ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 58

[passionflower]

Price of gas BCK drove allot to stalk and kill and check on house.

 

[mzmarymac]

It seems to me that there were significant details given about XK, she was on tictoc, she ordered food, she was apparently heard crying, someone said words to her, apparently, and she was found on the floor. I listened to that section a few times, there was nothing about what EC was doing, nothing at all. I'm wondering if she was out of her bedroom, (in bathroom?), and possibly BK killed EC while he was sleeping, then XC returns and all the rest happened to her. Could she have been sobbing at discovering EC killed? He had to have been dead by that time or D would have mentioned hearing his voice. (Imo the voice heard was the killer's.)

The only reason I brought it up in the first place (that LE didn't specify his position) is because there is something they don't want to disclose right now. But it could be as you theorize, that there was nothing to be gained by shocking his family. But saying he was on the bed, or half off, or leaning on the outside wall, it seems relevant to me, given that they said as much about the other 3.

Anyway after this document it is clearer to me that E and then X were last.

Jmo

I agree. I am leaning toward him going after one of the girls upstairs intentionally as revenge for spurning his advances at some time. He knew where they slept (MM especially due to the M in her window.) Went to get her and found both in there. Then I think he was probably trying to leave and got seen or heard by X eating her food and went in to wake up E (someone is here) and he followed her in there and killed them both.

 

[Ccging]

can they do that if he'd switched to airplane mode?

I don’t think so, but if he had ever been inside the house for parties then he probably was not smart enough to switch it off. IMO

 

[Wishbone]

Huh? Mark Geragos says the DNA is not admissible? Did I mishear that?

He said what is in the pca pertaining to the dna is not admissible....whatever that means

 

[Awakening]

On the issue of the cheek swab, yes this is not specified anywhere, but I think that they would have taken one rises to credible level with the search warrant for his person. I am not referring to results of a cheek swab, but to the virtual certainty that they would have taken one. In most US jurisdictions buccal swab can simply be taken as part of booking procedure. States that limit it do it with very low probable cause requirement: heresy affidavit and low "fair probability" threshold.
So yes we don't know that he was swabbed or even fingerprinted, but it is a very very high probability.

If they swabbed him and the dna didn’t match (this would assume he’s dad is not his biological father) would we know about it yet?

 

[TheNile]

Because of a previous poster (sorry, cant recall who) I am just trying to invision a scenario of an earlier time of death. Not sure how door dash app works, could someone else use her phone to order it?
No worries, I understand the anger.

Bolding is my doing; No, this isn't really possible. Doordash requires you to create an account and link your phone number. Also, you sign in with an email not the phone number, so he would have had to have known her email address and password. However he could make his own account, using his # and email, and then set the address to the location of the murders. I seriously, seriously doubt he did this because 1. it would leave a trail and 2. X would have known that she didnt order food from doordash and would probably be suspicious or simply tell the delivery person they had the wrong house. ETA: Moo, JMO, all that

 

[Strong1]

He said what is in the pca pertaining to the dna is not admissible....whatever that means

PCA

Polymerase cycling assembly - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Still don't know what it means

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Proof of purchase for the knife, such as a receipt?

JMVHO.

Or maybe the package it came in? JMO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Huh? Mark Geragos says the DNA is not admissible? Did I mishear that?

Here is another Geragos statement..

Criminal defense lawyer Mark Geragos noted that while the DNA found on the sheath is significant, there's a lot more DNA work that still needs to be processed and analyzed. “The fact that there was a DNA single source — it looks like on the sheath…and the way they tied it to the suspect is they rummaged through the trash in Pennsylvania, and they did a comparison and found that it would not exclude the father to a pretty good number," Geragos said.

Bryan Kohberger case: Knife sheath points to possible target, experts say

 

[mcmaffy]

The threads have been flying for days. I haven't seen this discussed. I certainly could have missed it. If true, the final nail IMO.

According to Nancy Grace, in Pennsylvania trash “they found
discarded items that match back to the Sheath that was left beside one of the dead…..”

Assuming this report to be true, I'm curious to discover what are the discarded items that "match" the sheath found at the scene - in particular whether they match the brand of sheath that was found at the scene or whether they match the actual sheath (the latter would obviously constitute evidence significantly more probative of BCK's guilt).

I searched for "USMC Kabar sheath" and the images suggest it is a very sturdy piece of leatherware. It is difficult to see what part(s) of this sheath could break/tear off, other than perhaps the clasp section which is finer than the rest of the sheath, or maybe a rivet. However we know the clasp was still intact on the sheath found at the scene based on reports that it is the source of DNA matching with BCK, so clearly the clasp was not found in the trash.

I had wondered if perhaps BCK had worn the sheath around a belt and it had torn or broken off leaving a loop or other attachment still affixed to his belt which he then discarded. But that looks impossible with this particular sheath as the entire top portion is the loop.

Of course, items that "match back" to the sheath are not necessarily discrete portions of the sheath itself - eg. trace fibres from the sheath that adhered to other items contained in the trash; a receipt, warranty card, booklet, packaging etc.

JMO

 

[Petunia83]

The threads have been flying for days. I haven't seen this discussed. I certainly could have missed it. If true, the final nail IMO.

According to Nancy Grace, in Pennsylvania trash “they found
discarded items that match back to the Sheath that was left beside one of the dead…..”

I think all this is saying is that the trash that was “matched back to the sheath” was the DNA sample we already know about. I wish I could agree and say that this is the final nail in the coffin, but I can see some slimy criminal defense attorney trying to poke a bunch of holes in this. However, I will say, I have been BEYOND impressed with the police work in this case and how much information they had, and held back for so long, with ZERO leaks. Learning after the arrest and extradition, just how much the police were on top of their game and then some, what does give me hope for the future (and hope for lots of final nails in the coffin) is my suspicion that they will keep with that pattern of holding information back, and they have much, much, more evidence, STRONG evidence, hopefully more DNA, and hopefully more information from the eyewitness, that we can’t even imagine… that will all come out at trial. Then they’ll be able to make sure that this guy is either put to death, or locked away forever. In either case, the point being, never able to harm another innocent human being again. That’s my hope anyway.

 

[Wishbone]

PCA

Polymerase cycling assembly - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Still don't know what it means

Probable Cause Affidavit

122922 Affidavit - Exhibit A - Statement of Brett Payne.pdf | PDF Host

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[Boodles]

Nancy Grace is unreliable.

Also BK didn't drive an hour to Johnson, ID. That was a typo in the affidavit. His cell phone pinged in Johnson, WA.

Another typo was "Uniontown, ID" should be WA

I don’t know how you know for a fact that these are typos, but if so, Johnson, WA makes a lot more sense, than Johnson, ID, IMO.

I hope typos don’t result in a problem for the prosecution.

 

[drmrgrl]

I swear I was going to post that BK reminded me of a cross between Brian Laundrie and the character Riffraff from The Rocky Horror Picture Show film (played by Bristish actor Richard Obrien) a few days ago when OPs were giving opinions on BK/s looks or who he remined them of, before I saw this article just now!

"IDAHO murders suspect Bryan Kohberger has shown eerie similarities to “charming narcissist” Brian Laundrie, a body language expert has said."

Eerie similarities between Idaho suspect and Brian Laundrie revealed by expert

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Riff Raff

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Just MOO

IMO. I humbly disagree, but I like the comparison.

 

[drmrgrl]

The threads have been flying for days. I haven't seen this discussed. I certainly could have missed it. If true, the final nail IMO.

According to Nancy Grace, in Pennsylvania trash “they found
discarded items that match back to the Sheath that was left beside one of the dead…..”

IMO, someone could have stolen or borrowed BKs car.If BK didn’t do it, he KNOWS WHO did

 

[Twistinginthewind]

It seems to me that there were significant details given about XK, she was on tictoc, she ordered food, she was apparently heard crying, someone said words to her, apparently, and she was found on the floor. I listened to that section a few times, there was nothing about what EC was doing, nothing at all. I'm wondering if she was out of her bedroom, (in bathroom?), and possibly BK killed EC while he was sleeping, then XC returns and all the rest happened to her. Could she have been sobbing at discovering EC killed? He had to have been dead by that time or D would have mentioned hearing his voice. (Imo the voice heard was the killer's.)

The only reason I brought it up in the first place (that LE didn't specify his position) is because there is something they don't want to disclose right now. But it could be as you theorize, that there was nothing to be gained by shocking his family. But saying he was on the bed, or half off, or leaning on the outside wall, it seems relevant to me, given that they said as much about the other 3.

Anyway after this document it is clearer to me that E and then X were last.

Jmo

I think LE doesn't want to disclose the state he was in/where he was found in X's room at this point for some reason as you pointed out. Which makes me concerned that E's body wasn't in one location/position/condition that could be described as simply as the others. The possibilities are just awful, chilling, heartbreaking to contemplate if so, so I will leave it be for now as you said earlier. MOO

 

[marloweclover]

Actually, you can send Doordash to someone somewhere else as a gift. I do it for someone across the country from me fairly regularly. BUT my order history would show it on my account. If someone had access to my phone, they could use my account; my payment methods are saved and it doesn't ask me to log in through the app. IMO neither of these things happened here, but it's possible.

 

[wary]

He said what is in the pca pertaining to the dna is not admissible....whatever that means

Geragos probably means that the PCA only linked the DNA in the sheath to BK’s father—carefully ignoring that they’ll have a direct link to BK himself, now.

MOO

 

[passionflower]

Assuming this report to be true, I'm curious to discover what are the discarded items that "match" the sheath found at the scene - in particular whether they match the brand of sheath that was found at the scene or whether they match the actual sheath (the latter would obviously constitute evidence significantly more probative of BCK's guilt).

I searched for "USMC Kabar sheath" and the images suggest it is a very sturdy piece of leatherware. It is difficult to see what part(s) of this sheath could break/tear off, other than perhaps the clasp section which is finer than the rest of the sheath, or maybe a rivet. However we know the clasp was still intact on the sheath found at the scene based on reports that it is the source of DNA matching with BCK, so clearly the clasp was not found in the trash.

I had wondered if perhaps BCK had worn the sheath around a belt and it had torn or broken off leaving a loop or other attachment still affixed to his belt which he then discarded. But that looks impossible with this particular sheath as the entire top portion is the loop.

Of course, items that "match back" to the sheath are not necessarily discrete portions of the sheath itself - eg. trace fibres from the sheath that adhered to other items contained in the trash; a receipt, warranty card, booklet, packaging etc.

JMO

I think it could be the above

 

[kittythehare]

He said what is in the pca pertaining to the dna is not admissible....whatever that means

That's a bit of a shock, if true.
I don't know this guy or anything about him.
What is his reputation?
Is it possible the mattresses were removed yesterday for DNA testing?
Seems a bit odd that they waited so long and didn't use closed vehicles but it was LE, was it not?