Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #45

[CuriousCricket]

LE has nothing at all regarding any previous criminal activity; he's had previous encounters as stated by witnesses; but nothing criminal happened. I think it could be the first time.

In some ways, I think this may be CR's first murder, but not the first time he's gotten upset enough to "block out". IF first crime, then, IMO, CR was a time bomb. If not MT, it would have been someone else.

We'll have to wait and see if LE ties him to anything else.

 

[MsBetsy]

It's usually members of our own family that do us in. Of course they'll be suspected.

That's a scary thought. I'll have to keep guard next time I go to a family gathering! But true, intimate partner homicide is always suspected first, from what I understand. That's why they try to rule out family members first. I don't think it had anything to do with any other reason than that, that there was focus on the family in the beginning. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

In some ways, I think this may be CR's first murder, but not the first time he's gotten upset enough to "block out". IF first crime, then, IMO, CR was a time bomb. If not MT, it would have been someone else.

We'll have to wait and see if LE ties him to anything else.

He was described by at least one person as being explosive, which makes think his anger may have been like a time bomb... or at least that he had a lot of pent up anger that he didn't know how to express in a healthy way. Most of us don't hold things inside and then when we finally burst murder someone in a violent, bloody rage. That just doesn't sound "normal" to me. Jmo

 

[MyBelle]

Some people cannot accept that normal people with no criminal history whatsoever and living a relatively unremarkable existence can and do murder with no warning at all. It’s only going to make sense in their minds if they can tell themselves he must have been evil all along. I’m amazed at how such an imaginative backstory can be fabricated after the fact.

I have no clue to what crimes CR may have committed in Mexico or in the U.S. because he has been adept at flying below LE radar and it is by fluke he was caught in Mollie's murder. It is way too early in this case for me to conclude CR was "normal" up to the point of killing Mollie. I also don't believe anyone is born "evil."
JMO

 

[Jaclin]

Not true at all. Even if they somehow missed a body while picking it would be left totally exposed.

well, at least we know in this case that her clothing was there. I would like to think any bright pink might still be visible after a few months even if the organic material didn't quite contrast.

 

[MyBelle]

That's a scary thought. I'll have to keep guard next time I go to a family gathering! But true, intimate partner homicide is always suspected first, from what I understand. That's why they try to rule out family members first. I don't think it had anything to do with any other reason than that, that there was focus on the family in the beginning. Imo

ITA. Statistically, murders are far more likely committed by someone the victim knows. Which is why LE quickly ruled out the boyfriend and brothers in this case and they investigated those in the community with records of previous crimes. Even if Mollie was familiar with CR because they had seen other around their small community, her murder is still considered a "stranger" committed crime. JMO

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Violent Victimization Committed by Strangers, 1993-2010

 

[1987]

we may not know if there were any other violent crimes. we do know he has committed crimes. he was undocumented and he did use a fake name and social. that shows a willful disreguard for laws. moo

 

[Jaclin]

H. Betsy was a Cat 5 storm that hit NOLA in 1965. In the Lower 9th Ward (The same as destroyed by H. Katrina in 2005), 70+ people drowned, trapped in the attics of elevated 2 story Shotgun Double houses by rising flood water. Since then, a true native New Orleanian keeps an axe in the attic, just in case they will have to chop their way out of the attic to escape. Trust me, it's not a SK thing. But, my Sociopathic Stepson did put a chainsaw and a can of gas in his 2 story Townhome attic as his prep, as H. Katrina approached in 2005. Don't stay home without it!

If you live on or near the coast, North or South of the current projected "cone of error" for landfall of Hurricane Florence, keep your eye on the storm's plot for the next 3 days. If it turns your way, immediately head 150 miles inland. This killer of a storm deserves your respect and attention. This storm is likely to park itself and stall as it comes ashore, dumping Biblical feet of rainfall on the coast and further inland, perhaps for days! Leave NOW if in harm's way, if you possibly can!

I guess besides the ax one needs a motorboat in their attic?

 

[MyBelle]

we may not know if there were any other violent crimes. we do know he has committed crimes. he was undocumented and he did use a fake name and social. that shows a willful disreguard for laws. moo

Good point. Using a fraudulently obtained identity belonging to someone else is a serious federal crime and I think most "normal" people are not willing to cross that line. JMO

 

[Deleted member 718]

we may not know if there were any other violent crimes. we do know he has committed crimes. he was undocumented and he did use a fake name and social. that shows a willful disreguard for laws. moo

Along with 40,000 other undocumented immigrants in Iowa.


U.S. unauthorized immigration population estimates

Mollie Tibbetts' death put a spotlight on undocumented immigrants. But can Iowa's economy thrive without them?

 

[SteveP]

Good Morning World, and you too kpm. My prayers and best wishes are with the people living on the coast of the U.S. South and Mid-Atlantic states.

Please, if you are living on the coast, in the path of Hurricane Florence, please for your safety evacuate inland now.

I've been through both Hurricanes Betsy and Katrina in New Orleans, both Category 5 storms as this one is becoming. This is not a storm to disrespect!

God Bless you all, and good luck.

I am about 100 miles inland, but right in her path. I am as prepared as one can be, but if you don't see me here for a few days, I haven't abaandoned Mollie, I am likely without electricity.

 

[zencompass]

Dear SteveP,

You are in my thoughts and prayers.

Please let us know afterwards, your experience.

Namaste,
Zen

 

[Followfacts]

CR violently killed Mollie

“propensity toward violence most commonly occurs in individuals who have a prior history of violence, premeditated violence, paranoia, a strong impulse for revenge, drug and/or alcohol abuse, Antisocial Personality Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, the experience of repeated childhood sexual abuse and/or physical abuse, obsessional thinking, unresolved gender identity issues, sadomasochism, and conflicts about dominance/submission.”

CR murdered Mollie

Explaining identity means producing identity. This production endows the murderer with a framework for understanding him/herself, granting him or her a socially recognizable subjecthood. And yet this subjecthood is always threatened by the corrosive power of violence which "sets the perpetrator outside of society, not just morally but beyond our rational comprehension as well. Violence has become the domain of the other" (McGowen 140). If so, then the self of the violent murderer is the impossible and oxymoronic self of the Other whose intelligibility, even to him- or herself, is always fractured, incomplete, structured around some missing piece of the puzzle, some black hole of unreason that can never be articulated but only mutely pointed to.”
Written in Blood: Serial Killing and Narratives of Identity

Understanding Why???

 

[1987]

Along with 40,000 other undocumented immigrants in Iowa.


U.S. unauthorized immigration population estimates

Mollie Tibbetts' death put a spotlight on undocumented immigrants. But can Iowa's economy thrive without them?

does not matter how many more. it is still willfully breaking the law, for all that is doing it. using a id belonging to another person hurts that other person, or could at least. getting here takes some plotting and planning too, moo. does all that equal killer? no. it does equal only following the laws they pick and choose at best though.

 

[MsBetsy]

H. Betsy was a Cat 5 storm that hit NOLA in 1965. In the Lower 9th Ward (The same as destroyed by H. Katrina in 2005), 70+ people drowned, trapped in the attics of elevated 2 story Shotgun Double houses by rising flood water. Since then, a true native New Orleanian keeps an axe in the attic, just in case they will have to chop their way out of the attic to escape. Trust me, it's not a SK thing. But, my Sociopathic Stepson did put a chainsaw and a can of gas in his 2 story Townhome attic as his prep, as H. Katrina approached in 2005. Don't stay home without it!

If you live on or near the coast, North or South of the current projected "cone of error" for landfall of Hurricane Florence, keep your eye on the storm's plot for the next 3 days. If it turns your way, immediately head 150 miles inland. This killer of a storm deserves your respect and attention. This storm is likely to park itself and stall as it comes ashore, dumping Biblical feet of rainfall on the coast and further inland, perhaps for days! Leave NOW if in harm's way, if you possibly can!

Thanks. No wonder I hadn't heard of it, as it happened before I was born. Sounds terrible and scary. Maybe that's what I was named after!

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Will LE be present when the field where MT was found is harvested? Wondering if they will look for further clues?[/QUOTE

They might but judging from the cut outs and obvious paths within the field they did search, my thoughts is they have everything that’s there. They also probably were respectful enough to damage the least corn possible by walking between the narrow rows. They spent more than a day at the recovery site and had a large experiences site search crew.


By the 3rd week of August that corn is strong thick and has a very robust canopy. One would do better searching on hands and knees which is possibly what they did.

 

[Al Hoffman]

I guess besides the ax one needs a motorboat in their attic?

I always wanted to see a regular lifeboat, mounted on davits (like on a ship) on the side of a 2nd story or higher building! Generally, most people just want to get onto the roof for rescue, like after Katrina. But yeah, a raft would be a good idea, but the heat up there would destroy anything plastic or rubber.

After Katrina, there were boats high and dry in the oddest places where people had evacuated with whatever they could get their hand on to get to high ground.

 

[MistyWaters]

does not matter how many more. it is still willfully breaking the law, for all that is doing it. using a id belonging to another person hurts that other person, or could at least. getting here takes some plotting and planning too, moo. does all that equal killer? no. it does equal only following the laws they pick and choose at best though.

At 16 years of age I’m not so sure CR was the one doing the plotting and planning. I’m not defending him but 16 year olds don’t often choose to move to another country to become an unskilled labourer given an alternative option of enjoying the comforts of their own home during their carefree high school years.

 

[MsBetsy]

does not matter how many more. it is still willfully breaking the law, for all that is doing it. using a id belonging to another person hurts that other person, or could at least. getting here takes some plotting and planning too, moo. does all that equal killer? no. it does equal only following the laws they pick and choose at best though.

Right, it points to total disregard for the law as well as deceitfulness. The way he lived showed his disregard for his employer as well. Apparently he didn't consider how much trouble they could get in because of his actions. His killing Mollie and lying about it was the ultimate form of disrespect for human life.

 

[MsBetsy]

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At 16 years of age I’m not so sure CR was the one doing the plotting and planning. I’m not defending him but 16 year olds don’t often choose to move to another country to become an unskilled labourer given an alternative option of enjoying the comforts of their own home during their carefree high school years.

True but he had 8 years to do something about it. He didn't have trouble, apparently, with living a lie for so long.