Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[wary]

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There is no ambiguity in the preliminary autopsy report. The body was apparently riddled with penetrating wounds, and this can prudently be listed as a presumptive, primary cause of death.

JIMHOO

I just wondered--is there any chance that our minds are over-exaggerating the number of stab wounds? What did the report say? Multiple? Is that the same as 'riddled?'

It doesn't really matter--just a random question.

 

[SteveP]

Maybe he's just not much of a "planner" I think it's possible he may have had a fantasy of doing what he did for awhile and then finally had the nerve to carry it out. He may not have made the actual decision until he drove his car up to her, or parked and got out, or whatever he did. Maybe the intense anger spurred him on, and at that point he made his final decision. Jmo

THIS is pretty spot on what I believe happened, but as the other poster said, none of us knows.

 

[Seattle1]

Hundreds come out for a memorial ride for Mollie Tibbetts 9-9-18

SWISHER, IA (KCRG-TV9)-- More than 500 people took part in a memorial ride from Brooklyn to Cedar Rapids in honor of Mollie Tibbetts.

Their first stop was at Black Squirrel Tap in Swisher. The event was put on by members the Brooklyn Volunteer Fire Department.

They didn't think expect the massive turnout. Firefighter Jeremy Mann says, "When we first did this, we only ordered 70 bandanas and then seeing how many people were interested we upped that to 200 thinking that would be enough, and by no means was that even close to enough.” Half the money raised will go to the fire fund, and the other half used to fund a scholarship in honor of Mollie.
Hundreds come out for a memorial ride for Mollie Tibbetts

Video of the ride at link above.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Maybe he's just not much of a "planner" I think it's possible he may have had a fantasy of doing what he did for awhile and then finally had the nerve to carry it out. He may not have made the actual decision until he drove his car up to her, or parked and got out, or whatever he did. Maybe the intense anger spurred him on, and at that point he made his final decision. Jmo

Yeah, what she said!

 

[MsBetsy]

I think we can go back and forth here till eternity trying to figure out the what, the how, and the why but until this actually goes to trial- if it does, we will never know and even then we may only know the what and how but not the why. We can debate on if he really blocked out his memory and if he did when but none of us know. Did he plan this or was it sporadic?
About 10 years ago my brother went "missing" in another state while we were attending a family celebration. He went missing on his own. We searched for weeks not knowing if he was hurt, dead or what. In the end he was found dead. We tried to rationalize his behavior, we're sure his next move would have been xyz-but it wasn't. I thought maybe it was my fault as my last words to him were "don't be an A-hole. Might that have contributed, maybe, but there were others who felt it was something they did or did not do. In the end what happened was a result of His Choices. It took a long time to realize we I could not rationalize what an irrational person will do. May he rest in peace.

I'm sorry that happened to your family. I know after 10 years it still hurts. Some things are just out of our control. There is just no making sense out of it. I hope your family heals from this tragedy.

 

[crhedBngr]

I think we can go back and forth here till eternity trying to figure out the what, the how, and the why but until this actually goes to trial- if it does, we will never know and even then we may only know the what and how but not the why. We can debate on if he really blocked out his memory and if he did when but none of us know. Did he plan this or was it sporadic?
About 10 years ago my brother went "missing" in another state while we were attending a family celebration. He went missing on his own. We searched for weeks not knowing if he was hurt, dead or what. In the end he was found dead. We tried to rationalize his behavior, we're sure his next move would have been xyz-but it wasn't. I thought maybe it was my fault as my last words to him were "don't be an A-hole. Might that have contributed, maybe, but there were others who felt it was something they did or did not do. In the end what happened was a result of His Choices. It took a long time to realize we I could not rationalize what an irrational person will do. May he rest in peace.

RBBM

I'm very, very sorry this happened to you. Please don't blame yourself. As one of my bosses once said to me, "you never know what's in people's heads".

 

[JenniD]

I'm sorry that happened to your family. I know after 10 years it still hurts. Some things are just out of our control. There is just no making sense out of it. I hope your family heals from this tragedy.

Thank you. I need to add that whatever CR did it was his decision. We all face adversities in our lives but how we choose to react to them makes all the difference

 

[MsBetsy]

I just wondered--is there any chance that our minds are over-exaggerating the number of stab wounds? What did the report say? Multiple? Is that the same as 'riddled?'

It doesn't really matter--just a random question.

Multiple is bad enough. Could be 30 times, could be 4 times. But I think since he himself describes being so angry that he blocked it out, leads us to believe it sadly may have been more times than we would like to know.

 

[Al Hoffman]

I just wondered--is there any chance that our minds are over-exaggerating the number of stab wounds? What did the report say? Multiple? Is that the same as 'riddled?'

It doesn't really matter--just a random question.

I did take poetic licence with my post. Multiple, in this context means more than one. Common usage is taken to mean several, maybe more. It is a deliberately vague term to use in an autopsy report finding, such as in this case.

 

[Anthony D]

I am still hung up on the ending time of 8:28. Where does that exact time come from
If it is Fitbit data does it have to be that MT heart quit beating at that time -or could it be that the Fitbit was not functioning due to it being removed or being out of range of the phone to sync. I know nothing about Fitbits so welcome an explanation

I'm guessing its the last time the heart rate was read on the fitbit so that either means she died at that moment or the fitbit disconnected at that moment.

The one thing I find interesting is LE says they can't comment on if she was held for a period of time before being killed, but I guess we can't really assume anything there until more facts come out.

We also don't know the current location of that fitbit/phone at this point either.

 

[Seattle1]

Just days before CR led LE to Mollie's body, the FBI said "there's an abductor [and killer] living among us." CR was on nobody's radar, and if not for the video of a suspicious circling vehicle, there was no road that would have led to CR at the dairy farm. For five weeks, CR continued living, working, sleeping, and eating, as if nothing was on his mind. He didn't loose weight, and his job performance did not suffer.

I believe CR is very calculating and dangerously clever. From previous accounts, we know that CR knew to befriend his targets or prey (initially, CR left a good first impression). During the entire time Mollie was missing, CR reportedly texted with a friend of Mollie's that was attending summer school and therefore not living in Brooklyn. She would question CR on the mood of Brooklyn, and what he thought happened to Mollie, and if any updates. And without hesitation, CR did nothing to trip himself up, because he was calculating enough to invoke the name of Mollie's Dad, Rob Tibbetts in his response. CR would say he thought Mollie's Dad was probably spot on -- that "Mollie was likely with somebody that misinterpreted the friendship," or that "they were in over their head," and "didn't know how to get out of the situation." CR would also say "Mollie's Dad thinks she'll be home soon," and "I believe her Dad."

CR remained under the radar because he studied Rob Tibbetts, and knew to use the words and theory of the respected father, and what nobody could find fault with, all the while deflecting any attention from himself. Even authorities commented on how does one go from a clean, good standing, well liked employee to murderer? I believe the answer is that CR is one of the most dangerous minds they've ever encountered, and we should be grateful he's no longer roaming the streets free. MOO

 

[Anthony D]

Just days before CR led LE to Mollie's body, the FBI said "there's an abductor [and killer] living among us." CR was on nobody's radar, and if not for the video of a suspicious circling vehicle, there was no road that would have led to CR at the dairy farm. For five weeks, CR continued living, working, sleeping, and eating, as if nothing was on his mind. He didn't loose weight, and his job performance did not suffer.

I believe CR is very calculating and dangerously clever. From previous accounts, we know that CR knew to befriend his targets or prey (initially, CR left a good first impression). During the entire time Mollie was missing, CR reportedly texted with a friend of Mollie's that was attending summer school and therefore not living in Brooklyn. She would question CR on the mood of Brooklyn, and what he thought happened to Mollie, and if any updates. And without hesitation, CR did nothing to trip himself up, because he was calculating enough to invoke the name of Mollie's Dad, Rob Tibbetts in his response. CR would say he thought Mollie's Dad was probably spot on -- that "Mollie was likely with somebody that misinterpreted the friendship," or that "they were in over their head," and "didn't know how to get out of the situation." CR would also say "Mollie's Dad thinks she'll be home soon," and "I believe her Dad."

CR remained under the radar because he studied Rob Tibbetts, and knew to use the words and theory of the respected father, and what nobody could find fault with, all the while deflecting any attention from himself. Even authorities commented on how does one go from a clean, good standing, well liked employee to murderer? I believe the answer is that CR is one of the most dangerous minds they've ever encountered, and we should be grateful he's no longer roaming the streets free. MOO

Great post here. I guess the biggest question here is we won't know if she was held captive at all until the trial and more details come out I assume, but if she was it would explain his behavior a lot, because maybe he was still debating what to do with her, however, I think even if she was held captive it couldn't be for very long, because of the state of the body when it was found.

 

[JenniD]

Great post here. I guess the biggest question here is we won't know if she was held captive at all until the trial and more details come out I assume, but if she was it would explain his behavior a lot, because maybe he was still debating what to do with her, however, I think even if she was held captive it couldn't be for very long, because of the state of the body when it was found.

How do we know what the state of the body was?

 

[Seattle1]

Great post here. I guess the biggest question here is we won't know if she was held captive at all until the trial and more details come out I assume, but if she was it would explain his behavior a lot, because maybe he was still debating what to do with her, however, I think even if she was held captive it couldn't be for very long, because of the state of the body when it was found.

Thank you. Personally, unless there were accomplices, I think Mollie would have escaped if she'd been held. It's also reported that CR did not miss any work from the typical long hours farm hands are known to keep. I think Mollie suffered a violent death on the evening she was abducted.

 

[Anthony D]

How do we know what the state of the body was?

Didn't it take like 2-3 days for them to identify it? I would think it has to be fairly decomposed if that was the case.

 

[Anthony D]

Thank you. Personally, unless there were accomplices, I think Mollie would have escaped if she'd been held. It's also reported that CR did not miss any work from the typical long hours farm hands are known to keep. I think Mollie suffered a violent death on the evening she was abducted.

Oh yea I'm totally in the camp of violent death on the same night she was abducted I just found it weird LE wouldn't confirm the non captive thing at this point, but I guess they are staying quiet till the trial.

 

[Seattle1]

Oh yea I'm totally in the camp of violent death on the same night she was abducted I just found it weird LE wouldn't confirm the non captive thing at this point, but I guess they are staying quiet till the trial.

Perhaps LE has evidence that the CR didn't take Mollie directly to the corn field, and moved her there sometime later. I've long wondered if Mollie was elsewhere before scrutiny befell the pig farmer, and CR intentionally moved her closer to WC.

 

[Tricia]

Hi Everyone,

Time to shut things down.

See you in the morning by 7:30 Mountain time.

Tricia

 

[Harmony 2]

Good morning! The thread is open for posting.

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[The Farm]

Happy Monday Morning.....