ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 51

[Iwondertoo]

Ok I figured out how to link to a post! MOO, I think forcing a vegan to eat meat would/could cause mental distress. A lot of distress depending on the mental state of the prisoner and how deeply they believed in the morals of the lifestyle, and wouldn't that be a sort of "cruel and unusual" punishment? Idk about the actual legal definition of cruel and unusual punishment but I imagine that would fit?

No one is forcing anyone to eat meat!

If you go to jail, you can eat everything but the meat.

Most likely if you say you're vegan, you get served more of the non meat items. Which is a much better deal than the prisoner that doesn't like margarine or salt. Good luck with that.

The vegan diet is a non issue IMO. He's not starving.

 

[Lillymac]

Maybe they will fly the car back.
It would be a good practice mission for the Air Guard.

Oops!! I forgot about the car. They'll probably tow it. JMO

 

[Seattle1]

1st speeding.
2nd tailgating.

The speeding allegation is bogus.

If you watch both bodycams -- first stop BK is accused of following a van too closely. The second stop was within 10 miles of the first and here the Trooper accused BK of following a tractor-trailer too close. He instructs BK on the safe rule to keep one car length distance between vehicles for every 10 miles of speed.

 

[TheNile]

No one is forcing anyone to eat meat!

If you go to jail, you can eat everything but the meat.

Most likely if you say you're vegan, you get served more of the non meat items. Which is a much better deal than the prisoner that doesn't like margarine or salt. Good luck with that.

The vegan diet is a non issue IMO. He's not starving.

(Reply button, not quote button. Got it for sure this time ))
Agreed wholeheartedly! I meant to reply to IzzyBlanche's post about prisoners being able to dictate what they eat.

Okay just a little clarification on my jail food post.

I can understand accommodating jail food because of religious or allergy reasons. I'm fine with that. Those are necessities.

But if your food choices are not such a necessity but a choice, then I don't think the jail is obligated to go out of their way to accommodate you.

 

[Jcbjlt]

I thought he left the PA jail at like 6 am today, Jan 4 ?

You are 100% correct!!! Ill repost w/correct dates. Thank you

Moscow Murders: Timeline

August, 21st 1140 pm
-Alleged KILLER Bryan Kohberger was pulled over by cops 1.5 miles away from the murder house a couple months before the killings

Saturday, Nov. 12
-On the night of Saturday, Nov. 12, Goncalves and Mogen used a private party for a ride home, getting back at 1:45 a.m., police said. Meanwhile, Chapin and Kernodle arrived to the home at about 1:45 a.m. Two survivng roommates returned home by 1 a.m.

Sunday, Nov. 13
-It's believed the four students were killed in the house between 3 a.m. and 4 a.m. on Nov. 13.. A dog was also at the home, according to law enforcement.
-At 11:58 a.m., a 911 call from one of the roommate's phones requested help for an unconscious person, police said. Police also said they don't believe the man Goncalves and Mogen tried to contact numerous times on Nov. 13 is involved.

Thursday, Nov. 17
-Autopsies determined all victims were stabbed multiple times, police said. The four students were probably asleep when attacked and some had defensive wounds, police said. There's no sign of sexual assault, police added.

Friday, Nov. 18
-Bryan Kohberger got a new license plate for his Hyundai Elantra five days after the murders, records show. He changed from PA to WA.

Wednesday, Dec. 7
-Police announce they're looking to speak with the driver of a white 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra that was seen "in the immediate area" of the victims' house early on Nov. 13.

Thursday, Dec. 14
-Kohberger and father leave Idaho to depart to Pennsylvania (date unverified)

Friday, Dec. 15
-Kohberger and his father were stopped twice on Dec. 15 while driving east of Indianapolis, both times with the younger Kohberger in the driver's seat. They were first stopped by the Hancock County Sheriff's Office for speeding and then nine minutes later by the Indiana State Police.

Friday, Dec. 30 Bryan Kohberger, was arrested in Pennsylvania's Pocono Mountains in the early hours of Dec. 30. Windows and doors were broken during the SWAT team forced entrance. Police state they have DNA evidence.

Tuesday, Jan. 3
-Kohberger, agreed to be extradited to Idaho during his Jan. 3 court appearance in Monroe County, Pennsylvania. LaBar said in a statement his client "is eager to be exonerated of these charges and looks forward to resolving these matters as promptly as possible."
-Indiana state regarding indiana pullovers:“After Kohberger's arrest, the sheriff's department and state police said there was no information at the time on the suspect in the Idaho crimes or specific information on the white Hyundai Elantra. The state police added: "The Trooper, having learned the two had been stopped minutes before by a Deputy from the Hancock County Sheriff’s Department, who he knew was working just down the interstate from him, used his discretion and released the two men with a verbal warning."

Tuesday, Jan. 4
-Kohberger departs Pennsylvania with FBI (per FBI request), not US marshals for transport back to Latah County.
-Judge issues gag order in Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger case
-On Jan 4th FOX news reports the FBI ordered the pullovers in Indiana– "A Federal Bureau of Investigation surveillance team tracked Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger and his father on a cross-country road trip from Washington State to Pennsylvania and asked Indiana police to pull him over, a law enforcement source told Fox News. The law enforcement source told Fox News that the FBI surveillance team was seeking video images of Kohberger as well as his hands. (UNKNOWN SOURCE LE SOURCE). Contradicts state reports




Sources

Idaho murders: FBI directed Indiana police to pull over Bryan Kohberger, seeking video images of his hands
Idaho college murders: Timeline of events
Bryan Kohberger switched license plates after Idaho murders
Police reveal DNA led investigators to suspect in Idaho student murders

Update to Inquiries About Idaho Murder Suspect in Indiana

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[Friday Fan]

In the US court system, you are innocent until proven guilty. I am not a lawyer, but that is our system. Even if you just follow for instance, British crimes series, you will detect right away that our US Miranda rights are specific, and VERY different from what you hear when folks are arrested in other nations. We have the right to remain silent. period.

These crimes were brutal. violent.

The person that committed these crimes is dangerous. So, unless LE was on him 24/7, there's no way they would be secure in the fact that the public in that area was safe. I would say especially because this was a college community, and the victims were college-aged students.

Also, in the US, we enjoy freedoms that allow for that freedom, until through our legal system, that it's decided that there is enough evidence for an arrest.

IMO, LE has overwhelming evidence that they have THE killer.

That flight today (with the refueling layovers) was just so long, and I wonder if BK had any utterances (about anything)? No one can say now because of the gag order.

I doubt that police would put themselves in that situation. The defense attorney would jump all over it.

As a matter of fact, I would not be surprised if they shoved a movie in front of his face to keep him entertained.

(BTW: More and more prisons are allowing inmates to have their own TVs because those TVs are keeping inmates out of trouble)

 

[drmrgrl]

I am almost certain that LE found BK's blood-derived DNA intermingled with blood-derived DNA of several of the victims. I don't think there will be another individual whose DNA was found in the house for whom that condition will hold true.

IMO, that is EXACTLY what LE needs

 

[blackbeary]

Any insider's here ? I'm wondering what death row is like in Idaho, or Washington State. Do inmate's mill about in a pod, or are they locked up in a cell , and let outside separately each day. Are there chances of them being sa, injured, or killed?
Are there classes, TV, job's, art supplies, etc. Can one order veggies thru commissary?

 

[JackieBrown]

Chief Fry / Brian Entin
12/23/22

Entin - Is there anyway of knowing right now and, again, I know there's things you can't say, of whether this murderer is still in the area or maybe far away by now?.

Chief - Like I said, we're not disclosing any of that, but it's not that... we just don't know at this point. We're still trying to put everything together. We've said all along that we need people to be vigilant. We need people to pay attention because we're not sure exactly where the individual is.

Entin - The white Hyundai Elantra that's obviously gotten so much attention. People all over the country looking for it. Should they still be on the look out?. Do you think you've gathered what you need, in terms of that car or are you still wanting people to call in?.

Chief - We still are asking people to call in on any spotting of a white Elantra. We appreciate all the tips that we've gotten, not only from local Moscow, but across the nation. And we're following up on all those, so every tip helps. Like I said, we don't know exactly which tip is going to be the one that really secures a piece of information that we're looking for, but we're looking at all those.

So were they tracking BK on 12/23/22 or not?

 

[WildWest]

You are 100% correct!!! Ill repost w/correct dates. Thank you

Moscow Murders: Timeline

August, 21st 1140 pm
-Alleged KILLER Bryan Kohberger was pulled over by cops 1.5 miles away from the murder house a couple months before the killings

Saturday, Nov. 12
-On the night of Saturday, Nov. 12, Goncalves and Mogen used a private party for a ride home, getting back at 1:45 a.m., police said. Meanwhile, Chapin and Kernodle arrived to the home at about 1:45 a.m. Two survivng roommates returned home by 1 a.m.

Sunday, Nov. 13
-It's believed the four students were killed in the house between 3 a.m. and 4 a.m. on Nov. 13.. A dog was also at the home, according to law enforcement.
-At 11:58 a.m., a 911 call from one of the roommate's phones requested help for an unconscious person, police said. Police also said they don't believe the man Goncalves and Mogen tried to contact numerous times on Nov. 13 is involved.

Thursday, Nov. 17
-Autopsies determined all victims were stabbed multiple times, police said. The four students were probably asleep when attacked and some had defensive wounds, police said. There's no sign of sexual assault, police added.

Friday, Nov. 18
-Bryan Kohberger got a new license plate for his Hyundai Elantra five days after the murders, records show. He changed from PA to WA.

Wednesday, Dec. 7
-Police announce they're looking to speak with the driver of a white 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra that was seen "in the immediate area" of the victims' house early on Nov. 13.

Thursday, Dec. 14
-Kohberger and father leave Idaho to depart to Pennsylvania (date unverified)

Friday, Dec. 15
-Kohberger and his father were stopped twice on Dec. 15 while driving east of Indianapolis, both times with the younger Kohberger in the driver's seat. They were first stopped by the Hancock County Sheriff's Office for speeding and then nine minutes later by the Indiana State Police.

Friday, Dec. 30 Bryan Kohberger, was arrested in Pennsylvania's Pocono Mountains in the early hours of Dec. 30. Windows and doors were broken during the SWAT team forced entrance. Police state they have DNA evidence.

Tuesday, Jan. 3
-Kohberger, agreed to be extradited to Idaho during his Jan. 3 court appearance in Monroe County, Pennsylvania. LaBar said in a statement his client "is eager to be exonerated of these charges and looks forward to resolving these matters as promptly as possible."
-Indiana state regarding indiana pullovers:“After Kohberger's arrest, the sheriff's department and state police said there was no information at the time on the suspect in the Idaho crimes or specific information on the white Hyundai Elantra. The state police added: "The Trooper, having learned the two had been stopped minutes before by a Deputy from the Hancock County Sheriff’s Department, who he knew was working just down the interstate from him, used his discretion and released the two men with a verbal warning."

Tuesday, Jan. 4
-Kohberger departs Pennsylvania with FBI (per FBI request), not US marshals for transport back to Latah County.
-Judge issues gag order in Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger case
-On Jan 4th FOX news reports the FBI ordered the pullovers in Indiana– "A Federal Bureau of Investigation surveillance team tracked Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger and his father on a cross-country road trip from Washington State to Pennsylvania and asked Indiana police to pull him over, a law enforcement source told Fox News. The law enforcement source told Fox News that the FBI surveillance team was seeking video images of Kohberger as well as his hands. (UNKNOWN SOURCE LE SOURCE). Contradicts state reports




Sources

Idaho murders: FBI directed Indiana police to pull over Bryan Kohberger, seeking video images of his hands
Idaho college murders: Timeline of events
Bryan Kohberger switched license plates after Idaho murders
Police reveal DNA led investigators to suspect in Idaho student murders

Update to Inquiries About Idaho Murder Suspect in Indiana

content.govdelivery.com

You're welcome, except today is Wednesday Jan 4 lol. I've been mixed up on days of the week since Christmas break, and thought my computer calendar was off, your post made me think I was not mixed up but I double checked. VERY nice detailed but concise timeline J

 

[TabathaB]

I thought I heard Brian Entin say that the jail is going to try to accommodate BK's vegan diet. Can anyone else confirm?

If so, that makes me livid.

I assume it’s because he is not **yet** convicted.

 

[zoomom2]

In the US court system, you are innocent until proven guilty. I am not a lawyer, but that is our system. Even if you just follow for instance, British crimes series, you will detect right away that our US Miranda rights are specific, and VERY different from what you hear when folks are arrested in other nations. We have the right to remain silent. period.

These crimes were brutal. violent.

The person that committed these crimes is dangerous. So, unless LE was on him 24/7, there's no way they would be secure in the fact that the public in that area was safe. I would say especially because this was a college community, and the victims were college-aged students.

Also, in the US, we enjoy freedoms that allow for that freedom, until through our legal system, that it's decided that there is enough evidence for an arrest.

IMO, LE has overwhelming evidence that they have THE killer.

That flight today (with the refueling layovers) was just so long, and I wonder if BK had any utterances (about anything)? No one can say now because of the gag order.

i think that's why the FBI wanted to escort him personally (instead of US Marshalls.) Profiling info from the horses mouth.

 

[Seattle1]

Any insider's here ? I'm wondering what death row is like in Idaho, or Washington State. Do inmate's mill about in a pod, or are they locked up in a cell , and let outside separately each day. Are there chances of them being sa, injured, or killed?
Are there classes, TV, job's, art supplies, etc. Can one order veggies thru commissary?

No death row in WA since 2018.

Capital punishment in the state of Washington was abolished on October 11, 2018 when the state Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional as applied. On September 10, 2010, Cal Coburn Brown became the last person to be executed in Washington State before it was abolished in 2018.

Capital punishment in Washington (state) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[zoomom2]

IMO, that is EXACTLY what LE needs

I know I am doing this wrong. But THIS!!!

 

[jcamh]

I guess we’ll be tracking the return of the elantra.

I know a little about shipping vehicles as mine was shipped 4,300 miles. I was told that vehicles going cross country are shipped by train. My car apparently rode backwards because the hatch was covered in about a million bugs. However, this vehicle is evidence in a big case. My guess is that it will be shipped inside of a truck or inside of a rail car.

 

[wary]

1st speeding.
2nd tailgating.

No, now that both body-cams have been released—they’re both stops for tailgating. I know we had MSM claims that the first one was for speeding—that just shows that we can’t trust MSM.

MOO

 

[Rumination1]

It is weird that he was stopped twice within ten minutes (by LEO from two different jurisdictions even) for tailgating of all things. I see people doing it all the time and yet I never hear people getting pulled over for that. Twice in 10 minutes by cops that don't communicate with each other is quite bizarre.

Why was one of the stops being reported as a speeding stop earlier? It's pretty clear that both of them were for tailgating.

And why did his dad so quickly mention the WSU incident that happened that morning when they'd have been on the road well before any of that happened? He made it seem like they were fleeing something. I guess he could just be trying to talk his way out of a ticket by any means possible.

MOO.

Or Dad was actively trying to insert it into the conversation where they had come from because he was suspicious of Brian’s scars?

 

[Seattle1]

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[LynnWhite]

Sure they are trained to put themselves in harm's way. But it shouldn't be needlessly so.

One of the most dangerous things a traffic cop can do is randomly stop a car that ends up being driven by a fleeing murderer, who can over react in that situation. If a cop knows the driver could be a fleeing felon they will take precautions and do a Felony Stop. They wait for back up, have weapons drawn and make the driver exit the vehicle, hands over head, walking g backwards.

If this rumour is true, the FBI asked these traffic cops to walk up alone to a car, being driven by a mass murderer, who may be very scared or upset about being stopped. That is an unnecessary danger, because the cops were going to arrest him when he got to PA. Who cares if they check his hands a day or 2 later?

It really bothers me.

Then again, he was also necessarily permitted to be out among the general population for as long as they’ve suspected him, exposing untold numbers of people to him, including anyone they encountered on this trip. They had to essentially make a decision to expose every gas station attendant, restaurant and hotel worker and guest, etc to a mass murder as you’ve stated. I don’t personally think having the Indiana state police pull him over as the FBI is reported as stating is all that alarming really. If anything it’s reassuring they were keeping him on a short lead IMO.

 

[al66pine]

INDIANA TRAFFIC STOPS as ENTRAPMENT DEFENSE??? NOPE imo

Good question. I wondered the same thing. I thought it might be entrapment if anything was discovered. In addition, a defense attorney might claim any evidence or video or impressions gathered were a setup. JMO

@BeckyF Personally, not seeing BCK (potentially) claiming "entrapment"* as a defense relating to homicide charges against him, imo.

Entrapment involves LE inducing a person to commit a crime which the person would not have otherwise done.
IN. LEOs pulling over BCK for a traffic stop one month+ AFTER the homicides is not subject to an entrapment defense. Homicides occurred a more than month BEFORE the traffic stops, too late for LE to "entrap" BCK.

Maybe post was intended to refer to another legal doctrine like "fruit of the poisonous tree"** which prevents evidence obtained in violation of the Fourth Amendment from being admitted in a criminal trial.
Could it potentially apply? If it does, may potentially exclude IN. LEO's pic or vid of BCK's injuries from being ADMITTED AS EVIDENCE at his trial for the four homicides, but wouldmnot be a "defence." Even if pic or cid is excluded, may not even be critical to prosecutor's case.
Always welcoming correction from our legal professionals.
imo jmo moo icbw.
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* Entrapment is a practice in which a law enforcement agent or agent of the state induces a person to commit a "crime" that the person would have otherwise been unlikely or unwilling to commit.[1] It "is the conception and planning of an offense by an officer or agent, and the procurement of its commission by one who would not have perpetrated it except for the trickery, persuasion or fraud of the officer or state agent".[2]
Police conduct rising to the level of entrapment is broadly discouraged and thus, in many jurisdictions, is available as a defense against criminal liability. Sting operations, through which police officers or agents engage in deception to try to catch persons who are committing crimes, raise concerns about possible entrapment.[3]
Depending on the law in the jurisdiction, the prosecution may be required to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entrapped or the defendant may be required to prove that they were entrapped as an affirmative defense."
*Entrapment - Wikipedia.
** "The "fruit of the poisonous tree" doctrine is an extension of the exclusionary rule, which, subject to some exceptions, prevents evidence obtained in violation of the Fourth Amendment from being admitted in a criminal trial...°

Fruit of the poisonous tree - Wikipedia

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