GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #116

[LadyL]

Even if a coffee place is drive-thru only, meaning no place to go inside and sit, people can still walk up to the window and order that way. I've seen it done many times in an adjoining state. They aren't going to tell the walker they can't be served because they didn't pull up in a car. The only "rule" is to not cut in front of cars and walk straight up to the window (unless they have separate drive-thru and walk-up windows like my local Dutch Bros). If the business doesn't have a walk-up window they need to stand in the line of cars and wait their turn. That's fair.

are you specifically talking about Kate’s Cup of Joe? cause here where I live people cannot go through a drive-through unless they're in a vehicle and will not be served if walking and there is no separate 'walk up window'

 

[Gemmie]

are you specifically talking about Kate’s Cup of Joe? cause here where I live people cannot go through a drive-through unless they're in a vehicle and will not be served if walking and there is no separate 'walk up window'

Your question is answered in my 2nd sentence.

 

[sunspun]

are you specifically talking about Kate’s Cup of Joe? cause here where I live people cannot go through a drive-through unless they're in a vehicle and will not be served if walking and there is no separate 'walk up window'

I'm missing something, because I don't see the relevance since he was driving and not on foot.

 

[Zinn]

are you specifically talking about Kate’s Cup of Joe? cause here where I live people cannot go through a drive-through unless they're in a vehicle and will not be served if walking and there is no separate 'walk up window'

From what I can tell online, this place looks like a tiny house or large shack. It’s described as a drive-thru but does not resemble a typical fast food drive-thru with a clearly defined queueing lane, though the menu board is affixed to the exterior next to a service window. Looking at it more closely, I can imagine walk-ups might be permitted.

Maybe there was a line he didn’t want to wait in or maybe they didn’t have exactly what he wanted, considering his very specific dietary preferences. Or maybe the idea of self-checkout felt safer than being so up close and personal with the person manning the window and perhaps a camera there.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Sweat pants would make sense.

I am interested in the psychology concerning BK's fascination or obsession with the movie "American Psycho". I've never seen the movie so I got this from AI about the plot:

"The story centers on Patrick Bateman, a handsome, well-educated, and wealthy Wall Street executive who maintains a meticulous morning routine and a facade of normalcy while descending into violent, hedonistic fantasies and acts of murder at night." Another description of the plot said "misogynist attitudes"were on display too and maybe that's where BK first picked up his very odd horrid attitude toward women we have heard so much about going all the way back to his earlier years before Idaho.

I find the "meticulous morning routine" of the psycho in the movie interesting as well as the "facade of normalcy". I can easily picture BK adopting those for himself. And the "nightime fantasies and acts of murder at night" can certainly explain his middle of the night wakefullness. But on the "handsome, well educated, and wealthy", gag me. Yet I'm thinking he may have really believed he had perfected that whole entire persona, accounting for his general overall overly inflated view of himself.

What are the odds he first saw American Psycho at a young "budding" or imprintable developmental age and was eroticized by the lead role in American Psycho? Maybe he began to cosplay the traits in his own real life from a very young age, and in a narcissistic twisted way eventually fell in love with his own self as that role? Maybe that explains his "self love" night time selfies? I'm curious also as to how he envisioned his life *after* his murders, given that he was tanking at Life 101 overall. Addictions cause many students to fail in school and maybe his was a compulsive murder fantasy addiction that caused him to be so very odd that it eventually got him kicked out of school or was it that he just lost his assistantship job? I'm not clear on that detail.

Any idea how a person would go about finding out how old BK was when he first saw American Psycho? The movie first came out in 2000.

We need one of our verified psych/human science types to weigh in here. I think the imprinting idea related to age might be interesting to consider. Or maybe he was just born a plain sicko. OMO.

@10ofRods often has insights on topics like this. Ten, you out there?

 

[OneLove]

Thanks for the assist! ~ From what I can tell with my limited knowledge, BK may have been about 5 years old when the first American Psycho movie was released. I don't believe streaming at home was a thing yet but renting movies was. I am wondering if he had older siblings, maybe teens, maybe he saw it at an age too young to appropriately process the subject content.

I've never seen it. Is it very explicitly gory?

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Thanks for the assist! ~ From what I can tell with my limited knowledge, BK may have been about 5 years old when the first American Psycho movie was released. I don't believe streaming at home was a thing yet but renting movies was. I am wondering if he had older siblings, maybe teens, maybe he saw it at an age too young to appropriately process the subject content.

I've never seen it. Is it very explicitly gory?

I’ve never seen the movie either but kids (and adults) can be traumatized both by experiencing/seeing something horrific in real life or on film (IMHO), especially if watched over and over. That’s why they say kids watching violent cartoons and playing those murder video games are affected — they can become desensitized, for one thing. OMO.

I’ve also heard that watching violent films triggers higher levels of testosterone in men, with corollary results — only something I read but also had a male friend tell me it was true for him.

Again, I’m only a parent of adult men — no professional — MOO. MOO.

But my gut tells me the sicko’s problem is more complex then having watched horror movies at an early age. JMO.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I’ve never seen the movie either but kids (and adults) can be traumatized both by experiencing/seeing something horrific in real life or on film (IMHO), especially if watched over and over. That’s why they say kids watching violent cartoons and playing those murder video games are affected — they can become desensitized, for one thing. OMO.

I’ve also heard that watching violent films triggers higher levels of testosterone in men, with corollary results — only something I read but also had a male friend tell me it was true for him.

Again, I’m only a parent of adult men — no professional — MOO. MOO.

But my gut tells me the sicko’s problem is more complex then having watched horror movies at an early age. JMO.

I agree. I've posted a few times awhile back there was a quadruple murder in a home in the area he grew up in when he was around 4 years old. However, since we don't know for sure whether he actually knew of it or was affected by it, and otherwise what his formative years were like, or any positive or negative impacts on his development, I won't post a link to it again. But it was horrifically gruesome from what I read, and if he heard people talking about it, who knows....

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

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[LMDlong]

33 minutes ago...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972670200630989195

I stopped the video and zoomed into view his hand. To me it looks like his knuckles were scraped and his pinky finger has a splint or something on it.

 

[LMDlong]

I stopped the video and zoomed into view his hand. To me it looks like his knuckles were scraped and his pinky finger has a splint or something on it.

 

[Megnut]

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Brass knuckles?

 

[Gemmie]

From what I can tell online, this place looks like a tiny house or large shack. It’s described as a drive-thru but does not resemble a typical fast food drive-thru with a clearly defined queueing lane, though the menu board is affixed to the exterior next to a service window. Looking at it more closely, I can imagine walk-ups might be permitted.

Maybe there was a line he didn’t want to wait in or maybe they didn’t have exactly what he wanted, considering his very specific dietary preferences. Or maybe the idea of self-checkout felt safer than being so up close and personal with the person manning the window and perhaps a camera there.

are you specifically talking about Kate’s Cup of Joe? cause here where I live people cannot go through a drive-through unless they're in a vehicle and will not be served if walking and there is no separate 'walk up window'

I'm thinking they accept walk-ups as I had surmised in an earlier post. While I doubt you can actually pick an order up "in-store" like it says on their FB page (perhaps they don't control the language) and that means you could walk up to pick up an order. It doesn't look like there's space to actually go IN-store like it says, so it's JMO that they do allow walk-ups.

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[OneLove]

This Youtube shows river access from the parking lot where Kate's Cup is. The video is (unnecessarily) long but this guy walks down to the river from there to show the easy access.

While Kates Cup might not actually forbid walkup orders, you can see from the line of cars how terribly awkward this would be and why its almost never done at most of these parking lot kiosks. There is no separate order window for walkups so a person would have to park somewhere, walk over, then wait their turn behind a line of vehicles with motors still running. They can't just break in line in front of waiting cars (without starting a fight). And if there are no cars waiting in line, they can't be guaranteed there won't be by the time they park and walk up to the window. Also, the prospect of cars whizzing up (badly in need of coffee/caffeine) while they are standing there wouldn't feel exactly safe either. Add the weather exposure and extra time required and it adds up to why the drive up kiosks do well (enough to stay in business). Those who want a walkup counter experience tend to look for the Starbucks type places.

I lean toward believing BK walked into multiple stores there intentionally to be seen on camera as an "alibi" of sorts for being there if he were ever questioned. Same with that weird getup he was wearing, looking almost like he was trying to blend in with the (respectable and nonsuspicious) LDS mission boy look. Just more camouflage. I'm guessing he spent years dreaming up the "perfect" murder and building an unquestionable cover up. Whoopsie!

Do students and faculty at his university actually dress like that?

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[LadyL]

I'm missing something, because I don't see the relevance since he was driving and not on foot.

I was just responding to the post talking about 'walk-up' service but you're right, it's o/t (I got off track)

 

[LadyL]

From what I can tell online, this place looks like a tiny house or large shack. It’s described as a drive-thru but does not resemble a typical fast food drive-thru with a clearly defined queueing lane, though the menu board is affixed to the exterior next to a service window. Looking at it more closely, I can imagine walk-ups might be permitted.

Maybe there was a line he didn’t want to wait in or maybe they didn’t have exactly what he wanted, considering his very specific dietary preferences. Or maybe the idea of self-checkout felt safer than being so up close and personal with the person manning the window and perhaps a camera there.

kinda looks like he just drove through - not sure if he slowed down at all to view a menu - but he had to know there would be cameras wherever he ended up

 

[Megnut]

kinda looks like he just drove through - not sure if he slowed down at all to view a menu - but he had to know there would be cameras wherever he ended up

Nothing to see here, just everyday in the life of a normal PhD student. Taking another self for his own admiration. Driving a ridiculous distant to shop for.... something to drink.

One might conclude he had time to kill.

But of course, he'd already done that. I honestly think he was trying to appear normal, doing normal things, without having any real awareness of what normal looks like.

Notably he wasn't grading papers, working on his own.

Except for the possibility that he discarded evidence on some part of that trip, what exactly did he DO that whole day? A dramatic day of nothing?

One wonders when he slept last. Or again.

JMO

 

[Toniab329]

Brass knuckles?

I doubt if he'd wear brass knuckles into Costco.

I'm confused about the timeline here, are they trying to say it was immediately after? Because I also doubt if any stores are open at 4:30 Sunday morning. The next day? Some random date after the murders?

 

[LadyL]

Nothing to see here, just everyday in the life of a normal PhD student. Taking another self for his own admiration. Driving a ridiculous distant to shop for.... something to drink.

One might conclude he had time to kill.

But of course, he'd already done that. I honestly think he was trying to appear normal, doing normal things, without having any real awareness of what normal looks like.

Notably he wasn't grading papers, working on his own.

Except for the possibility that he discarded evidence on some part of that trip, what exactly did he DO that whole day? A dramatic day of nothing?

One wonders when he slept last. Or again.

JMO

hopefully his sleep is disturbed with nightmares for the rest of his life
I wonder when they had this footage and if they were able to check any dumpsters on his route

 

[LadyL]

I doubt if he'd wear brass knuckles into Costco.

I'm confused about the timeline here, are they trying to say it was immediately after? Because I also doubt if any stores are open at 4:30 Sunday morning. The next day? Some random date after the murders?

I believe it was later on the day of the murders
he went home first and showered, took a selfie in the bathroom mirror, talked to Mother, possibly went and discarded some evidence, then had a craving for a cold coffee drink apparently JMO
someone correct me if I'm wrong

ETA: didn't he at some point that morning also drive back by the crime scene?