Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #45

[Deleted member 718]

does not matter how many more. it is still willfully breaking the law, for all that is doing it. using a id belonging to another person hurts that other person, or could at least. getting here takes some plotting and planning too, moo. does all that equal killer? no. it does equal only following the laws they pick and choose at best though.

CR committed a horrendous crime when he murdered Mollie. As to his entering the US illegally, it's a misdemeanor crime.

"The illegal entry of non-nationals into the United States is a misdemeanor according to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which prohibits non-nationals from entering or attempting to enter the United States at any time or place which has not been designated by an immigration officer, and also prohibits non-nationals from eluding inspection by immigration officers."

Illegal entry - Wikipedia

 

[Al Hoffman]

I am about 100 miles inland, but right in her path. I am as prepared as one can be, but if you don't see me here for a few days, I haven't abaandoned Mollie, I am likely without electricity.

God bless you SP, 100 miles inland is a good ways. I was repeating the info given out to the public, as I've never lived in the area.
This storm is going to drop a lot of rain, but may head a bit more West and South before landfall! All the best, stay dry. Got an axe in the attic?

 

[1987]

Along with 40,000 other undocumented immigrants in Iowa.


U.S. unauthorized immigration population estimates

Mollie Tibbetts' death put a spotlight on undocumented immigrants. But can Iowa's economy thrive without them?

I also understand the jobs they fill need to be filled by someone. my issue is once CR decided he could decide what laws he chose to follow and justified the ones he was not following did any laws matter at all, to some their moral compass would be enough to keep them from murder, to some not so much. moo.

 

[1987]

At 16 years of age I’m not so sure CR was the one doing the plotting and planning. I’m not defending him but 16 year olds don’t often choose to move to another country to become an unskilled labourer given an alternative option of enjoying the comforts of their own home during their carefree high school years.

at 16 he may not have been the one plotting and planning. certainly he was aware of it though and may have learned how to plot and plan and the importance of doing it carefully. it just makes me think he certainly would know how to make and follow a plan if he chose to when he took and killed MT. moo

 

[dlharris2712]

I have been reading through the opinions of CR having mental issues; being a Serial Killer; having committed other crimes, etc...my two cents of what transpired = he had seen MT previously (jogging or in town); he drove out that night to try to find her; found her; got out of his car and started talking to her; she threatened him with the police; he hit her and/or knocked her to the ground and put her in the trunk (blood on head in trunk); drove to the cornfield with plans to se*ually assault her; she fought back (hard); while straddling her body; he stabbed her (repeatedly) with a screwdriver. There was no block out, no ear bud, no plan on where to dump her body, etc. His main objective that night was s*xual assault - and when she fought back - he killed her. No underlying reasons, mental issues, etc. Almost seems too simple to wrap my head around. Also - just my opinion.

 

[KaaBoom]

Some people cannot accept that normal people with no criminal history whatsoever and living a relatively unremarkable existence can and do murder with no warning at all. It’s only going to make sense in their minds if they can tell themselves he must have been evil all along. I’m amazed at how such an imaginative backstory can be fabricated after the fact.

I agree 100%. Plus it ignores that every criminal has to start someplace. So there has to be a first time. Many people start committing crimes later in life. Others commit crimes and then stop. Most of this type of violent crime is the result of mental illnesses that can get better, or can get worse.

 

[MsBetsy]

I am about 100 miles inland, but right in her path. I am as prepared as one can be, but if you don't see me here for a few days, I haven't abaandoned Mollie, I am likely without electricity.

I'm about 2 hours from the Jersey shore and 100 miles from Jones Beach. All I've heard is that we are getting rain and wind. Maybe I should check the path too.

 

[MsBetsy]

I have been reading through the opinions of CR having mental issues; being a Serial Killer; having committed other crimes, etc...my two cents of what transpired = he had seen MT previously (jogging or in town); he drove out that night to try to find her; found her; got out of his car and started talking to her; she threatened him with the police; he hit her and/or knocked her to the ground and put her in the trunk (blood on head in trunk); drove to the cornfield with plans to se*ually assault her; she fought back (hard); while straddling her body; he stabbed her (repeatedly) with a screwdriver. There was no block out, no ear bud, no plan on where to dump her body, etc. His main objective that night was s*xual assault - and when she fought back - he killed her. No underlying reasons, mental issues, etc. Almost seems too simple to wrap my head around. Also - just my opinion.

So if we were to say Rivera is just a "normal" guy who got upset because he wanted to have sex and was rejected, than apparently the act of murdering someone with a screwdriver, hatchet, or knife repeatedly is a normal act?

 

[1987]

So if we were to say Rivera is just a "normal" guy who got upset because he wanted to have sex and was rejected, than apparently the act of murdering someone with a screwdriver, hatchet, or knife repeatedly is a normal act?

I do not think it is normal, but it could be simple without him being normal. moo.

this is more of the things I can see from many different ways. we just don't have enough information for me to solidly decide. I think I know what I think then someone says something that makes me look at it differently and I can agree then I read something else and I can also agree with that.

 

[dlharris2712]

So if we were to say Rivera is just a "normal" guy who got upset because he wanted to have sex and was rejected, than apparently the act of murdering someone with a screwdriver, hatchet, or knife repeatedly is a normal act?

I didn't state in my post he was "normal"...nor that this was a normal act; but rather someone who wanted to simply abduct for the sake of wanting to assault (and killed her in a rage because she fought back). No mental issue excuses, etc. are needed for him to have done this. We had a case here in Northern CA where a young man s*xually assaulted and killed an elderly woman and beat up her walking partner while they walked the track of the local high school for exercise. No underlying reason other than he wanted to assault and killed someone because she fought back. My point is more leaning towards people do things, that sometimes don't make sense (at least for people who don't have the desire to assault and kill). JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

at 16 he may not have been the one plotting and planning. certainly he was aware of it though and may have learned how to plot and plan and the importance of doing it carefully. it just makes me think he certainly would know how to make and follow a plan if he chose to when he took and killed MT. moo

One thing that contradicts the portrayal of a young person who gravitates towards a life of crime, murder and mayhem is his 4 years working for the farm. Is Iowa without gangs who are involved in the illegal drug trade and other illegal activities? I don’t know but if not, for a person totally lacking morals, that lifestyle ought to be preferable to milking cows day in and day out.

I think that it’s just not possible to accurately stereotype CR due to the fact we have virtually no facts at hand, other than his confessed involvement in murdering Mollie.

 

[Al Hoffman]

I'm about 2 hours from the Jersey shore and 100 miles from Jones Beach. All I've heard is that we are getting rain and wind. Maybe I should check the path too.

You're right Ms. B, definitely keep an eye on the plot. The National News (CBS and NBC) seem to be doing a competent job. The good news for you is that a "Bermuda" High Pressure system offshore from your location is keeping the Storm to the South, with a Low Pressure area in the Gulf of Mexico maybe steering it more to the South. Hurricanes tend to move away from high pressure areas and toward low pressure systems
The lower the air pressure, the stronger the storm. However, the current plots show that areas as far North as Washington could be affected. This could change as time passes, so keep a prudent eye on it, but you are likely OK. Yeah, hopefully tolerable rain and wind. All the best, stay dry!

 

[1987]

One thing that contradicts the portrayal of a young person who gravitates towards a life of crime, murder and mayhem is his 4 years working for the farm. Is Iowa without gangs who are involved in the illegal drug trade and other illegal activities? I don’t know but if not, for a person totally lacking morals, that lifestyle ought to be preferable to milking cows day in and day out.

I think that it’s just not possible to accurately stereotype CR due to the fact we have virtually no facts at hand, other than his confessed involvement in murdering Mollie.

we don't know. he could have worked and done other things on the side. all we know is if he did we don't know about it.

 

[MsBetsy]

I didn't state in my post he was "normal"...nor that this was a normal act; but rather someone who wanted to simply abduct for the sake of wanting to assault (and killed her in a rage because she fought back). No mental issue excuses, etc. are needed for him to have done this. We had a case here in Northern CA where a young man s*xually assaulted and killed an elderly woman and beat up her walking partner while they walked the track of the local high school for exercise. No underlying reason other than he wanted to assault and killed someone because she fought back. My point is more leaning towards people do things, that sometimes don't make sense (at least for people who don't have the desire to assault and kill). JMO

I'm sure you aren't suggesting it was a normal act, I'm just putting the question out there as continuation of the concept that this was just a regular guy who suddenly turned to extreme violence. I wasn't addressing you specifically, it was a continuation of an earlier conversation. I have trouble with the word " normal" because I believe there is such a fine line between what is considered normal or not. I actually posed the question to see how others view it. Certainly normal people do abnormal things, but usually we here of a person with anger issues as lashing out at others, or other "acting out" behavior such as fighting, but we don't usually hear of those people killing someone. At least not in such a determined, violent fashion. I was just curious what others felt.

 

[Kaylas]

I am in Virginia; my sister’s family lives in VA Beach. They were issued emergency evacuation orders and will come stay with me.

 

[SteveP]

I am in Virginia; my sister’s family lives in VA Beach. They were issued emergency evacuation orders and will come stay with me.

Stay safe...

 

[MsBetsy]

You're right Ms. B, definitely keep an eye on the plot. The National News (CBS and NBC) seem to be doing a competent job. The good news for you is that a "Bermuda" High Pressure system offshore from your location is keeping the Storm to the South, with a Low Pressure area in the Gulf of Mexico maybe steering it more to the South. Hurricanes tend to move away from high pressure areas and toward low pressure systems
The lower the air pressure, the stronger the storm. However, the current plots show that areas as far North as Washington could be affected. This could change as time passes, so keep a prudent eye on it, but you are likely OK. Yeah, hopefully tolerable rain and wind. All the best, stay dry!

Thank you, I will. A few years ago we had a big storm with very strong winds. We got all the yoga mats and blankets and pillows and camped out in the living room. My house is surrounded by trees, mostly pine trees that are very close to the house. The main room is all windows on two sides. It was kind of cool, but scary, to watch all the trees swaying and bending so much. I never thought they could move like that without snapping! Scary.

 

[MistyWaters]

we don't know. he could have worked and done other things on the side. all we know is if he did we don't know about it.

True. What we don’t know about CR is reminding me of what we didn’t know earlier regarding the disappearance of Mollie.

 

[MyBelle]

I am about 100 miles inland, but right in her path. I am as prepared as one can be, but if you don't see me here for a few days, I haven't abaandoned Mollie, I am likely without electricity.

Please stay safe and return when you can.

 

[Jeng1810]

We won’t have a lot of information for awhile. And that IMO really sucks when we have gotten to know someone as we have Mollie. It rains a lot, a lot here in Florida, and every time the thunder rolls in and the rain falls, as a mom I can’t help but to think of her out there all alone on that corn field while others are hoping she is alive somewhere. I just really need to move on to other cases as I, like @SharonNeedles said have all I need to know here. I will watch the case through the media and watch from there.