, was sentenced in 1992 to 41 years but released after 19. Responding to calls from the public, Gov. Terry Branstad now says the Legislature should revisit Iowa’s time-served law, which allows certain convicts to earn 1.2 days for each day of successful participation in prison programs. But under today’s requirements, sexual predators must first serve at least 85 percent of their sentences. Predators considered at risk of reoffending can also be civilly committed after completing their sentences.

In Klunder’s case, part of the problem may be in how he was charged. Though the Department of Corrections had enough evidence to require him to get sex-offender treatment, his charge did not include a sexual offense.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130612/BASU/306120039/Basu-Rape-culture-remains?Opinion

 

[tlcya]

MOO Klunder seems to act on impulse with little or no planning beforehand. When things go awry or he loses control of the victim, situation, he blunders about. This is the impression I get of him based on his known crimes.

As to our girls abduction being a perfect (thus far) crime, I disagree. Perhaps our girls were the first time things went like he imagined without things going awry or him losing control. Perhaps this seems like the perfect crime because LE did not have him on their radar and were too focused on distractions such as DM and known associates.

Not sold on MK as the killer of our girls. Just cannot seem to dismiss him entirely yet.

 

[Foxfire]

FYI: BBM

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/police-recover-backpacks-2-kidnapped-iowa-girls

Michael J. Klunder, 6 feet 6 inches tall and 240 pounds, had to periodically check in with authorities as a registered sex offender. But because he was never convicted of sexually abusing a minor and was considered a second-tier offender, he did not face any restrictions on where he could live and faced less frequent monitoring.

 

[Indy Anna]

I tend to agree with SS - I think by now LE should have enough info to rule Klunder in or out regarding Lyric & Lizzie. Phone records should indicate where Klunder was on July 13, 2012.

IMO, Klunder isn't the perp. Whoever took and killed our girls has, so far, pulled off a perfect crime. He took the girls, and killed them, without being seen. If it was Klunder, I feel his abduction of D and Kathlynn would not have been carried out like it was. JMO

We really don't know, though, whether Klunder had gotten away with other crimes. He may yet be linked to other cold cases. He may have victims that are still listed as missing, as their bodies have not been found.

 

[cindersoot]

If Klunder isn't our POI, then why isn't LE saying anything?

 

[SapphireSteel]

If Klunder isn't our POI, then why isn't LE saying anything?

My theory - because it suits them.

They have been very tight lipped all the way through, excessively so. There is a reason for this (I suspect they have a large undercover op going).

The Klunder Mess provides them with some breathing space, temporarily.

:cow:

 

[cindersoot]

OT. I'm noticing that at least once a week there is a report of a dead man, suspicious or not suspicious death. These are all men between the ages of 25 to 54 in Iowa. They are found dead in driveways, fields, apartments etc. Wierd.

 

[SapphireSteel]

FYI: BBM

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/police-recover-backpacks-2-kidnapped-iowa-girls

Michael J. Klunder, 6 feet 6 inches tall and 240 pounds, had to periodically check in with authorities as a registered sex offender. But because he was never convicted of sexually abusing a minor and was considered a second-tier offender, he did not face any restrictions on where he could live and faced less frequent monitoring.

^^^^This.

Hardly fits the diagnosis of "psychopathic". Also, at the risk of sounding repetitive, we do not know if the girls were sexually assaulted.

We need to keep sleuthing imo. Klunder's not the one.

 

[cindersoot]

My theory - because it suits them.

They have been very tight lipped all the way through, excessively so. There is a reason for this (I suspect they have a large undercover op going).

The Klunder Mess provides them with some breathing space, temporarily.

:cow:

So you think maybe by not bring it to the public that it might be because the persson they are looking at, is calm cool and collected right now?

 

[SapphireSteel]

So you think maybe by not bring it to the public that it might be because the persson they are looking at, is calm cool and collected right now?

Exactly.

And I have always thought LE were looking at persons, not just one offender.

I believe also that the primary suspect may well be already out of circulation - ie, already in jail. :moo:

 

[SapphireSteel]

OT. I'm noticing that at least once a week there is a report of a dead man, suspicious or not suspicious death. These are all men between the ages of 25 to 54 in Iowa. They are found dead in driveways, fields, apartments etc. Wierd.

Iowa=the home of Meth.

It's not so unusual. Mostly overdoses or one tweaker offing another for his stash or cash.

:cow:

 

[cindersoot]

I agree that they are looking at someone else and always have been. Although I don't think its but one person and that one person has no previous criminal record.

 

[cindersoot]

Iowa=the home of Meth.

It's not so unusual. Mostly overdoses or one tweaker offing another for his stash or cash.

:cow:

Your might be right, but I disagree that Iowa is the home of meth. Meth is everywhere.

 

[Foxfire]

Regardless of the motive for killing his first victim, whether fulfilling a fantasy or eliminating a witness... Once the threshold from fantasy to reality is crossed..that is the point of no return...imo.. The obvious question would be, 'when did he cross this threshold'?

Michael J. Klunder, seemed very compulsive in his need and desire to inflict pain and torture upon women/girls from a very early age. Imo, it was not the sex that was important to MJK, but the control and domination over them."

 

[Marilynilpa]

We really don't know, though, whether Klunder had gotten away with other crimes. He may yet be linked to other cold cases. He may have victims that are still listed as missing, as their bodies have not been found.

You're absolutely right. If it turns out Klunder committed other, undetected crimes then my opinion would change.

But based upon what we know at this time, I don't feel he was involved in what happened to Lyric and Lizzie. JMO

 

[Marilynilpa]

Your might be right, but I disagree that Iowa is the home of meth. Meth is everywhere.

Here is a look at the 10 states with the highest number of meth lab busts.

Missouri 2,096
Tennessee 1,687
Indiana 1,437
Kentucky 1,188
Oklahoma with 902
Illinois 584
Iowa 382
Michigan 352
North Carolina 340
South Carolina 265

http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/national/the-10-states-with-the-most-meth-lab-busts

So it looks like Iowa is not #1 regarding meth in the U.S.

 

[cindersoot]

I think there are a lot of Michael Klunders out there.