IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #35

[Abba's Tears]

They should at least go outside of Iowa for that.

They'd have to go a lot farther than that to find someone unfamiliar with this case.

 

[Inthedetails]

Everyone is allowed to get representation in this country. The fact that someone is paying for him to get the best representation possible bothers me.

Do you have a link about who is paying? Or, do you mean the State?

 

[Kensie]

Love that series of books by P. Cornwell.

 

[MsBetsy]

Most assuredly, the SSN will not be fraudulent. I'm sure we will find that it is a legit SSN belonging to a real person, still alive. More than likely, the SSN was "sold" by the person who the number was originally assigned. It is very likely the person to whom the SSN was originally assigned obtained the number as a permanent resident. It is very probable the SSN has been used by multiple persons, using the same name and biographical data.

As to how they get fraudulent ID's, they usually aren't fraudulent. They are usually legit using other real documents by people posing to be someone they are not. moo.

That's really interesting. Any idea how long people can get away with it before they are tracked down?

 

[Jaclin]

At first it was for the safe return of Mollie. If they knew, they knew they couldn't safely return her.

but I thought there was also a 2.000 dollar reward for information leading to finding Mollie.

 

[otto]

His intelligence level is the equivalency of a seventh grader! I'm sure he has problems with his own language. I wouldn't worry about a translater giving him any benefit at all. And as you say, it is absolutely necessary for a translator to be there to ensure Justice for Mollie. If it were possible, I'd want a tutor there to help make sure he understands every last detail!

Not at all. His lawyer claims that he has a grade 7 or 8 formal education. That does not mean he is dumb. That means he did not go to school. Maybe his criminal life started when he was 14-15 year old. This doesn't tell us anything about his intelligence. In fact, he cleverly obtained illegal documents and used them for 4-7 years.

There is no reason to think that he has any language problems. In fact, he seems to be fluent in two languages, and he seems bright enough to hire a good lawyer and a private translator to ensure that the court appointed translator doesn't mess up.

There is no reason to under-estimate this suspect's criminal history, knowledge, experience, and ability to manipulate appearances.

 

[kpm]

Did the other jogger just now come forward about being followed in Brooklyn by a stranger? If she knew MT went missing from her jogging route & didn’t immediately call LE about her experience..IMHO..that is odd.

Here is the story


Illegal immigrant charged with killing Mollie Tibbetts tailed ANOTHER girl in his car | Daily Mail Online

 

[S. Gammon]

But... did you see this "best representation possible" in action today? Because, no.

I would say that whoever is paying for him (if he is indeed being paid) could have done better.

 

[jamb06]

That's really interesting. Any idea how long people can get away with it before they are tracked down?

I can give you a variety of answers based on truth, but you wouldn't like any of them.

 

[MsBetsy]

Don't know if I am allowed to say this, but I believe (from LE's description) she succumbed from a head injury. I suspect she had expired before he put her in his car.

Let's see what the ME says.

I think so too.

 

[Alethea]

On plea deals, there's many ways to formulate a plea deal. Prosecutors with a strong case may be unwilling to plea down to a lesser charge, but there are things they can offer a defendant to avoid a trial. They can recommend he be housed in a prison near his family so they can visit, they can try to recommend certain work programs while in prison. Trials are very difficult, very expensive, and very time consuming for prosecutors. Ideally, they want to put the defendant away quickly and be able to get to work on the next case. Every prosecutor will tell you it is unfortunate but they do have to consider resources and costs when evaluating when to offer a plea deal and what to accept. If they can get 99% of what they'd get with a guilty verdict at trial, and the family does not want to go through the pain of a trial, they'll always accept that deal. The wishes of the family weigh heavily.

 

[MyBelle]

UPDATE: Experts say legal status system easily exploited

Both E-Verify and the Social Security Administration's program, immigration experts say, can be beaten with a state ID and a Social Security number belonging to someone else.​

Our state now uses a chip on both state driver's licenses and IDs so that they can't be duplicated. No employer should hire someone with an out-of-state ID. This type of employment scam has been used at packing houses for years.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Will someone help re-thread/bump a MSM source that actually says Cristhian Bahena Rivera was using a stolen identity, or a fake Social Security number, or committed tax fraud, or that the company he worked for knowingly employed him illegally?

Because I can't find any. They very well might exist and be buried by more recent updates in my searches. I'm also not saying none of those things are possible. I just want to be able to follow the facts of this fast-moving thread. Thank you!!

Here's the definition of "undocumented immigrant," according to the US government (bbm): "An alien who entered the United States illegally without the proper authorization and documents, or who entered the United States legally and has since violated the terms of his or her visa or overstayed the time limit."

 

[runfar262]

Mollie vigil live stream now
St. Patrick's Catholic Church holds a prayer service and vigil for Mollie Tibbetts, the Iowa woman whose body was found a month after she was reported missing. - from Remembering Mollie Tibbetts

Thank you so much for posting this. I am still able to watch it in it's entirety. Peace.

 

[S. Gammon]

Do you have a link about who is paying? Or, do you mean the State?

I don't think the State is paying. I'm not sure about Iowa, but I would think his only option would be from the public defender pool. I would be curious who is paying if the lawyer did not volunteer. Personally, I can't imagine who would want to defend this case.

 

[MsBetsy]

I can give you a variety of answers based on truth, but you wouldn't like any of them.

Just wanted an idea. Like years? Doesn't matter if I like it, just want to have an idea how long. The longest time people have Gotten away with it. You have me thinking it's 20 years!

 

[Rocco]

Not at all. His lawyer claims that he has a grade 7 or 8 formal education. That does not mean he is dumb. That means he did not go to school. Maybe his criminal life started when he was 14-15 year old. This doesn't tell us anything about his intelligence. In fact, he cleverly obtained illegal documents and used them for 4-7 years.

There is no reason to think that he has any language problems. In fact, he seems to be fluent in two languages, and he seems bright enough to hire a good lawyer and a private translator to ensure that the court appointed translator doesn't mess up.

There is no reason to under-estimate this suspect's criminal history, knowledge, experience, and ability to manipulate appearances.

He clearly doesn't have too much knowledge of how the system works or when questioned by LE, he would have said he didn't know what they were talking about and asked for an attorney. Instead he told them he abducted Mollie, she died while with him, and he led them to her body.

 

[MassGuy]

I couldn’t care less if this guy gets a “dream team” of lawyers. Everyone is entitled to a defense, regardless of how egregious their crimes may be.

Nothing is going to save him from a life sentence. He literally led police to Mollie’s body, his culpability is not in question here. He knew what he was doing was wrong, which is why he concealed Mollie’s body.

He’s not insane, legally or otherwise. The case may not be over, but his fate is sealed, regardless of the quality of his defense.

 

[MyBelle]

Was Mollie sexually assaulted? Why would the judge say Rivera would be put on a sex offender registry if convicted of murder?

>>snip

It is not yet clear how Mollie died or whether she was sexually assaulted thought Rivera was told during his court appearance Tuesday that he would be placed on the sex offender registry for life if convicted of murder.

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Map of area showing where Mollie was abducted and where her body was found.

Maybe other women he's assaulted have come forward and we just don't know it yet? Sounds to me like more charges are to come.

 

[otto]

Will someone help re-thread/bump a MSM source that actually says Cristhian Bahena Rivera was using a stolen identity, or a fake Social Security number, or committed tax fraud, or that the company he worked for knowingly employed him illegally?

Because I can't find any. They very well might exist and be buried by more recent updates in my searches. I'm also not saying none of those things are possible. I just want to be able to follow the facts of this fast-moving thread. Thank you!!

Here's the definition of "undocumented immigrant," according to the US government (bbm): "An alien who entered the United States illegally without the proper authorization and documents, or who entered the United States legally and has since violated the terms of his or her visa or overstayed the time limit."

"The manager of a dairy farm says the man charged with kidnapping and killing an Iowa college student was a good employee who worked there for four years under a fake name.

Dane Lang, manager of Yarrabee Farms in Brooklyn, Iowa, said that Cristhian Bahena Rivera presented an out-of-state government-issued photo identification and a matching social security card when he was hired in 2014. Lang says, "our employee is not who he said he was."​

UPDATE: Experts say legal status system easily exploited

 

[Mom24]

They didn't say anything about the fitbit or her phone in the affidavit, so can we assume those items were not with her when she was found?