Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[MistyWaters]

I'm pretty sure the second auto was shown parked at CR's house/trailer in media photos after CR's arrest. LE has to have probable cause to seize property.

You might be thinking of this article by DM. Third photo down. A different black car, not the Chevy Malibu however was the topic of considerable discussion. It’s also not the same vehicle as the 2nd one on the tow truck.
The trailer on Iowa farm where Mollie Tibbetts's 'killer' lived | Daily Mail Online

 

[kpm]

You might be thinking of this article by DM. Third photo down. A different black car, not the Chevy Malibu however was the topic of considerable discussion. It’s also not the same vehicle as the 2nd one on the tow truck.
The trailer on Iowa farm where Mollie Tibbetts's 'killer' lived | Daily Mail Online

I wonder if all the cars located on the farm were searched

 

[MistyWaters]

I think it's more likely that his coworkers didn't think of him as a possible murderer, rather than that they deliberately shielded someone they thought was a murderer.

Remember how LE took several weeks to tell the general public to be aware of this sort of thing--cuts and bruises, car wash, changes in behavior, etc.

So--I don't know how work on a dairy farm is scheduled--but one thing is certain, it's not a Monday to Friday job. I suspect that days tend to blur together, and after four weeks it'd be really hard to remember when your coworker had scratched hands, and when he was such a nice guy and got the car washed.

Yes they might not’ve noticed anything unusual although her disappearance was a high focus in the community right away. One thing I thought about, I’d imagine it’s impossible to wash blood from a trunk of a car without leaving it open to dry for quite awhile. He’d have had to come up with a story around that as well.

Also, in that LE stated CR recognized Mollie (although not friends) comes the question was he alone when he spotted her or with friends who were also aware of who she was as well? Did CR not let on that he was somehow interested in a young female jogging around town?

The friends/relatives/coworkers might’ve kept silent early on, talking themselves out of suspicious as commonly happens. Not a lot different I guess than those who’ve told their stories to the media after the fact. But following CR’s arrest, I’d be really surprised if those closely associated with him still declared there was not one single indication of his involvement.

 

[Mica]

All the discussion here about the farm has me thinking. IMO, I suspect the farm didn’t vet their employees. Of course, I could be wrong.

Their statements are riddled in controversy. They initially stated they used E-verify to vet Rivera then a day later later stated they were mistaken. They used the SS verification process instead which they thought was E-verify.

An employer has to register with a username and password. They had to know what system they were using. They were never registered with E-verify. They are just now registering for the service.

There is a reason the Department of Homeland Security and ICE were back at the farm. If violations are found, I hope charges are forthcoming under federal law. The owner’s political ties should not give them a pass.


>>snip

Rivera's now-former employer, Yarrabee Farms, on Tuesday said he had passed an employment check. "This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government's E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing," Yarrabee Farms said in a statement Tuesday.

>>snip

However, the farm's owners said in a press conference later on Wednesday that the company had determined their ex-employee had used a false name to pass verification. They also explained that while they thought they were using E-Verify, they were actually using a different older system through the Social Security Administration.

"Just within the last four hours we have come to learn that the Social Security Administration employment verification service is not the same as E-Verify," said Dane Lang, co-owner and manager of the farm. "We're signing up for e-verification, and we intend to fully vet everyone through the E-Verify system."

Man charged in Mollie Tibbetts death didn't go through E-Verify

 

[kpm]

Yes they might not’ve noticed anything unusual although her disappearance was a high focus in the community right away. One thing I thought about, I’d imagine it’s impossible to wash blood from a trunk of a car without leaving it open to dry for quite awhile. He’d have had to come up with a story around that as well.

Also, in that LE stated CR recognized Mollie (although not friends) comes the question was he alone when he spotted her or with friends who were also aware of who she was as well? Did CR not let on that he was somehow interested in a young female jogging around town?

The friends/relatives/coworkers might’ve kept silent early on, talking themselves out of suspicious as commonly happens. Not a lot different I guess than those who’ve told their stories to the media after the fact. But following CR’s arrest, I’d be really surprised if those closely associated with him still declared there was not one single indication of his involvement.

Hindsight is always a luxury, as we’ve seen from recent articles about others who were creeped out by him, if true

IMO, when you possibly have a situation with numerous illegals the chances of someone speaking up are probably slim and how would you possibly collect the funds if you are illegal?

I wonder a lot about the lady who claims she parties with all of them, the older one who hit on CR and was turned down.

She was a housekeeper there, IIRC, did she notice anything?

I also wonder about any wounds he might have had, which probably wouldn’t stand out too much on a farm, but think of scratch marks on his arms or face, did he wear long sleeves, which I know many do.

Just thinking out loud about all the what ifs.

 

[MistyWaters]

I wonder if all the cars located on the farm were searched

I don’t know but it does appear LE was quite confident CR was driving the black Malibu and it fits within the timeline they had earlier established. As it was video that led to a suspect, if no other vehicles were sighted maybe there is no reason for them to search for other vehicles? A lot we don’t know but it’s a possibility rural video was also key in establishing the vehicle’s route because it’s just as common for rural landowners to have security cameras as it is for town folk.

 

[kpm]

I don’t know but it does appear LE was quite confident CR was driving the black Malibu and it fits within the timeline they had earlier established. As it was video that led to a suspect, if no other vehicles were sighted maybe there is no reason for them to search for other vehicles? A lot we don’t know but it’s a possibility rural video was also key in establishing the vehicle’s route because it’s just as common for rural landowners to have security cameras as it is for town folk.

Oh ya, I think they know that vehicle for sure

What’s puzzling, because they are waiting on all the evidence, was she held for any time, TOD, transported in another car, possibly two spots at the cornfield, were her clothes on the body or at the location, etc.

 

[TL4S]

Right, the pic may be a random cut and paste but he had a reason he wanted that pic in his profile, IMO

To send a message is my guess, which is really stupid given his status

ETA

Wasn’t there some controversy about handing over social media as part of the vetting process?

Found it...

US to require would-be immigrants to turn over social media handles - CNNPolitics

I'd really like to know where CR hung out during those 5 weeks. If he was in other regional cities and/or had places he went regularly, it would be interesting to talk to the people who saw him there to see if they picked up on anything different.

 

[MistyWaters]

What is the normal timeframe for news to come forth about a case like this?

That’s a good question. It’s difficult for us to really know what’s happening.

I don’t think Iowa has sunshine laws like some other states, where evidence must be disclosed and released to the general public. And this case is somewhat unusual because it went from a missing persons case to a confession of direct involvement, the recovery of Mollie’s body and an arrest for murder all in the same day. The full completion of the autopsy may still be taking place along with additional forensic investigation.

So just my opinion, I don’t think CR will enter a plea until the defense has been provided with all the evidence. After that the criminal process will begin.

 

[kpm]

I'd really like to know where CR hung out during those 5 weeks. If he was in other regional cities and/or had places he went regularly, it would be interesting to talk to the people who saw him there to see if they picked up on anything different.

Oh I know!

What did he do after work each day

Did he go out

Did he travel to other cities near by

Did he stay holed up

Did he approach any other girls in the area

Was he all of a sudden drinking or getting high

We know he was with or talking to relatives and friends because they claim that MT was a topic

 

[kpm]

That’s a good question. It’s difficult for us to really know what’s happening.

I don’t think Iowa has sunshine laws like some other states, where evidence must be disclosed and released to the general public. And this case is somewhat unusual because it went from a missing persons case to the recovery of Mollie’s body and an arrest all in the same day. The full completion of the autopsy may still be taking place along with additional forensic investigation.

So just my opinion, I don’t think CR will enter a plea until the defense has been provided with all the evidence. After that the criminal process will begin.

Agree on when he might enter a plea!

Does any one know what happens if the murder weapon is not found

 

[SteveP]

CR has now been sitting in a jail cell about half as long as Mollie was lying in a cornfield. If indeed this is CR's first time being incarcerated, I hope that it has been especially uncomfortable for him, and I hope that he has been haunted by her image every time he has closed his eyes. May she rest in peace, and unless and until he takes responsibility for what he did, and expresses sincere remorse, may he see no rest or peace. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Oh ya, I think they know that vehicle for sure

What’s puzzling, because they are waiting on all the evidence, was she held for any time, TOD, transported in another car, possibly two spots at the cornfield, were her clothes on the body or at the location, etc.

Just something to consider, the 20 or types lines on the affidavit only briefly summarizes CR’s confession. Those few words that are typed would’ve taken no longer than a few minutes for him to say, even with an interpreter. But LE said he was cooperative and the interview lasted many hours. So they have a lot more information than what’s been revealed.

If I had to guess, because of his confession I think some kind of plea deal is looming.

 

[kpm]

Is a murder weapon necessary......

The quick answer is no, a murder weapon is not necessary and neither is an actual body needed for a conviction on a homicide charge.

The murder weapon is helpful to the prosecution because it is extremely powerful evidence against the suspect.

In addition to the weapon producing potential DNA or fingerprint evidence, it also potentially can sometimes produce an actual record of the suspect purchasing the weapon.

These factors, as well as potentially finding the weapon in a suspect’s actual or constructive possession, are all strong examples of circumstantial evidence which is often necessary especially in cases where there is weak direct evidence (eyewitness or video).



The murder weapon is extremely powerful evidence against the suspect.

 

[kpm]

Just something to consider, the 20 or types lines on the affidavit only briefly summarizes CR’s confession. Those few words that are typed would’ve taken no longer than a few minutes for him to say, even with an interpreter. But LE said he was cooperative and the interview lasted many hours. So they have a lot more information than what’s been revealed.

If I had to guess, because of his confession I think some kind of plea deal is looming.

Exactly

 

[PommyMommy]

Will be very interesting to see what LE collected from his house or trailer

That FB pic does look like a bragging badge of honor, IMO

Just jumping off your post. I did a little research on the photo and IMO, it doesn't relate to him directly.

His FB post is dated June 28, 2017 with the website Metroflog on the bottom right corner of the photo. Cristhian Bahena Rivera


MetroFLOG is a social media platform in the Spanish language based in Buenos Aires, Argentina and likely where CR obtained the photo.
MetroFLOG - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

It was published elsewhere prior to the MetroFLOG post. One example (without the MetroFLOG website on the bottom right corner) is this website - in 2014, if I understand the translation correctly. Blog de SAVIGNY-LE-TEMPLE77GANGS


It is also seen in this video posted in 2012.

 

[SteveP]

Exactly

This probably would have been better linked to Misty's post about the brief confession summary and how the interview took many hours. I agree, and would bet that the interview may have lasted 12 hours or more, and probably included at least two investigators, playing good cop, bad cop. It was reported that he was first approached the day before the body was located. I am pretty sure that he was taken in right away, and we know that LE was in the cornfield before daybreak, so it is reasonable to think that he had been interrogated all night, and finally was basically exhausted by the time he confessed and took her to the remains. I think that is a common interrogation technique, from following many cases. "I know you are exhausted and need sleep. We know you did it, so just take us there and you can get some rest". JMO

 

[kpm]

Just jumping off your post. I did a little research on the photo and IMO, it doesn't relate to him directly.

His FB post is dated June 28, 2017 with the website Metroflog on the bottom right corner of the photo.
Cristhian Bahena Rivera

MetroFLOG is a social media platform in the Spanish language based in Buenos Aires, Argentina and likely where CR obtained the photo.
MetroFLOG - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

It was published elsewhere prior to the MetroFLOG post. One example (without the MetroFLOG website on the bottom right corner) is this website - in 2014, if I understand the translation correctly. Blog de SAVIGNY-LE-TEMPLE77GANGS

It is also seen in this video posted in 2012.

IMO, it’s only related to him because he posted it to his FB, why would someone want that image for all to see unless it’s for bragging rights or acting like some hotshot.

I don’t think they are his per se.

 

[kpm]

This probably would have been better linked to Misty's post about the brief confession summary and how the interview took many hours, and probably included at least two investigators, playing good cop, bad cop. I agree, and would bet that the interview may have lasted 12 hours or more. It was reported that he was first approached the day before the body was located. I am pretty sure that he was taken in right away, and we know that LE was in the cornfield before daybreak, so it is reasonable to think that he had been interrogated all night, and finally was basically exhausted by the time he confessed and took her to the remains. I think that is a common interrogation technique, from following many cases. "I know you are exhausted and need sleep. We know you did it, so just take us there and you can get some rest". JMO

Yes, he was questioned a very long time, all we see in the warrant is the basics needed to arrest him for first degree murder.

LE only had his version at that time, he confessed to trailing her and taking her to the field, covering her up, there may be more but it was not needed to secure the warrant.

Notice it didn’t say anything about stabbing her, just that her head had blood.

Moo

 

[PommyMommy]

IMO, it’s only related to him because he posted it to his FB, why would someone want that image for all to see unless it’s for bragging rights or acting like some hotshot.

I don’t think they are his per se.

IMO, he used it to portray an image. Why, I have no idea - acting like some hotshot works for me, lol.

I think the original image was of evidence gathered in some kind of gang bust, but I don't speak/read Spanish, so it's hard to tell. And probably irrelevant to Mollie's case.