ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 54

[justwannahelp]

The last two nights I have posted that we had very little evidence to go on and therefore should not be jumping to conclusions. I think the PCA today gave us a LOT of evidence. Yes, there are conclusions, tests, etc. that will be challenged and may prove to be incorrect. But I now think we have a great deal of damning evidence of BK's guilt. Whether he was stalking one of the girls is ultimately irrelevant. I think he was but it really doesn't matter.

The only possibility I can see of him not being guilty is if this is some brilliant setup of LE to make them look stupid by fabricating/forcing a lot of evidence that makes it look like him and then he turns out to have a rock-solid alibi.

No, I don't actually think that is the situation. I think he is guilty as hell and the motive, while intriguing, is really not that important.

One thing I do find interesting is that several of the "rumors" posted here and elsewhere that were mostly deleted turned out to be correct. There was a rumor for example that the knife sheath was left behind. It was.

I was thinking about that the other night. Like what if in a few weeks there’s another murder on that campus? And BK is like i asked you if you arrested anyone else. Suppose he and some freaky classmate are toying with LE? I know i know too much Castle and law and order. lol

He didn't seem super concerned about all the cameras on the street.

I think a pretty good indication that he was unfamiliar with the house is he doesn't seem to have gone to the first floor. As people have long noted, the house has an odd layout, and it's easy to not realize there are rooms down there.

I'd wondered why he would go to X's room since it is so out of the way, but her being the only person who seemed to have really been awake and up makes a lot of sense. He could probably hear her and knew there was someone in that room. MOO

Xana worked at mad Greek so it’s possible she was a target if he dined there?? Just a theory I’ve heard

 

[DetRavioli]

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Again, they USUALLY are but not always.

Also, in this case IT IS.

BK birthdate and date of registration expiring ARE THE SAME

His bday is 11/21

 

[ArmChairDet]

He didn't seem super concerned about all the cameras on the street.

I think a pretty good indication that he was unfamiliar with the house is he doesn't seem to have gone to the first floor. As people have long noted, the house has an odd layout, and it's easy to not realize there are rooms down there.

I'd wondered why he would go to X's room since it is so out of the way, but her being the only person who seemed to have really been awake and up makes a lot of sense. He could probably hear her and knew there was someone in that room. MOO

IMO there is a good chance that X was checking out who what in the house and was not an intended target. I think there is a possibility that his in intended target was one, possibly MM if the knife sheath was there. Found here in the room with KC and kill them both. Then tired to X who he thought saw him - possibly when she received the DD order.

 

[Zinn]

IMO, he stopped and got something to eat or he met up with somebody?

There appears to be a 9 minute stretch during which (allegedly) BK made a round-trip drive from SE Nevada St (driving north at 2:44am) to SE Nevada St. (driving southeast at 2:53am). That accounts for a bit of time though the reason for that roundtrip is either not provided or not known. JMO, assuming I read the PCA correctly.

 

[jcamh]

I can not tell you how many times I've carried on a conversation "in my sleep".
I've answered the phone in my sleep and carried on conversations, and went right back to sleep. A bunch of time's, I don't even remember it, until someone or something reminds me that it happened. I can see this happening in a party house, getting woke up by people speaking, or making noises, and go right back to sleep.

I agree. My drunk roommate in college used to talk in her sleep, sing in her sleep and wake up the next morning with no memory of anything that she said or did.

 

[Veronica Sawyer]

The last two nights I have posted that we had very little evidence to go on and therefore should not be jumping to conclusions. I think the PCA today gave us a LOT of evidence. Yes, there are conclusions, tests, etc. that will be challenged and may prove to be incorrect. But I now think we have a great deal of damning evidence of BK's guilt. Whether he was stalking one of the girls is ultimately irrelevant. I think he was but it really doesn't matter.

The only possibility I can see of him not being guilty is if this is some brilliant setup of LE to make them look stupid by fabricating/forcing a lot of evidence that makes it look like him and then he turns out to have a rock-solid alibi.

No, I don't actually think that is the situation. I think he is guilty as hell and the motive, while intriguing, is really not that important.

One thing I do find interesting is that several of the "rumors" posted here and elsewhere that were mostly deleted turned out to be correct. There was a rumor for example that the knife sheath was left behind. It was.

I don’t know that it was rumored as much as it was just rightfully suspected that he’d left it behind due to how much emphasis there had been in the beginning on the type of knife LE was said to be looking for. / jmo

 

[sunshineray]

He didn't come in before Door Dash. The PCA records his final arrival as 4:04 and he then had a weird parking adventure before he could even exit his car. The Door Dash guy was there at 4. He literally just missed him, but BK couldn't have entered the house before then because he was still driving around.

PCA said approximately 4am...it said approximately for just about everything recounted as happened in or at (Door Dash guy) the house.

 

[diabeticrockstar]

D moved from first floor west to second floor east when the sixth roommate moved out.

I don't think this info is listed anywhere. The internet en masse just assumed both were on first floor since they survived--then mainstream media started repeating each other with "surviving roomates believed to be on 1st floor". To my knowledge there is no factual statement/account of when the room switch may have happened, if it did at all...its possible the 6th roomate had a room on the first floor. The only thing we know for sure is on night of Nov 12 her bedroom was on 2nd floor, in the room the widely shared Floorplan had marked as "empty".

 

[AMM26]

OK, so from the affidavit, I note that the police say early on that the murders happened between 4:00 and 4:25 am. However, later on, they note that the Elantra was captured leaving the scene at 4:20 am. I'm going to extrapolate from this that even if DM had called the police, it wouldn't have done any good; I assume that if any of the 4 were still alive, it took 5 minutes or less for them to die, unfortunately. I feel like LE DOES need to spell this out for DM's safety (and mental health) and to get everyone off her back. I know there is probably a 99% chance that nothing she could have done could have saved them but people will fixate on the 1%.
Second, the timeline of the murders confuses me. Does BK have enough time to do 4 murders? You know the defense will be examining this as well. So at approximately 4:04 am, the car appears on camera, drives eastbound, then drives westbound, tries to park, then goes down Queen Road again. Suppose all this takes about 3 minutes. Then you have to allow another 2 minutes for him to park and get to the house and now it's 4:09. Now, at 4:20 am, the car is seen LEAVING again. Again, you have to allow time for BK to get to his car from the house and get back on camera. A murder happens at 4:17, which has to be the last one. We know X is alive at 4:12. X must be the LAST murder by this timeline.
Basically, by this timeline, BK kills 4 people in 10 minutes and must move like lightning in that house. Is that enough time for him to do 4 murders? If I was a defense attorney or giving the presumption of guilt, this is what I'd focus on. Also, how does he get in? Does he have the code to the house? If so, how does he get it? And why doesn't DM hear him come in if X or K do as no matter how he comes in, he has to pass her room to get to both rooms with the murder victims?

Hello! I don’t usually comment I’m fairly new to websleuths, and I fell behind quite a lot on this thread so I’m barely reading this. Sorry if someone already mentioned something like this, but I just wanted to throw in something from the affidavit that could possibly explain DM not hearing him enter. we know that DM was hearing a lot of different noises throughout the night. It says at 4:00 am she hears what sounds like KG playing with the dog and then it says “shortly after” she thinks she hears KG say “someone is here” which falls in line with what you said about him finally coming in at around 4:09. Im not exactly sure what DM heard that indicated it was KG and the dog, but what if it covered or kind of blended with the noise of the break in/sounds of someone entering? When she opened her door there was nothing there. It’s a very tight timeline so we can guess he had to be super fast even when entering.

 

[justwannahelp]

I wonder if BK has his defense all planned out as well.

Maybe investigators will have some leverage and he will be offered a plea deal, although BK may not care about the idea of being put to death. Now that he knows his DNA linked him to the murders he must know he doesn't have a chance.

We know that his mother has publicly written her views about the Death Penalty and BK seems to have a bond with his family.

Israel Keyes made a deal with police that he would reveal information about his crimes and the information would be kept from the public if he confessed.

I would think BK, like IK, would not want his family knowing the details about the unimaginable things he did.

Although he could be like Israel Keyes and BTK and won't be able to resist talking about and re-living the murders.

He reportedly told his PA attorney that 'this would be a long process," so maybe his plan is to fight until the end.

He seemed cool as a cucumber in court today . I didn’t know what to make of that. He calmly answered Yes to each do you understand murder charge every single time. Like no praaaaoooblum.

 

[Zella]

IMO there is a good chance that X was checking out who what in the house and was not an intended target. I think there is a possibility that his in intended target was one, possibly MM if the knife sheath was there. Found here in the room with KC and kill them both. Then tired to X who he thought saw him - possibly when she received the DD order.

She couldn't have seen him when she got the order. He wasn't there. He pulled in a few minutes later.

 

[scottr]

Preponderance of evidence is fine for civil trials. Criminal convictions require proof beyond a reasonable doubt and I'm just not convinced we're there yet. Bear in mind we haven't seen all of the prosecution's cards. But we haven't seen any of the defense's cards. As far as this witness, she will do far more for the establishment of timeline than identity. And so far there has been no attempt to provide a motive. But motive and direct evidence are not required to get a conviction, just proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Like I said, I'm just not convinced we're there yet. YMMV

I must say that a conviction actually requiring proof beyond a reasonable doubt is a bit naive..

Of course that is the narrative of the judicial system and what is written in law but a conviction is simply that. It's one side convincing a jury to determine an outcome in their favor. Defense teams will always try to sell the requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt but the reality is that the jury reaches a conclusion because they are convinced to do so, not because they have been provided proof. That is why a collection of circumstantial evidence is so important.

 

[whiterhino]

If BK entered the house and immediately headed upstairs, does this give indication as to who the intended target(s) were?

Is it possible X was killed because she left her room (and Ethan subsequently)?

BK walked past DM either knowingly or unknowingly, leaving her unharmed. It's just kind of odd to me. MOO.

 

[schooling]

I have a 2014 Elantra. It has GPS standard where I can easily pull up old trips I have taken.

Elantras also come with free 2 year BlueLink service. This can do all sorts of location searches and car service info. If the subscription expired, I think there may he a way that LE could reactivate and find past data.

I thought that version of the Bluelink network was deactivated this past January 2022? All GPS related location services that rely on Hyundai’s Bluelink backend servers were depreciated/sunset.

Any and all GPS data is likely long gone. Unless he was dumb enough to directly type it into his navigation system. In which case there’s a tiny chance it’s recoverable depending on what type of local storage it uses.

 

[Miriel Pastor of Vows]

So you have examined the academic work he did to receive his Masters Degree? Where is it, can you link to it?

He was never published, never made it past peer review, and never went on to complete his program of study. The only glimpse we have of his work is a pilot survey that he never finished, and which served as a way for him to be voyeuristic about crime rather than as a contribution to his field of study. The lack of evidence of his work is evidence of the fact he was not performing at the highest levels among his peers.

He very well could be intelligent. I do see that the professor saw promise in his writing. But that is only her perspective and as you can see it didn’t pan out.

 

[ReadyorNot]

He didn't seem super concerned about all the cameras on the street.

I think a pretty good indication that he was unfamiliar with the house is he doesn't seem to have gone to the first floor. As people have long noted, the house has an odd layout, and it's easy to not realize there are rooms down there.

I'd wondered why he would go to X's room since it is so out of the way, but her being the only person who seemed to have really been awake and up makes a lot of sense. He could probably hear her and knew there was someone in that room. MOO

What makes the most sense to me is that she was in kitchen getting the food from the door or eating her food in her room when she heard something crazy going on upstairs. She couldve ran to her room to alert Ethan at that point or left her room to investigate what she was hearing. The killer wouldve probably seen her or heard her too and followed. It makes sense of her saying, "someone is here" and being found dead outside her room with her food in the kitchen.

 

[Zella]

PCA said approximately 4am...it said approximately for just about everything recounted as happened in or at (Door Dash guy) the house.

I'm pretty sure they have confirmation of the time based on all the cameras they're using to confirm the other comings and goings, as well as the door dash system.

BK also seems to have made a farce of finding a place to park, so his arrival at the house may have been delayed by anywhere from a couple of minutes to a few.

 

[schooling]

I'm pretty sure they have confirmation of the time based on all the cameras they're using to confirm the other comings and goings, as well as the door dash system.

BK also seems to have made a farce of finding a place to park, so his arrival at the house may have been delayed by anywhere from a couple of minutes to a few.

The first mass murderer to make a legal 3 point turn in the commission of a killing? Guy is whacked out of his mind.

 

[ArmChairDet]

Now that would be Awesome

Looks like prior to 2015 they were 2G, 2015 were 2G and 3G, 2015-2019 are 3g.

2G has been long gone, 3G shutdown around 1 year ago. There is nothing left to connect to. Not sure how the Map software works, it may store trips. I would assume there is an option to choose to or not, I know there is for the Toyota GPW.

 

[Zella]

The first mass murderer to make a legal 3 point turn in the commission of a killing? Guy is whacked out of his mind.

He certainly has a weird track record with that Hyundai.