Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[kpm]

I think there was an article from the DM that said something along those lines. I always take what they say with a grain of salt. If I remember correctly, it did say that Rivera said the same thing that RT had been saying. I'm not sure if he was directly quoting him, but that he mentioned him and said he thought that that's what happened. There were some things I thought were strange in the article, but I can't remember what it was. It's hard for me to trust the DM as they have given innaccurate information in the past. But it still may be worth considering. As I recall they were the only ones who had that story. Another reason I'm not sure they are credible.

I think I saved the screen shot from the girls phone, I don’t know how to post them though

 

[feralwriter]

Sixty & sunny, dull roar off I-80 in my part of the world. I've been puzzling over how & why this happened every night.

Who goes from normal guy to executioner in a few minute span? What was the trigger that he thought he was entitled to be Mollie's grim reaper, taking away her next 60 or so years?

The cons of the crime so outweigh the pros that I am actually starting to wonder if it didn't go down pretty much how he said (though I don't believe a word out of him). Had he just driven past her that day, he could have resumed his entire life. Stayed in the U.S., sent $ home, had opportunities. Huge stakes, versus stay off the radar. To get to one woman, for a 43 minute experience.

For him, how did the pros of the crime outweigh the negatives? All he had to do was not get in her space. He had to have known frightening her would not end well for either him or her. But he did it anyway. It's not mentally sound. It's not how people reason.

I know that I like to think there are always precipitating signs with men like him. Clear-cut stuff women can spot ahead of time, like tendency toward a short fuse. If it's true about his black/block outs, it was on him to take responsibility to fix that. But his chain of reasoning excluded that. That afternoon, he literally traded the rest of his life for hers. Why would any one woman be worth that to him?

I don't know, but there's something hinky about how it went down that I keep circling back to. Were this pre-planned, wouldn't he have placed her in a very concealed spot? I mean really? A cornfield right off the street? So many dead bodies are never recovered they're so hidden well. Leaning toward not pre-planned, but planned through later, the 5 weeks where he sat on what he knew. 5 weeks time to come up with the best story possible, which is what we got. It was the best he could do.

I get it that men like him don't reason like we do (duh). I can't figure out if it was pre-planned or he snapped. Premeditation can occur in a second, yes, but maybe he literally thought ahead of time, yes, I can murder this woman and no one will ever find out. What fun. Then drives to find her.

 

[otto]

This looks like the motive : anger over rejection (real or imagined)

"In the past, he told her he split up from his ex-girlfriend, the mother of his daughter, because she cheated on him."

Friend of murdered Mollie Tibbetts reveals chilling texts with Cristhian Rivera, Mollie's killer | Daily Mail Online

Ted Bundy was rejected by a woman from a wealthy family that could have secured his political future, and he went on to murder many women who had the same look.

 

[MsBetsy]

Thank you, I was trying to copy and the site was acting up!

Yes, that's the one. I thought it was strange how she said she thought his answers were odd and he didn't want to talk about it, so she questioned him again and got the same reaction, yet she didn't suspect anything. The article is written in a way that suggests she thought his answers and demeanor was suspicious, yet later states she didn't think of it. That's what I found odd. It's also the only article that he is described as being volital. The rest say he is quiet and shy.

 

[rebel123]

I think LE missed a trick with the amount of CCTV it had received. It clearly received huge amounts in the first week; ploughing through it in a timely fashion proved difficult; might of caught them out. I think they had options.

 

[feralwriter]

I agree rejection is a trigger for many male-enacted homicides. But was rejection this one man's trigger with Mollie? How could he have not known that frightening her would not end well? Did he actually think she would hop in his car & say hey babe, let's drive thru Burger King together? I don't think so.

 

[The Farm]

Sixty & sunny, dull roar off I-80 in my part of the world. I've been puzzling over how & why this happened every night.

Who goes from normal guy to executioner in a few minute span? What was the trigger that he thought he was entitled to be Mollie's grim reaper, taking away her next 60 or so years?

The cons of the crime so outweigh the pros that I am actually starting to wonder if it didn't go down pretty much how he said (though I don't believe a word out of him). Had he just driven past her that day, he could have resumed his entire life. Stayed in the U.S., sent $ home, had opportunities. Huge stakes, versus stay off the radar. To get to one woman, for a 43 minute experience.

For him, how did the pros of the crime outweigh the negatives? All he had to do was not get in her space. He had to have known frightening her would not end well for either him or her. But he did it anyway. It's not mentally sound. It's not how people reason.

I know that I like to think there are always precipitating signs with men like him. Clear-cut stuff women can spot ahead of time, like tendency toward a short fuse. If it's true about his black/block outs, it was on him to take responsibility to fix that. But his chain of reasoning excluded that. That afternoon, he literally traded the rest of his life for hers. Why would any one woman be worth that to him?

I don't know, but there's something hinky about how it went down that I keep circling back to. Were this pre-planned, wouldn't he have placed her in a very concealed spot? I mean really? A cornfield right off the street? So many dead bodies are never recovered they're so hidden well. Leaning toward not pre-planned, but planned through later, the 5 weeks where he sat on what he knew. 5 weeks time to come up with the best story possible, which is what we got. It was the best he could do.

I get it that men like him don't reason like we do (duh). I can't figure out if it was pre-planned or he snapped. Premeditation can occur in a second, yes, but maybe he literally thought ahead of time, yes, I can murder this woman and no one will ever find out. What fun. Then drives to find her.

Look at all he had got away within the time he was here. He is Illiegal and he was doing pretty good huh?
So I see no reason that he would think he would get caught and that he would get away with this too. He had been getting away with living a lie for years!

 

[otto]

Sixty & sunny, dull roar off I-80 in my part of the world. I've been puzzling over how & why this happened every night.

Who goes from normal guy to executioner in a few minute span? What was the trigger that he thought he was entitled to be Mollie's grim reaper, taking away her next 60 or so years?

The cons of the crime so outweigh the pros that I am actually starting to wonder if it didn't go down pretty much how he said (though I don't believe a word out of him). Had he just driven past her that day, he could have resumed his entire life. Stayed in the U.S., sent $ home, had opportunities. Huge stakes, versus stay off the radar. To get to one woman, for a 43 minute experience.

For him, how did the pros of the crime outweigh the negatives? All he had to do was not get in her space. He had to have known frightening her would not end well for either him or her. But he did it anyway. It's not mentally sound. It's not how people reason.

I know that I like to think there are always precipitating signs with men like him. Clear-cut stuff women can spot ahead of time, like tendency toward a short fuse. If it's true about his black/block outs, it was on him to take responsibility to fix that. But his chain of reasoning excluded that. That afternoon, he literally traded the rest of his life for hers. Why would any one woman be worth that to him?

I don't know, but there's something hinky about how it went down that I keep circling back to. Were this pre-planned, wouldn't he have placed her in a very concealed spot? I mean really? A cornfield right off the street? So many dead bodies are never recovered they're so hidden well. Leaning toward not pre-planned, but planned through later, the 5 weeks where he sat on what he knew. 5 weeks time to come up with the best story possible, which is what we got. It was the best he could do.

I get it that men like him don't reason like we do (duh). I can't figure out if it was pre-planned or he snapped. Premeditation can occur in a second, yes, but maybe he literally thought ahead of time, yes, I can murder this woman and no one will ever find out. What fun. Then drives to find her.

That's an interesting question. I doubt that he pulled off a nearly perfect crime by chance, and do believe that he fantasized about the abduction before he acted. He could have changed his mind at any time, but he didn't, or perhaps he did change his mind in the past and this time he couldn't overcome his urges.

I've always wondered about the victim type. Mollie's features are very similar to those of his girlfriend. I think the nature of his relationship with his girlfriend may be at the core of the rage that he felt towards Mollie the day she was murdered.

 

[MsBetsy]

This looks like the motive : anger over rejection (real or imagined)

"In the past, he told her he split up from his ex-girlfriend, the mother of his daughter, because she cheated on him."

Friend of murdered Mollie Tibbetts reveals chilling texts with Cristhian Rivera, Mollie's killer | Daily Mail Online

Ted Bundy was rejected by a woman from a wealthy family that could have secured his political future, and he went on to murder many women who had the same look.

Its interesting that the main thing she says about him is that he is explosive, and has a temper. He may also have had intense anger over his relationship ending. She may have been his first love, as we have not heard from any other women who even dated him. The rejection may have had a huge effect on him. Jmo

 

[otto]

I agree rejection is a trigger for many male-enacted homicides. But was rejection this one man's trigger with Mollie? How could he have not known that frightening her would not end well? Did he actually think she would hop in his car & say hey babe, let's drive thru Burger King together? I don't think so.

Rivera lived in Iowa for 7-8 years, and should have known how to ask a girl on a date. His intent was never to ask Mollie on a date. His intent was to find an isolated part of her jogging route, run at her, grab her, and throw her in the trunk of his car.

 

[feralwriter]

That's an interesting question. I doubt that he pulled off a nearly perfect crime by chance, and do believe that he fantasized about the abduction before he acted. He could have changed his mind at any time, but he didn't, or perhaps he did change his mind in the past and this time he couldn't overcome his urges.

I've always wondered about the victim type. Mollie's features are very similar to those of his girlfriend. I think the nature of his relationship with his girlfriend may be at the core of the rage that he felt towards Mollie the day she was murdered.

Yeah, it could be as simple and twisted as that. This could have been a one-off.

 

[kpm]

That's an interesting question. I doubt that he pulled off a nearly perfect crime by chance, and do believe that he fantasized about the abduction before he acted. He could have changed his mind at any time, but he didn't, or perhaps he did change his mind in the past and this time he couldn't overcome his urges.

I've always wondered about the victim type. Mollie's features are very similar to those of his girlfriend. I think the nature of his relationship with his girlfriend may be at the core of the rage that he felt towards Mollie the day she was murdered.

I think he has anger towards all females

 

[feralwriter]

Rivera lived in Iowa for 7-8 years, and should have known how to ask a girl on a date. His intent was never to ask Mollie on a date. His intent was to find an isolated part of her jogging route, run at her, grab her, and throw her in the trunk of his car.

And so galling he actually thought he could get away with it. Were it not for the footage and smart LE, he very well could have.

 

[kpm]

Rivera lived in Iowa for 7-8 years, and should have known how to ask a girl on a date. His intent was never to ask Mollie on a date. His intent was to find an isolated part of her jogging route, run at her, grab her, and throw her in the trunk of his car.

IMO, he got off on making girls uncomfortable

 

[otto]

Its interesting that the main thing she says about him is that he is explosive, and has a temper. He may also have had intense anger over his relationship ending. She may have been his first love, as we have not heard from any other women who even dated him. The rejection may have had a huge effect on him. Jmo

I think it's possible that he saw the girlfriend as his ticket to permanent citizenship, and a life that was as comfortable as her life - whatever that is. When she left him, whether by cheating or not, his dreams of life as a US citizen crumbled. Maybe he spent years resenting his girlfriend, but he couldn't harm her because of the child, so he sought to harm young women who looked similar to his girlfriend and who seemed to be living the American Dream.

 

[otto]

Yeah, it could be as simple and twisted as that. This could have been a one-off.

I doubt this was a one-off. Either this was not his first assault, or it was the beginning of his method for dealing with his anger by assaulting women.

 

[otto]

And so galling he actually thought he could get away with it. Were it not for the footage and smart LE, he very well could have.

That's exactly what we have here. Had the CCTV footage from a bad angle that barely captured details of a black car not been reviewed over a period of a few days, Rivera would probably abduct and murder another young woman next time he felt rage.

 

[feralwriter]

I doubt this was a one-off. Either this was not his first assault, or it was the beginning of his method for dealing with his anger by assaulting women.

Right, by one-off I mean his first murder, at least his first murder he got called to the carpet for. He could kill someone in prison, but not on the street again. But who knows, perhaps he did other homicides. Will we ever get the real story from his ex? How he treated her? Doubtful.

 

[The Farm]

That's exactly what we have here. Had the CCTV footage from a bad angle that barely captured details of a black car not been reviewed over a period of a few days, Rivera would probably abduct and murder another young woman next time he felt rage.

What about those other female murders that have happened close to Brooklyn that someone posted a while back. Maybe LE is checking into those also because I do believe they were unsolved.
The video made this case, without it they would still be searching.

 

[feralwriter]

That's exactly what we have here. Had the CCTV footage from a bad angle that barely captured details of a black car not been reviewed over a period of a few days, Rivera would probably abduct and murder another young woman next time he felt rage.

It's seriously something out of a horror flick. Only it is real.

edit: I'd have to be pretty out of options to rent that movie. College student goes for run in tinsy Iowa cornfield town on a late July afternoon, crosses paths with man in a black quasi-sports car, goes missing while entire world looks for her over the course of five weeks. Even the President has things to say. I guess it'd depend on the director, but I'd pass. Almost reminds me of a Joyce Carol Oates story, if distantly.