ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 58

[BrownRice]

The threads have been flying for days. I haven't seen this discussed. I certainly could have missed it. If true, the final nail IMO.

According to Nancy Grace, in Pennsylvania trash “they found
discarded items that match back to the Sheath that was left beside one of the dead…..”

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That’s in the PCA. Says FBI took trash from parents house and DNA from his father matched BK

 

[crhedBngr]

Important evidence...Wonder where Nancy got her info and how reliable it is

Proof of purchase for the knife, such as a receipt?

JMVHO.

 

[gizmobtj]

Is it normal for college kids to order food at 4am?

Yes!!!

 

[OrangeRhyme]

The threads have been flying for days. I haven't seen this discussed. I certainly could have missed it. If true, the final nail IMO.

According to Nancy Grace, in Pennsylvania trash “they found
discarded items that match back to the Sheath that was left beside one of the dead…..”

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Nancy Grace is unreliable.

Also BK didn't drive an hour to Johnson, ID. That was a typo in the affidavit. His cell phone pinged in Johnson, WA.

Another typo was "Uniontown, ID" should be WA

 

[Brunette]

The PCA says BKs phone was tracked at the 1122 King Rd address 12 times prior to the murders. Can they determine if he was inside the house (party guest, friend of a resident) or sitting outside in car?

One of the dates August 21, he was there from 10:24pm to 11:35pm and then was detained by LE at 11:37. Was this the citation for no seat belt? Where was he when he received the citation?

Agree with a PP that just based off what towers the phone pinged, they wouldn’t be able to pinpoint if he was in the house or in his car right outside, or even down the block probably. The area the towers cover is too large for them to be try at precise with it. Other data they pull from the phone might help better pinpoint location.

As to his Moscow citation, yes, as I recall it was for no seatbelt and it was $10. It was at Farm Road and West Pullman Road. A copy of the citation got posted online but I can’t find it at the moment.

 

[Ccging]

The PCA says BKs phone was tracked at the 1122 King Rd address 12 times prior to the murders. Can they determine if he was inside the house (party guest, friend of a resident) or sitting outside in car?

One of the dates August 21, he was there from 10:24pm to 11:35pm and then was detained by LE at 11:37. Was this the citation for no seat belt? Where was he when he received the citation?

In other cases they were able to ping 2 cell phones to the same location to confirm they were together. If they can ping BK’s phone and say KG’s phone together they can show they were at the same location, the house per se to prove that yes he was inside.

 

[truetexan]

 

[mzmarymac]

A few random observations:
1.) Is it me, or is this guy pulled over by police a lot for someone supposedly in criminology and academia?
2.) I am hoping and praying that DM was given the opportunity to select BK from a photo lineup prior to the arrest. How great would it be if she was shown several photographs and was able to pick him out based on his appearance over the mask.
3.) First timer? Since he seems as though he may have a proclivity for running his mouth on message boards and social media groups, I hope they are able to find his other accounts and history and see if he may be connected to other cases over the years. He's 28. Dahmer killed his first victim when he was 18. Apparently 27 is about the average time a SK starts killing, so I guess that would be correct, but how many go straight to a mass killing?
4.) Am I correct that both KC and MM worked at a vegan restaurant? I wonder if there are any records of BK being in there. It would seem pretty likely that if that is true, he could have certainly been in there to check out vegan options (not that far) and came upon one of the girls, tried his pathetic attempt at "flirting" and got shot down.

 

[gizmobtj]

Nancy Grace is unreliable.

Also BK didn't drive an hour to Johnson, ID. That was a typo in the affidavit. His cell phone pinged in Johnson, WA.

Another typo was "Uniontown, ID" should be WA

Did they correct that or is this just your best, logical guess? I was perplexed by their being no Uniontown, ID ....

 

[cottonweaver]

Kohberger tries to get a peek of the Prosecutor's documents

Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger's Affidavit Is Full of 'Bad Facts' for His Lawyers — and Some Gaps for the State, Experts Say

Defense attorneys call information that hurts their clients' case "bad facts." A seasoned public defender says they're all over Brian Kohberger's affidavit.

lawandcrime.com

 

[Skully67]

Question about cell phone data.

If my cell phone can show to me, via Google maps, where I am on a road and what my speed is, why can't cell phone history show the same. Also, my Google maps history shows me the same thing. Couldn't LE tap into that?

 

[gizmobtj]

A few random observations:
1.) Is it me, or is this guy pulled over by police a lot for someone supposedly in criminology and academia?
2.) I am hoping and praying that DM was given the opportunity to select BK from a photo lineup prior to the arrest. How great would it be if she was shown several photographs and was able to pick him out based on his appearance over the mask.
3.) First timer? Since he seems as though he may have a proclivity for running his mouth on message boards and social media groups, I hope they are able to find his other accounts and history and see if he may be connected to other cases over the years. He's 28. Dahmer killed his first victim when he was 18. Apparently 27 is about the average time a SK starts killing, so I guess that would be correct, but how many go straight to a mass killing?
4.) Am I correct that both KC and MM worked at a vegan restaurant? I wonder if there are any records of BK being in there. It would seem pretty likely that if that is true, he could have certainly been in there to check out vegan options (not that far) and came upon one of the girls, tried his pathetic attempt at "flirting" and got shot down.

To your second point, I wonder whether they would have been reluctant to show her a lineup. If she picked the wrong person or didn't pick him, that would be giving the defense a gift. They would have had to give her mugshots of guys with bushy eyebrows and athletic builds ....

 

[WildWest]

Oh sorry, I am no expert, just going by what google said.

ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 56

He did not drive straight home after the murders. He drove towards Genesee, Idaho and Uniontown, Washington then drove to home to Pullman. My point is in the PCA it says “Uniontown ID”. There is no such place. It’s Uniontown WA. I was responding to a post about the poorly written PCA.

www.websleuths.com

@AngTxGal

 

[NuttMegg]

Bringing over from previous thread:


Sorry I missed your point. I guess it wasn't considered relevant to the PCA where in X's room E was found. But it could be relevant to the prosecution's case in terms of how each of them was attacked & wounded (e.g., to totally disable/eliminate someone like E who might be able to physically stop or hinder the murderer, versus someone who could not physically stop them and was killed outright/in a different manner based on forensic evidence) & in what order, that could be critical to revealing how the murders were planned out and/or accomplished.

I've always thought E represented the greatest possible impediment to committing the murders uninterrupted, and have also thought the attack on him was perhaps much more vicious for this reason, and he may have been found in an especially gruesome position or condition, so LE has held back on details about E's murder on purpose because it wouldn't matter in terms of arresting him... yet... at this stage..., and might be too shocking and damaging to his family to have it be public knowledge that he was treated differently by the killer to include in a PCA. JMOO

It seems to me that there were significant details given about XK, she was on tictoc, she ordered food, she was apparently heard crying, someone said words to her, apparently, and she was found on the floor. I listened to that section a few times, there was nothing about what EC was doing, nothing at all. I'm wondering if she was out of her bedroom, (in bathroom?), and possibly BK killed EC while he was sleeping, then XC returns and all the rest happened to her. Could she have been sobbing at discovering EC killed? He had to have been dead by that time or D would have mentioned hearing his voice. (Imo the voice heard was the killer's.)

The only reason I brought it up in the first place (that LE didn't specify his position) is because there is something they don't want to disclose right now. But it could be as you theorize, that there was nothing to be gained by shocking his family. But saying he was on the bed, or half off, or leaning on the outside wall, it seems relevant to me, given that they said as much about the other 3.

Anyway after this document it is clearer to me that E and then X were last.

Jmo

ETA. Also we don't know when she picked up the door dash. Yes I know it was delivered at 4, but it doesn't say to which door it was delivered, or when she went to get it. Also, it could be that it was food for early breakfast in a few hours that she didn't eat. Sure the delivery guy could clear up part.

 

[r3d-ros3]

Question about cell phone data.

If my cell phone can show to me, via Google maps, where I am on a road and what my speed is, why can't cell phone history show the same. Also, my Google maps history shows me the same thing. Couldn't LE tap into that?

Location data associated with cell phone apps is highly accurate in my experience. For example, if I have my location turned on for another phone contact to view (this is on an iPhone to another iPhone), they can see me in my house, or the store I'm in -- it's extremely precise. If they can access BK's location services (if he had them turned on) from third-party phone applications, they might be able to definitively place him at the crime scene rather than, for example, across the street where occupants of nearby apartments might ping the same cell tower that occupants of 1122 King road ping.

More info here on how cell phone data in relation to phone towers and other devices is used by LE.

 

[kittythehare]

In other cases they were able to ping 2 cell phones to the same location to confirm they were together. If they can ping BK’s phone and say KG’s phone together they can show they were at the same location, the house per se to prove that yes he was inside.

can they do that if he'd switched to airplane mode?

 

[Boodles]

Important evidence...Wonder where Nancy got her info and how reliable it is

Huh? Mark Geragos says the DNA is not admissible? Did I mishear that?

 

[cottonweaver]

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wore a mask which only covered the mouth and nose according to the affidavit but I suppose it's possible

Am going to infer from DM's description this means that he was wearing some kind of head covering ( hat) when he exited

 

[TheGardener]

An interesting take on what might have been going on during BK's trip back to PA. The former FBI guy believes the car was surrounded by FBI during the entire trip back to PA, thus the stops for seemingly insignificant violations.

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[Petunia83]

Hello all. Long time reader buy made an account because this case hits close to home for a handful
or reasons. I did want to share a story about an incident that happened to me a few years ago just to illustrate that you honestly have NO idea how you would react in this situation and the people criticizing DM are killing me. On what planet does a 19 year old female, living in an extremely safe college town (per LE) think noise at 4am in her shared party house and seeing a man she doesn’t recognize = 4 of my closest friends have just been murdered?

I’m a professional woman in my 40’s (mom, husband, kids) and live in what you would consider an affluent suburb (leaning toward rural with 1+ acre lots) town. A few years ago I went for a run around 10am on a regular Tuesday. I was running down a main road at the edge of town where houses lined one side and forest lined the other. This was not a desolate road, there is traffic and borders a much more populated town.

As i was running a truck pulled up beside me and a somewhat friendly guy asked where the closest gas station. I stood back and told him to follow the road to one or he could turn around and follow another route. He thank me and continued down the road.

I changed direction and headed back on the same road (my planned route) and maybe 5 min later he had done the same and stopped me again. Said he was confused with my directions and asks again to the closest station. I repeated what i said and he thanked me and took off. I thought it was unusual but figured he was flirting or confused and I was on mine 8 and tired - it was late winter and I was getting cold so I was just focused on getting home and warm.

Until half a mile up the road, i saw he had pulled over to the side and was standing standing leaning on the hood of the truck. My initial
thought was sort of ‘huh? wonder why he stopped again?’ I wasn’t exactly scared, but it made me nervous. I crossed to the other side of the road and there happened to be a street into a neighborhood that I took instead of staying straight and running by him. I looked at him as I turned and he looked at me, waved and said ‘hey, good to see you again’. The neighborhood houses didn’t start for a bit so the road in was just woods. I looked back once i was in the sidestreet and he was back in his truck slowly following me.

At this point I knew this was not normal but I was confused and my mind sort of went blank because I couldn’t understand why someone would follow me. It didn’t make any sense to me. I was running like I always do. I sort of froze there in the middle of the street looking at him and trying to understand what was going on. He stopped the truck, got out, and started to jog towards me and by that point I was terrified and my mind just told me to RUN.
He followed me down the street and though one yard, maybe two, then stopped. I ran through a few more and then stopped and hid in a child’s playhouse in someone’s back yard. At that point I called my husbands cell which went to voicemail so I left him a sobbing message that I was chased and scared and didn’t know what to do. I waited in that little house freezing my *advertiser censored* off and scared out of mind for about an hour and then I ran home and locked myself inside. I look back at that day and can’t understand why I didn’t take a picture of the truck and license plate or call 911 or scream or bang on someone’s door. Even when I was hiding in the playhouse terrified my mind kept questioning if I made up with happened or it wasn’t as scary as I had thought. Maybe the guy just needed directions? The idea that someone may have been trying to take me or hurt me is just so hard for me to wrap my head around. It doesn’t ‘fit’ into my life. I ended up reporting the incident to the police but was beyond humiliated that I couldn’t think more clearly or strategically in the moment.

So, please be gentle to DM. We know a tiny portion of what happened that night and we should all hope to god we never experience a fraction of what she has had - and will have to process.

Really glad that you are OK!! And thank you for sharing that experience here. Hopefully by sharing your story you have helped others who may be judging DM to understand that a “trauma response” isn’t always going to make perfect sense to non-traumatized individuals… it’s unfair to judge the actions/reactions of those who have lived through such experiences. The truth is, no one knows how they would act or react if faced with the same. She deserves compassion, and I hope she is getting lots of support.