ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 55

[SuziQ]

Concerning D. She heard what she thought was a roommate playing with their dog, she heard a few sentences, she possibly heard some soft crying. None of that is super alarming. She opened her door and saw a strange man leaving the house. Weird yes, it probably startled her. But really what would she tell the cops?

So she locks her door and all is silent. She probably thought everybody finally settled in for the night so she went to sleep.

As an adult, I get up and check out weird sounds in the night. My dog barking ect...but my teenager stays in bed, I guess figuring if anything was up I'd tell her. Once everything is quiet she goes right back to sleep and asks me about it in the morning.

My DD lived in off campus housing. She read the PCA and said she has gone through the same scenarios that DM did. Not once did it occur to her that her roommates were being murdered. If noises were somewhat concerning she would crack the door open and listen for more noises. She has been shocked by random guys suddenly passing her door. But nothing was ever concerning and she shut the door, locked it, and went to bed. Imo.

 

[10ofRods]

The phone data can't tell us he was exactly at the residence, but just in the area.

It can get pretty darned close. Moscow, ID has a *lot* of cell towers, multiple ways to triangulate location. I can walk into the next room and watch my Apple watch move on Google maps, even without the wifi on. Same with my phone. If I leave my phone in the car, I can see that it's marked as being in my driveway, etc.

When BK took his phone off airplane mode or turned it back on, it would likely have also sought a local router to hook up to. My phone suggests I join networks as soon as I drive down my street, which of course, I ignore - but I still can see the router names, so my phone is pinging routers as well as cell towers.

We just do not know all the forensic data LE has gotten, by now, for that phone. They only wrote down what they needed for the PCA.

So "just in the area" can be fairly specific - such as whether the car is up on Walenta or whatever that street is, or whether it's on King or Queen. I am guessing it's pretty clear when his phone is near 1122 and not just in the area of 1122 (on those times when he went over at night before the killings).

I still can't believe he only turned his phone off after he left his apartment. I thought for sure that *any* smart perp would leave their phone at home with youtube on autoplay. And put the autoplay on for nights and nights before the crime.

Then I learned more about BK and told my husband that I believed he'd need his phone to figure out where he was - and I bet that's true, now that we learn he took that long route home. He turns the phone on as he's headed southbound out of Moscow, into unfamiliar territory, right about at the intersection where he turns to go to Genesee.

 

[ray9898]

I wish we knew which way the doors swung into DM's bedroom; did it swing to the short wall or to the longer wall beside the stairs to the third floor? We need to know that so we can figure out which direction DM was looking toward when BK walked right by her. If it swung toward the short wall she'd be looking directly over toward XK's room which would suggest he was walking either toward the stairs leading to the first floor or XK's bedroom. If it swung the other way she'd have a restricted view toward the kitchen and the sliders.

The link I've attached show the layout as opening toward the long wall because a closet is on the short wall. If that is where the closet is located then it definitely makes more sense that way. If it is accurate and BK walked right by her then he was going toward either XK's bedroom or the stairs to the first floor. I think I remember reading that some neighbour walking their dog said the front door was wide open at 8 am.

I wish we knew which way the doors swung into DM's bedroom; did it swing to the short wall or to the longer wall beside the stairs to the third floor? We need to know that so we can figure out which direction DM was looking toward when BK walked right by her. If it swung toward the short wall she'd be looking directly over toward XK's room which would suggest he was walking either toward the stairs leading to the first floor or XK's bedroom. If it swung the other way she'd have a restricted view toward the kitchen and the sliders.

The link I've attached show the layout as opening toward the long wall because a closet is on the short wall. If that is where the closet is located then it definitely makes more sense that way. If it is accurate and BK walked right by her then he was going toward either XK's bedroom or the stairs to the first floor. I think I remember reading that some neighbour walking their dog said the front door was wide open at 8 am.

It is hard to decide what order the sounds DM heard since she opened her door three times to see what the disturbance was.

That diagram is a little off from what I have seen. The hallway area is narrower than that diagram portrays and makes more of an L-shape from the hallway into the kitchen.

It is correct on the way the door opens, someone in that bedroom with the door cracked would see down the hall into the living room. You are correct that BK would have needed to use the staircase outside of her door to go the the 3rd floor. He would then pass her door twice after descending, once to go to XK's room and then again when leaving.

 

[Charlot123]

Do we know if she even had time to open/eat any of it? It is indeed an odd placement.

You know, I think she was hungry, grabbed the bag and maybe didn't lock the door? Another possible point of entry.

 

[MamaZA]

MOD NOTE:

Knock off the victim blaming. The surviving roommates are VICTIMS. Just knock it off. Zero tolerance - timeouts will be issued.

Knitty

Yes! This! I can’t believe people are coming at the roommates. They could not have prevented this and they are lucky to be alive. People are so cruel blaming someone’s evil on them!

 

[Anxala]

I think my query should be OK, I am not quoting specifically or taking about details. I just learned from watching interviews with various court people and apparently 'Motive' is not used at trials, and I could have sworn the opposite. Being a non-court employee, I really have no idea. I would like to understand why, is it because several can technically have motive, but you need evidence for one? I'm so confused on this!! I thought motive was like the first things looked at. MOO

Unless the defendant him/herself speaks about their motivation in an 'I did this because this', motive is always going to be subjective, and subjectivity has no value or place in a criminal court trial where objective facts have to rule.

The facts may point to a motive but only the defendant can confirm a motive.

Hence why motive plays no part.

 

[Charlot123]

Just wanted to say. I like the way PCA is written. There are some weak and strong points in the case, but the PCA is logical and you can see the way the detectives thought. Kudos to them!

 

[x_files]

It very well could have been passed down but for his father's sake, I hope not. If he (BK's father) or his father (BK's grandfather) passed that down to BK it would kill his father knowing that knife that's been in the family was used during a quadruple murder.

I would hope if his parents or siblings recognized the knife they'd speak up.

 

[x_files]

That's a pretty creepy look he's giving to his attorney.

I would be concerned if I were his attorney. Blonde and two victims were also blonde. shudder.

 

[Tranquileyes]

I don’t think it’s confirmed she actually moved and her stuff was no longer there. Think it’s an assumption?

https://www.fox28spokane.com/it-mak...t-continues-as-one-victims-mother-speaks-out/
‘It makes me sick thinking that person could be right behind us’: Search for Moscow quadruple murder suspect continues as one victim’s mother speaks out | FOX 28 Spokane

In this article KG's mom says she was already home and just went to go back for the weekend before moving back home for good.

 

[Friday Fan]

I think BK just wanted to kill someone to "live out" his sick dream of being involved in a murder. He likely enjoyed the game and still does. He probably thought of "how to get away with murder" and stuff like that. The outcome wasn't quite what he expected, but he's probably reliving everything he did to get away with it and is still proud that he had an entire nation on edge for six weeks. He probably enjoys that his crime is still the center of attention.

 

[The Scarecrow]

And the kitchen sink is right in front of bag. Odd place to set your fast food bag. Even after eating it. Also, thanks for posting as I now notice the bag was opened.

NYP reposted the photo today; I'd posted it back when it was on DM. Doesn't mention Pullman; doesn't have receipt. Link to story and screen grab below.

University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle got DoorDash delivery just minutes before her murder

Kernodle and three of her roommates were stabbed to death by a crazed knifeman between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m. on Nov. 13.

nypost.com

That's a pretty creepy look he's giving to his attorney.

 

[Gardenista]

Can't remember what time we got notice of the arrest, but he had an ID PD at 9:38 am on 12/30/22

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/123022%20Order%20Appointing%20Public%20Defender.pdf

 

[10ofRods]

There’s one possible loophole—I don’t know if the affidavit dealt with it. Could the ‘turning on and turning off’ be an artifact of spotty cell tower coverage?

Well, considering that he was driving past several cell towers right at that moment (just outside of Pullman) I seriously doubt it. And then, in the area that has the most dense concentration of cell towers (near the U of ID), he's invisible to them all of a sudden? Nope, he turned it off. Or put it in airplane mode. As stated in the PCA.

Then, he drives past a whole boatload of other cell towers (like on both sides of the road) and is invisible to them until near the junction south of Moscow.

I'd say no way.

IMO.

 

[Bhodie]

I think BK has this grandiose idea he is always the smartest person in the room. People who know him said he would often talk about something trying to sound really brainy so others would see how smart he is. IMO since he has a criminology background he thinks it’s really clever of him to cast doubt on him being the culprit by making the comment about someone else being involved.

I don't know, maybe that was peoples perception of his awkward personality and trying to fit in because for someone who apparently thinks they are so smart, so clever and intellectually better than others he did quite a craptastic thing here, he left clues all over the place...the basic obvious clue, he took his own car. That alone doesn't take much forethought

 

[x_files]

At this point, I am not really interested in the nitty gritty details of every minute he spent in the house, nor why the 911 call was made late the next day. I don't think any more insights can be gleaned based on what was in the affadavit

The things that interest me probably aren't going to come out until there is a trial, and may not even come out in the trial, such as:

- more information from people who knew him, from childhood through the time around the murders
- his digital life - social media, internet searches, cell phone data, etc., to get a window into his mind
- prime motivation for the crime (who was targeted, why)
- any previous history of stalking or any criminal behavior
- any possible mental health conditions/diagnoses,
- substance use history
- how did he first encounter these victims, if he did; did he stalk them, follow on social media, etc.
- what did he do after the murder, disposal of clothing, knife, etc.

I hope the prosecutors dot every "I" and cross every "t" so they have an air tight case that is impervious to a strong defense. I hope they have way more information than what was in the affadavit, and that they are receiving even more from people who knew him or who may have encountered him that can help make the case stronger.

I hope we don't have to wait years for this to go to trial. I hope it is live-streamed but I think that is doubtful. I hope that they don't do anything that would give BK a chance to commit suicide before the trial (I don't have the sense that he would do that, but you never know- people with a strong need for control might decide they're better off dead rather than letting a jury make the decision for them).

I would like to know why did he target them or that house?
Was he stalking all of them that lived there or just one?
What was the trigger to finally attack on Nov. 13th?
Was he spotted stalking and called out? Feared he was recognized? Confrontation and told to f*ck off? for example.
MOO

 

[Elley Mae]

Yes. I cannot rationalize an irrational mind, but the left-behind sheath says a lot, IMO. Clearly the sheath was not attached to his belt, so WHY did he bring the sheath in with him? He thought to wear all black and a mask, he thought to turn off his phone, he thought to leave a PA license plate on his car, but once he got to the house and it was going to happen, his common sense betrayed him. He should have left the sheath in the car.

Once the crime was over and he was back home, common sense kicked back in...changed his license plate, used gloves everywhere he went, put trash in neighbor's cans, etc.

He was definitely in a "zone" as I've seen it said, during the killings. Freaking scary.

My sound silly I was thinking pants like runners/riding bike pants, tight fitting no pockets, maybe had sheath in waist under shirt, after removing knife and starting the attack it fell out.

Jmo

 

[Lamima]

That's a pretty creepy look he's giving to his attorney.

Bless her heart for having him as a client.

 

[XtremeScorpio]

Does LE actually have THAT phone? My reading is that THAT phone disappeared.

Oh I didn't read that his phone disappeared. Where did you hear or read that?

My response though was basically just curiosity and acknowledging that it's possible. I have no idea whether he actually did that.

 

[Aquarian]

Well I believe I have finally caught up enough to knowledgeably comment- whew what an exercise! Enjoyed everyone’s take and perspectives. I don’t think my views are too far off than most. All moon of course and I’ll be brief.
At this point I am convinced until we have more info that BK didn’t see DM on his exit out of the house- reason being the angle and most importantly I don’t believe he suddenly developed compassion, distinction of good or bad or thoughts towards others .
I tend to think he slipped in when XK grabbed her door dash and he went upstairs. I do think CK’s ticktock played longer than when she herself intentionally played it. Like when we surmised someone left YouTube on . I do think KG may have began in her room until she said someone’s here, and walked towards MM’s room, it idk