ID - 2 year boy accidentally shoots and kills mother in walmart in ths US

[CoolJ]

Safety is a feeling and I feel safe.

No doubt!

 

[TrackerSam]

How could I possibly know? Because of the minimal amount of handguns that are available. Of course there are some, but there is so little that I have never seen one in my life.
Stay out of the way from the bad guys and things tend to be pretty peaceful.

Not sure what your statistics quoted in this post are supposed to tell me, other than to show the relatively minuscule numbers of shootings in this country.

You said " Nobody is walking around with a loaded weapon in their pocket where I live, law abiding or not." Now you admit that "Of course there are some". So did you lie or just misleading?
The stats show that 2/3s of the murders were committed with handguns.
If Canadian laws are so much superior to U.S. law there shouldn't be any or could it be that laws don't prevent crime?

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

I'll be labeled 'insane' again but say this.
This is the same issue that came up in another thread.
Can we let the small, violent minority rule peaceful law-abiding majority. Should we really impose strict gun laws like the ones in Europe or Australia, because a few people commit terrible crimes with guns.

No no and no.

I believe free men and women should be able to own guns if they want to. Nor should Americans worry what liberals in Europe or Australia have to say about gun laws in America.
America in many ways is a unique country and I don't think they get it.


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BBM
If Europeans or Australians (I’m not going to say “liberals” in Europe or Australia because I don’t want to presume to know anyone’s political stance unless I’m told by the individual what they consider their stance to be) want to weigh in on gun laws in America, I say great, give it a go.

True, America in many ways is a unique country, but each country is a unique country in many ways, no? If we Americans are exceptional to the point that outside input becomes irrelevant and unwelcome, we may be missing out.

Granted, being “from” a place (town, county, country) conveys a depth of understanding about the in’s and out’s of the place and it’s ethos that simply can’t be acquired in any other way. However, observations made from afar can still hold value, in my view.

I think we Americans do a pretty good job of communicating our various orientations with regard to firearms---and our history and traditions and our second amendment are understood beyond our borders. IMO whatever there is to “get” about us when it comes to guns can be mostly “gotten” without a lot of muss and fuss….at least “gotten” to the point that ideas, perspective, examples, and measures mentioned by thoughtful “outsiders” can be worthy of our examination and open-minded consideration.

I immensely appreciate each person who is contributing to this thread from outside U.S. borders.

 

[al66pine]

I guarantee you can't. Because I am not worried. Nobody is walking around with a loaded weapon in their pocket where I live, law abiding or not...

bbm sbm

And from earlier CoolJ post:
".... the minimal amount of handguns.... Of course there are some, but there is so little that I have never seen one in my life." bbm sbm

Is it poss in your country or your area specifically there are weapons/guns in pockets, and you have never seen a gun, legal or illegal,
because you have no training in detecting CCW signs (e.g.,the way guns can 'print' or create shadows or bulges on carrier's clothing) or
because you have not been looking for those CCW signs.
Or both?

Maybe if some (normally CCW'ing) posters or LE here would walk w you around your neighborhood, workplace, stores, etc.
they could point out to you some guns in pockets.
But IDK if they could detect whether gun is loaded.
JM2cts.

 

[CoolJ]

bbm sbm

And from earlier CoolJ post:
".... the minimal amount of handguns.... Of course there are some, but there is so little that I have never seen one in my life." bbm sbm

Is it poss in your country or your area specifically there are weapons/guns in pockets, and you have never seen a gun, legal or illegal,
because you have no training in detecting CCW signs (e.g.,the way guns can 'print' or create shadows or bulges on carrier's clothing) or
because you have not been looking for those CCW signs.
Or both?

Maybe if some (normally CCW'ing) posters or LE here would walk w you around your neighborhood, workplace, stores, etc.
they could point out to you some guns in pockets.
But IDK if they could detect whether gun is loaded.
JM2cts.

Maybe they could. But I really doubt it, just simply because of the low numbers available. Handguns are just hard to come by here. When I say Nobody I mean I don't actually mean zero. It is a figure of speech. Obviously we all know there are some, but it is just not a part of life here at all.

 

[sonjay]

Maybe they could. But I really doubt it, just simply because of the low numbers available. Handguns are just hard to come by here. When I say Nobody I mean I don't actually mean zero. It is a figure of speech. Obviously we all know there are some, but it is just not a part of life here at all.

2/3 of murders in Canada are committed by handguns, but nobody there has one and they're hard to come by.

Because nobody doesn't actually mean zero.

But an unintentional firearm injury rate of 0.16% (if I recall that number correctly) is an unacceptable risk.

I feel like Alice in Wonderland. Numbers mean whatever you want them to mean.

Nobody gets killed by guns where I live. Nobody commits any crimes, ever. And everybody owns a gun.

 

[Caffeine]

some things I think we do better:
Notably
1) gun control
2) health care
3) ice hockey

The beer isn't bad either! :thumbup:

However plenty of good people may find themselves being threatened by a gunman. If minding your business and only knowing upstanding people was all it took, we'd have virtually no gun violence here.

Decent people still end up being robbed at work, home, traveling. Not to mention abductions, carjackings. Sometimes people are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Nothing wrong with being prepared for that.

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[Deleted member 39678]

The beer isn't bad either! :thumbup:

However plenty of good people may find themselves being threatened by a gunman. If minding your business and only knowing upstanding people was all it took, we'd have virtually no gun violence here.

Decent people still end up being robbed at work, home, traveling. Not to mention abductions, carjackings. Sometimes people are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Nothing wrong with being prepared for that.

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You make some good points. Innocent people are assaulted in America every day while they go about living their lives. In my opinion all Americans should be allowed to defend themselves from thugs wishing to harm them.

The Second Amendment proclaims that all Americans have the right to "keep and bear arms" to defend themselves. Some may not like this right that is afforded to Americans. Why I'm not sure.

I have no problem with certain Americans forfeiting their Constitutional right to have a gun. Being a convicted felon is one reason. If it's found that a person is not mentally capable of knowing right from wrong then they should also be prohibited from having a gun.

I think that the positive results of having an armed citizenry in a democracy like the United States outweighs the negative.

JMO

 

[sonjay]

Of course there are. But like I said, stay away from the bad guys, stay out of trouble and the likelihood of running into trouble is minuscule. Law of Attraction. That's been my experience anyway.

So, there are home invasions, and there are innocent people mugged, and there are armed robberies of stores where people shop. And the solution is to stay away from the bad guys.

Home isn't "away from the bad guys" because there are home invasions.
The street isn't "away from the bad guys" because there are street muggings.
Stores aren't "away from the bad guys" because there are armed robberies of stores.

Can you define "away from the bad guys" please?

I easily stay away from the bad guys right here, in my gun-crazy county in gun-crazy Florida, where nearly everyone has a gun. Because guess what? It's not the guns that cause crime. If more guns = more crime, my county would be worse than Chicago.

I will "stay away from the bad guys" by continuing to live in my gun-crazy county filled with peaceful, law-abiding citizens with guns. It's a lot safer than any of the Canadian provinces.

 

[sonjay]

Again, I am not condemning you for owning or loving guns. I am not condemning America, just pointing out there some things I think we do better:
Notably
1) gun control
2) health care
3) ice hockey

I read that 75% of all violent crime in Canada is hockey-related. Maybe you need hockey control.

Just sayin'

 

[Jackalyn]

Anyone who wants to do something bad with a gun is going to know or be able to find out how to get one. That would be true of any country. What we do have less of is people accidentally shooting people with a gun at whatever age the person holding the gun happens to be and generally, I can be sure if my child goes to play with another family an accidental shooting is the least likely thing to happen. We might still have some gun crime but at least the guns are generally in the hands of criminals. I feel a lot safer here than I did during a visit to the US or actually any other country I ever visited.

 

[sonjay]

Anyone who wants to do something bad with a gun is going to know or be able to find out how to get one. That would be true of any country. What we do have less of is people accidentally shooting people with a gun at whatever age the person holding the gun happens to be and generally, I can be sure if my child goes to play with another family an accidental shooting is the least likely thing to happen. We might still have some gun crime but at least the guns are generally in the hands of criminals. I feel a lot safer here than I did during a visit to the US or actually any other country I ever visited.

BBM. Many of us do not consider that a benefit.

Criminy! Why would you want all the guns to be in the hands of criminals?

 

[sonjay]

Yesterday I took my dogs on a hike at the local environmental preserve. The population of feral hogs is out of control around here, and those suckers are mean and dangerous.

I had a firearm on me, just in case.

On the way home, I stopped at the grocery store. My firearm was still on me as I cruised the deli & the bakery.

Oh, the horror!

 

[SStarr33]

Anyone who wants to do something bad with a gun is going to know or be able to find out how to get one. That would be true of any country. What we do have less of is people accidentally shooting people with a gun at whatever age the person holding the gun happens to be and generally, I can be sure if my child goes to play with another family an accidental shooting is the least likely thing to happen. We might still have some gun crime but at least the guns are generally in the hands of criminals. I feel a lot safer here than I did during a visit to the US or actually any other country I ever visited.

Whoa, that's scary.

 

[Nova]

Yesterday I took my dogs on a hike at the local environmental preserve. The population of feral hogs is out of control around here, and those suckers are mean and dangerous.

I had a firearm on me, just in case.

On the way home, I stopped at the grocery store. My firearm was still on me as I cruised the deli & the bakery.

Oh, the horror!

Sonjay, one thing we haven't discussed in any depth is the difference between rural and urban reactions to this issue. My relatives in rural Colorado feel much more strongly about protecting their access to guns than my relatives in big cities. Well, if the former are face with feral hogs, no wonder they want to be armed! If they live 15 or 20 minutes from the nearest police station, no wonder they feel they need to arm themselves!

But in my smallish community on the outskirts of Los Angeles, I can get a cop here almost faster than I can locate and unlock a gun safe and retrieve a legal weapon. Given the "side effects" of keeping a gun in a private home, it hardly seems worth the risk.

 

[TrackerSam]

Sonjay, one thing we haven't discussed in any depth is the difference between rural and urban reactions to this issue. My relatives in rural Colorado feel much more strongly about protecting their access to guns than my relatives in big cities. Well, if the former are face with feral hogs, no wonder they want to be armed! If they live 15 or 20 minutes from the nearest police station, no wonder they feel they need to arm themselves!

But in my smallish community on the outskirts of Los Angeles, I can get a cop here almost faster than I can locate and unlock a gun safe and retrieve a legal weapon. Given the "side effects" of keeping a gun in a private home, it hardly seems worth the risk.

Nor is anyone suggesting you buy a gun. You have the right not to. So IMO you really have nothing to debate.

 

[CoolJ]

BBM. Many of us do not consider that a benefit.

Criminy! Why would you want all the guns to be in the hands of criminals?

Guess where most of our criminals get their guns from. Do you think a few of those 300 million guns might somehow find their way across your northern borders? Any problems we in Canada may have with gun crimes is a direct result of the over abundance of guns with our neighbouring country. IMO

 

[TrackerSam]

2/3 of murders in Canada are committed by handguns, but nobody there has one and they're hard to come by.

Because nobody doesn't actually mean zero.

But an unintentional firearm injury rate of 0.16% (if I recall that number correctly) is an unacceptable risk.

I feel like Alice in Wonderland. Numbers mean whatever you want them to mean.

Nobody gets killed by guns where I live. Nobody commits any crimes, ever. And everybody owns a gun.

Because what he writes is not what he means, who knows what he means. Like when he says Canadians are better at hockey. 1993 was the last time a Canadian team won the Stanly Cup. I've never heard anyone say the beer was better, hard to get from a government store and expensive but better it isn't. The whiskey is though IMO. I don't believe the health care is better and I certainly don't see people scrambling to become Canadian citizens.

 

[CoolJ]

Because what he writes is not what he means, who knows what he means. Like when he says Canadians are better at hockey. 1993 was the last time a Canadian team won the Stanly Cup. I've never heard anyone say the beer was better, hard to get from a government store and expensive but better it isn't. The whiskey is though IMO. I don't believe the health care is better and I certainly don't see people scrambling to become Canadian citizens.

LoL this isn't an America vs. Canada debate. The truth of the matter is we don't have a constitutional right to bear arms, and I don't want American guns coming into my country. That's it. I have no problem with someone owning a hunting rifle or two. But I do have a problem with ONE country having 50% of the guns on the planet. That is over the top IMO.

 

[al66pine]

LoL this isn't an America vs. Canada debate. ....I have no problem with someone owning a hunting rifle or two. But I do have a problem with ONE country having 50% of the guns on the planet.

Link please?
Does that include only guns in hands of the public? What about LE? Military? National Guard?
Handguns only? Rifles? Shotguns?
Registered?
Thx in adv.

BTW, Tim Horton's is one of ourfave's.