Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #45

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Cow husbandry refers to ensuring health, welfare and care of cattle. Movement suggests rounding up dairy cattle at twice daily milking time.

It's a breeding program for dairy cows. Heifers have to have a calf before they can produce milk. A pregnancy lasts nine months. A bull is brought to visit the heifers, or they are artificial inseminated. And then they need to be bred each year to keep producing milk. So, there's a lot of moving cows to different pastures depending if they are breeding, pregnant, birthing or weaning. It's a lot of work.

Are Dairy Cows Constantly Pregnant? | The Farmer's Wifee
 
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It's a breeding program for dairy cows. Heifers have to have a calf before they can produce milk. A pregnancy lasts nine months. A bull is brought to visit the heifers, or they are artificial inseminated. And then they need to be bred each year to keep producing milk. So, there's a lot of moving cows to different pastures depending if they are breeding, pregnant, birthing or weaning. It's a lot of work.

Are Dairy Cows Constantly Pregnant? | The Farmer's Wifee
Thanks, I thought it must have something to do with breeding... sounds like the cows are pretty busy too, especially the bulls.
 
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It's a breeding program for dairy cows. Heifers have to have a calf before they can produce milk. A pregnancy lasts nine months. A bull is brought to visit the heifers, or they are artificial inseminated. And then they need to be bred each year to keep producing milk. So, there's a lot of moving cows to different pastures depending if they are breeding, pregnant, birthing or weaning. It's a lot of work.

Are Dairy Cows Constantly Pregnant? | The Farmer's Wifee

Yes most cattle farms are involved in breeding programs and their owners also take great pride in the side benefit of showmanship.

But my understanding is the primary focus of Yarrabee Farms is a dairy operation, I suppose mainly because it’s been mentioned on this thread ever since CR was arrested.

As cows do not milk themselves, employees are required to “tend dairy cows”. But I don’t know, you could certainly be right.
 
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It's a breeding program for dairy cows. Heifers have to have a calf before they can produce milk. A pregnancy lasts nine months. A bull is brought to visit the heifers, or they are artificial inseminated. And then they need to be bred each year to keep producing milk. So, there's a lot of moving cows to different pastures depending if they are breeding, pregnant, birthing or weaning. It's a lot of work.

Are Dairy Cows Constantly Pregnant? | The Farmer's Wifee

I do notice several dozens of media articles all referring to Yarrabee Farms as a “dairy farm”. To me that suggests their primary focus is the production of milk, as opposed to what’s often referred to as a livestock breeder.

Someone who “tends dairy cows” is a dairy hand who assists in the production of that milk is how I’d interpret it.
 
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I do notice several dozens of media articles all referring to Yarrabee Farms as a “dairy farm”. To me that suggests their primary focus is the production of milk, as opposed to what’s often referred to as a livestock breeder.

Someone who “tends dairy cows” is a dairy hand who assists in the production of that milk is how I’d interpret it.

the way I understand it is they are a milk farm, but to keep being a milk farm they must also be breeding or they wouldn't have any cows with milk to milk.
 
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I’m really starting to agree with LE’s statement (paraphrasing) “who escalates to abduction, kidnapping, murder?”

IMO, we’re talking about an annoying dude who works hard, likes to look good, and has Facebook page full of cars, music and women? Never mind his immigrations status and his uncle he works with.

He has lots of very attractive Facebook friends. There has to be some that may fall for his ‘charm’ and have ‘relations’ with him. But instead, he says f-it. I’m going to say bye to my uncle when work ends, and go stalk a girl to have a violent (sexual?)encounter with. And I’m so deluded, I don’t think she’ll fight back, because it’s not like she’s athletic or known as a strong, independent girl that the whole town will be looking for. And I’ve never done this before but I’ll start with the ‘popular girl’ of Brooklyn. (If he looked at mollies FB page, he had to had some idea of who she was).
It’s just a weird scenario.

JMO, IMO, MOO
 
  • #265
Typically “unskilled” refers to a job that doesn’t require any specific educational training as a prerequisite. What you’re referring to is on the job training.
No, I'm not. An example of an unskilled job is picking strawberries.

Technical skills are required for working with sophisticated equipment and also maintaining that equipment. CR worked for the Dairy. Prisons in some states have dairies so inmates can get the technical training they need to be employed after prison. Our state prison has a welding program.
 
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Yes most cattle farms are involved in breeding programs and their owners also take great pride in the side benefit of showmanship.

But my understanding is the primary focus of Yarrabee Farms is a dairy operation, I suppose mainly because it’s been mentioned on this thread ever since CR was arrested.

As cows do not milk themselves, employees are required to “tend dairy cows”. But I don’t know, you could certainly be right.
I grew up on a dairy farm, and the farmer kept the pregnant girls in our fields, but before they had their calves and were ready for milking. Once they gave birth, they were moved to another field so they could be milked. The farm hands assisted in rounding them up and the cows seemed to know right where they were supposed to go to be milked. The milking machines did the work. The calves were used to make veal. Poor babies. I always felt so bad for them. That's how it was years ago here in N.Y. Don't know if that's how it is on the farm Rivera worked at.
 
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I do notice several dozens of media articles all referring to Yarrabee Farms as a “dairy farm”. To me that suggests their primary focus is the production of milk, as opposed to what’s often referred to as a livestock breeder.

Someone who “tends dairy cows” is a dairy hand who assists in the production of that milk is how I’d interpret it.
The cows have to be hooked and unhooked from milking machines twice a day.
 
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No, I'm not. An example of an unskilled job is picking strawberries.

Technical skills are required for working with sophisticated equipment and also maintaining that equipment. CR worked for the Dairy. Prisons in some states have dairies so inmates can get the technical training they need to be employed after prison. Our state prison has a welding program.
On the farm I grew up on, and what I still consider home today even though I don't live there anymore, there was no technical training required. The milk machines do the work and after the milking is done you can go right into the milk room and get fresh milk out of the machine. Then the milk truck comes and gets the milk. The equipment isn't that sophisticated that there is anything that complicated one would need training for, at least that I ever noticed. There may be more efficient machines for all I know, but I wouldn't call them sophisticated, although it is pretty cool to see all the parts working. It's a little noisy too. The main work I've seen the farm hands do is moving them in and out of the barn, and making sure they go in their stall, and hooking up the machines. But there is no training necessary. Except of course, by the main man, farmer Johnson, as I call him. On our farm, anyway.
 
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No, I'm not. An example of an unskilled job is picking strawberries.

Technical skills are required for working with sophisticated equipment and also maintaining that equipment. CR worked for the Dairy. Prisons in some states have dairies so inmates can get the technical training they need to be employed after prison. Our state prison has a welding program.
Some farmers do go to agricultural school, but it's not required. Rivera likely had no other training than what he learned from his dad or from his employer. Usually the people who go to college that I know, are ones who decide they want to go into farming but know little about it. But a lot of farms have been in the family for generations so the learning takes place on the job.
 
  • #270
The cows have to be hooked and unhooked from milking machines twice a day.
Also I should add that since Yarrabee Farms is much bigger, I would think that the time it takes herding the cows in and out of the barn twice a day probably takes the most time, and then there are always stubborn or unruly cows to deal with. Then there's feeding them and cleaning up the poop. They don't always go where they are supposed to!
 
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Some farmers do go to agricultural school, but it's not required. Rivera likely had no other training than what he learned from his dad or from his employer. Usually the people who go to college that I know, are ones who decide they want to go into farming but know little about it. But a lot of farms have been in the family for generations so the learning takes place on the job.
Those people I've known who got degrees in agriculture (some were raised on farms) went to learn farm management, best methods of crop rotation, information about hybrids, general information about new methods and machinery available, and other things they could learn from experience, but would learn faster in school. Many didn't bother getting degrees, they just took the classes that had the information they were seeking. Most of the farmers I know, and I know quite a few, have never gone to school or just gone to learn how to take care of the paperwork involved.
 
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Hi Everyone,

We will open up Mollie's thread in the morning before 7:30 AM Mountain.

Thank you,
Tricia
 
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Good Morning! Running out now but will be back!
 
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I grew up on a dairy farm, and the farmer kept the pregnant girls in our fields, but before they had their calves and were ready for milking. Once they gave birth, they were moved to another field so they could be milked. The farm hands assisted in rounding them up and the cows seemed to know right where they were supposed to go to be milked. The milking machines did the work. The calves were used to make veal. Poor babies. I always felt so bad for them. That's how it was years ago here in N.Y. Don't know if that's how it is on the farm Rivera worked at.

Yes I’d presume that’s how it goes with all dairy farms. This was not a small operation. In milking the cows, they’d be herded into a barn and hooked up to milking equipment. It’s a labour intensive job.

“The farm has said that at least a couple of its roughly dozen employees left the area following Rivera’s arrest, which sent fear through the immigrant community. The dairy, which has about 800 cows and is owned by a prominent family with Republican Party ties, says it received dozens of angry phone calls and some death threats.
Agents visit dairy farm that employed Iowa slaying suspect
 
  • #276
Yes I’d presume that’s how it goes with all dairy farms. This was not a small operation. In milking the cows, they’d be herded into a barn and hooked up to milking equipment. It’s a labour intensive job.

“The farm has said that at least a couple of its roughly dozen employees left the area following Rivera’s arrest, which sent fear through the immigrant community. The dairy, which has about 800 cows and is owned by a prominent family with Republican Party ties, says it received dozens of angry phone calls and some death threats.
Agents visit dairy farm that employed Iowa slaying suspect
Yeah, with that many cows I would think they would be milking all day, rounding up groups at a time.
 
  • #277
Those people I've known who got degrees in agriculture (some were raised on farms) went to learn farm management, best methods of crop rotation, information about hybrids, general information about new methods and machinery available, and other things they could learn from experience, but would learn faster in school. Many didn't bother getting degrees, they just took the classes that had the information they were seeking. Most of the farmers I know, and I know quite a few, have never gone to school or just gone to learn how to take care of the paperwork involved.

Yes the old style family farm with mixed operations is disappearing.

Farm management programs relating to production are quite fascinating and involve the analysis of detailed data, logs and records to sustain and improve yields. It resembles that of an industrialized manufacturing plant except that animals are the raw material. The farm hands are equivalent to assembly line workers. As a result it’s opened up jobs for farm labourers not only in Iowa but everywhere.
 
  • #278
Thanks farm person! Stay warm

Yeah, that is always a possibility. And after the snow falls, ain't nobody seeing nothing. Maybe a hunter and his dog in the fall. Is there any bird shooting in the spring before planting, after winter ground heave? Maybe at planting season, post winter ground heave? I'm just throwing stuff out here, but there is a chance that the body may have never been found, or not for a long time. Dogs will bring the damndest things home...

Spring hunting in Minnesota is early goose and turkey.
 
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I do notice several dozens of media articles all referring to Yarrabee Farms as a “dairy farm”. To me that suggests their primary focus is the production of milk, as opposed to what’s often referred to as a livestock breeder.

Someone who “tends dairy cows” is a dairy hand who assists in the production of that milk is how I’d interpret it.

Yup. If you have herds of milk producers you’re considered Dairy. But let me explain. Farmers often insulate themselves from disaster. Crop failure, milk borne infections drought, etc. there are a thousand things a farmer knows to well that can go wrong. Many diversify and if they have accumulated land every acre possible is planted. Many utilize government programs to help pay either to grow or not grow certain crops.

Farming is and over decades has become a complicated business for the educated. Not only formal education but historic education which is handed down generation to generation.

At age 10 I drive my ailing grandfather around vast farmland in Michigan to observe fields of crops. If we saw another farmer out working we often stopped to talk even more crops.

I remember some stories and I learned to appreciate them as lessons. Some days some visits became an invitation for lunch and stories morphed into humor. I learned pretty fast I was a young sister in a historical brotherhood of people who learned by doing. And everyone had their stories of mistakes. While I never broke anything that we couldn’t fix, many did worse flipping tractors and even cracking connections between the head and the power train on a harvester ( I know it to be a Combine). My mistakes, while time consuming were in the realm of normal. However I certainly observed some of the worst when farmers died with their beloved equipment.

My guess is CR, after a year with Yarrabee was entrusted to tending crops as well. If I remember correctly he stated he was familiar with the land he placed Mollies remains. He very well could have worked the ground he placed her on and knew full well her body would be difficult to find. He might have know what rain would do to and evidence of the car or the dragmarks left as evidence getting her into and under the protective canopy of mid July growth. There would be nothing to detect after the hard rain the night he hid her body.

The odor would not begin for days, and little probability of a visit by anyone. After the old addage of “thigh high by the 4th of July”, corn. Fields are left alone. Tenders stay close to home, a welcome break and catch up on things that have to be fixed and maintained. It’s a time when plants grow, the dirt giving its most precious nutrients to produce the grain or feed needed to feed our nation or parts of our world.

And CR knew the corn hides secrets. Shoes, shirts and even condoms from parties past were in the fields. And he chose the perfect place to hide her. Covered by thick corn reaching for the bright Iowa sun. And there her physical remains would stay until harvest. It was part of his plan. Well thought out he didn’t consider being caught, or questioned by anyone.

Hiding in plain sight he had played dumb and well. In August 18, driving into Brooklyn to buy pizza, CR felt a high like never before.

After living in the USA for 7 years, foiling everyone, especially his employer, CR had fooled local cops, the bigger FBI and the other Federalies. Hiding in plain site for more than a month, he had committed the perfect crime.

He had driven past his hiding spot more times than he could remember to see if it had been disturbed. And thought it curious then funny the pig farmer had almost been arrested. CR hadn’t planned on him. But it was a good distraction. The red shirt tossed out a riders side window was his last minute afterthought to mislead searchers. He found it in the laundry at the ramshackle house Yarabee “gave” the poorly paid worker a place to sleep. Investigators didn’t react as he’d hoped. Instead of confusing the search and incriminating Mr. pig farmer, they had quickly dismissed it as having been exactly what it was, planted.

As he neared the store, he was feeling pretty smug. CBR had fooled them all, and felt darn smart. Until the car passed and stopped directly in front of him. As he looked in his rear view mirror lights flashed and in one last moment his freedom was gone as he heard the unbelievable “ Stop the vehicle and place both hands out the window where they can be seen.”.
 
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O/T I don't want to alarm the farming community; but they are actually growing meat in a test tube; they see that as the way ahead; food demand can't keep up with population growth. Just not sustainable.
 
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