ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 50

[Ap186]

I've been watching these body cam videos over and over. In the first one, it appears that when asked by the officer "where are ya'll headed" he says "we're going to get some Thai food right now". imo, the "right now" could be thrown in there to deliberately withhold their ultimate destination, or it could be since they have such a long journey, with likely many small stops on the way, that he interpreted the question as where right this moment are you going and they were in fact headed to a Thai restaurant. After the dad says "well we're coming from WSU" and then its very hard to hear.. but the officer asks what WSU is and they state Washington State University - BK indicates that that he goes there and that there was an incident going on there. (then the officer says he is having a hard time hearing them so its a little jumbled) but then the officer asks "and what were you saying about a swat team" BK starts to explain that there was an incident at the university and he indicates that he got an alert on his phone notifying him about the situation. I did some research on the shooting, and it does say in every article that after 3:00am (PST) they sent out alerts to all of the students about the situation. That would have been 6:00am IN time. From the looks of it on the bodycam - it is about 10:45am when this is taking place. IMO - BK got the alert, and became excited at the thought that there was possibly an attempted arrest/ultimate takedown of a suspect in the Idaho murders. Then the dad says "its horrifying, because he goes to the university, ya know?" As a parent, I think it's normal for the father to be acting this way about this because at that point they don't even know all the details and when something like that happens right by where your child lives, the very school they attend, it feels personal to you. The way he was bringing it up after the Thai food comment, it's possible that he was saying they were going to stop to get some food while also getting some information about the alert he got/the situation happening back at his university. Something else I noticed - everything I am seeing saws the two traffic stops happened minutes from each other. However - and I could be wrong - it looks like the first one was around 10:45am and the second one looks like it has a timestamp at the beginning of the video of 15:50:14, which would be 3:50?

 

[ansrali]

Not in every state, not NV. He didn't just renew anyway. He had PA plate when stopped in August for the seatbelt violation. When pulled over in Dec he had Washington plates.

Right. Meaning that his plates likely expired in November (when his birthday is) and he had to renew before December.

EDIT: he simply also could have taken his time registering his car when he moved to WA, and the plates were delayed.

 

[Rhenish]

Looks like his plane is moving again now. I wonder if he is or is not on it.

 

[vls12345]

Just posting this older article which was from the week after the murders -- about WSU's lack of response in light of the murders.

'Something could happen to us': WSU students frustrated by school's response to slayings near neighboring UI

The killings of four University of Idaho students on Sunday have left many students at neighboring Washington State University worried for their safety – and frustrated with the WSU administration’s response.

www.spokesman.com

Canceling classes was never part of the discussion for university officials, Weiler said, because the attack “didn’t have the same impact to Washington State University that it did to the University of Idaho.”

“It’s an issue that was very close by and was, I think, really disturbing for everybody in the region,” Weiler said. “But it wasn’t something that we thought we needed to cancel class for.”

Hindsight is 20/20, eh?

 

[TigerLou]

If he is convicted will his legal team be able to negotiate his transfer to a prison closer to his family?

He’d be in an Idaho State prison unless he’s on federal charges, which he’s not. IMO

 

[eloquence]

Did he change the car registration from PA to Washington after the murders? Sorry if it's been discussed and I missed it.

I saw on one of the previous threads that he changed it Nov 18th. That poster had links, I don't know where to find them but it seemed credible.

 

[eclecticcowboy]

I think the plane is taking off.....

It's up.

 

[lcookster]

I think you’ll find that that Instagram account was faked. (All hashed out ten to twenty threads ago?)

MOO

Thank for that clarification!

 

[Parsnip]

Criminal Defense Attorney: it would be very unusual for an attorney to be present for inmate transport, and I expect that the transporting agency would cite security concerns if such a request were made. The defense would likely need to have a fairly compelling reason, and make a motion to the court in the jurisdiction that is providing transport.

They may have spoken by phone, but it would have to be on a secure, private, and non-recorded line. Sometimes there are concerns that the attorney phone line is not truly secure, in which case calls would be avoided.

Given the present status, where the defense hasn't even reviewed the affidavit, discussions would primarily be procedural in nature, and would not go deeply into facts of the case. Those things will be addressed with his attorney in Idaho.

Thank you! (And welcome!) to you and @Alethea for your replies.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I can't keep up, so apologies if I'm totally off my rocker by what I'm about to say.

I really, really, really, really hope the police have the right guy. I don't know guys, whether or not BK is the killer, I can't help but think this is a giant media show. I hate to think like that and I hate to indulge in what may turn out to be a ridiculous conspiracy theory, but I kind of feel like this is OJ Simpson level manhunt/capture and in this case, it could have been prevented but wasn't.

I just have so many questions. Police said from the start it was targeted and no threat to the community, then used up every news cycle with this or that contradictory info to feed the gossip mongers and tabloids until finally the white Elantra. They let the suspect go to PA while tracking him the whole time and two separate officers even stopping them in IN (I don't believe that's coincidence). Then the 3 am no-knock SWAT team invasion/arrest. Then flight with frequent re-fuels that the entire nation can track on a trip that realistically could have taken only 5 hours straight.

Just way too much melodrama for me. I half expect Lifetime TV producers to be writing the script as we speak.

I can shrug and say whatever if it turns out they have the right guy. I still think it's all over the top, but if they get the creep who did this, I'm fine with it.

What will be really sad is if it plays out like a Lifetime movie in the end and the "weird" kid is made a spectacle for a crime he didn't commit. I'm not saying BK is innocent. I'm just saying now that they've done all this, I really hope he actually is guilty.

All the above is obviously MOO.

 

[Charlot123]

Here is the link, according to Forum Finesse, but I also want to repost the post by @Mad Hettie, because there is one thing that bothers me.

Post in thread 'ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 49' ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 49

There are some of us who look normal, but we're a hair off. Maybe we've had trauma in our childhood. Maybe we're neurologically wired a bit differently (neurodivergent), or maybe the way our chemistry balances is not the same way the general culture rocks chemistry. We're the ones who are going to be awkward in our own cultures, always the foreigner, stranger in a strange land. Whole books are written in our names.

Here is my concern, because I think we see the same.

No one can incriminate himself more during interrogation than people with such traits. Especially if they, like BK, have the tendency to delve deep into answers, and may get upset when they misconstrue the question. Add to it the atmosphere of the court, BK's potential unwillingness to discuss some personal issues, for example, related to drugs.

Imagine the simplest thing. Substances might be sold in the area, and BK relapsed. His white car is in the area because he is buying something nearby. (Like, there are other kids around in the same time; maybe someone is dealing in the area. It is not empty).

Would he ever acknowledge this reason to be nearby? In front of his parents, in Idaho court? Never in life.

So I hope MPD has a tighty-tight case.

 

[Cindizzi]

Nice work, love all the informed persons on this site!

Husband wants to know when I’ll get my W-2 from here. Lol

 

[ralyla]

I was incorrect, the <modsnip> is on the move again: ADS-B Exchange - track aircraft live

 

[clearskies1]

If he is convicted will his legal team be able to negotiate his transfer to a prison closer to his family?

No. A state crime. No out of state transfer if convicted. No other state would want to deal with an Idaho criminal. JMO

ETA: I stand corrected. Apparently there are cases of interstate transfer, as noted by other posters in later posts below.

 

[ansrali]

Driver’s license expire on your birthday in Colorado.
Vehicle registration is the last day of the month that you first registered it in .

JMO

"New residents of Washington have 30 days to register and title their vehicle when they move to Washington. Residents can send in their paperwork by mail or visit their local licensing office in person to complete the forms to get their license plates."

JMO, he registered somewhere around the time he arrived in WA before the semester/a bit late. My plates for my new car took nearly two months to arrive.

Source

 

[truetexan]

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[Erutan]

Public defender. JMO

Oh, ok.

A different PD :

Bryan Kohberger's new attorney famously overturned a murder conviction

Anne Taylor, 57, has already sent a team of investigators to the house on Kings Road in Idaho to start a crime scene reconstruction ahead of Kohberger returning to the state.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It is unusual for defense attorneys paid by the state to create a reconstruction of the crime scene.
^^^
Considering the source of course, but I wondered if this was accurate ?

 

[eloquence]

Don't you often have to renew registration on your birthday? BK's birthday is November 21.

He didn't own the car in PA so I don't think it would be tied to his birthday there, and even so that wouldn't require changing plates. Regardless, he did change the registration to WA I believe Nov 18

 

[Sandy007]

With regards of medical examinatiin, I read about it,

I said allegedly because there have been scandals where non-recorded lines were actually recorded and entire cases had to be thrown out because of police misconduct. This can happen by mistake - like if someone at the jail does not realize it is an attorney calling - or maliciously because the jail doesn't care about inmate rights.

So there are just practical "tips" defense lawyers try to follow to minimize the risks to clients. Where I practice, you can call the local jails or state prison and let them know up front that you are an attorney, provide your attorney registration, and essentially pre-register your phone number so they know you are an attorney when you call to speak to your client. You have to tell your client to be very clear that they want to call their ATTORNEY when they arrange to call out. And you just generally would tell your client to be cautious because if he's on the phone yelling how he's guilty, maybe another inmate might hear or a guard. You just want to take steps to preserve your client's rights.

In terms of meeting rooms, I've never personally heard about an attorney conducting a client interview in a taped room. It would be a serious violation of the defendant's right to counsel similar to the drug lab crisis in MA that resulted in many convictions being thrown out.

I find your explanation very helpful to understand how it works from now on there. From your expertise, what would be the biggest challenges defense team have to deal with on this case? In regards to the gag order issued by the court, does it mean that the hearings will be closed to the public and media? How media could be controlled to avoid reporting in relation to this case? Could they be penalised? What of the source of trickled information is someone close to investigation? Can they be prosecuted for breach of the court order?

 

[MindMeld]

Thank you! (And welcome!) to you and @Alethea for your replies.

Yep! Sorry, I missed that @Alethea had already given pretty much the same answer. At least our stories check out.