ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 58

[janiwan]

Hello all. Long time reader buy made an account because this case hits close to home for a handful
or reasons. I did want to share a story about an incident that happened to me a few years ago just to illustrate that you honestly have NO idea how you would react in this situation and the people criticizing DM are killing me. On what planet does a 19 year old female, living in an extremely safe college town (per LE) think noise at 4am in her shared party house and seeing a man she doesn’t recognize = 4 of my closest friends have just been murdered?

I’m a professional woman in my 40’s (mom, husband, kids) and live in what you would consider an affluent suburb (leaning toward rural with 1+ acre lots) town. A few years ago I went for a run around 10am on a regular Tuesday. I was running down a main road at the edge of town where houses lined one side and forest lined the other. This was not a desolate road, there is traffic and borders a much more populated town.

As i was running a truck pulled up beside me and a somewhat friendly guy asked where the closest gas station. I stood back and told him to follow the road to one or he could turn around and follow another route. He thank me and continued down the road.

I changed direction and headed back on the same road (my planned route) and maybe 5 min later he had done the same and stopped me again. Said he was confused with my directions and asks again to the closest station. I repeated what i said and he thanked me and took off. I thought it was unusual but figured he was flirting or confused and I was on mine 8 and tired - it was late winter and I was getting cold so I was just focused on getting home and warm.

Until half a mile up the road, i saw he had pulled over to the side and was standing standing leaning on the hood of the truck. My initial
thought was sort of ‘huh? wonder why he stopped again?’ I wasn’t exactly scared, but it made me nervous. I crossed to the other side of the road and there happened to be a street into a neighborhood that I took instead of staying straight and running by him. I looked at him as I turned and he looked at me, waved and said ‘hey, good to see you again’. The neighborhood houses didn’t start for a bit so the road in was just woods. I looked back once i was in the sidestreet and he was back in his truck slowly following me.

At this point I knew this was not normal but I was confused and my mind sort of went blank because I couldn’t understand why someone would follow me. It didn’t make any sense to me. I was running like I always do. I sort of froze there in the middle of the street looking at him and trying to understand what was going on. He stopped the truck, got out, and started to jog towards me and by that point I was terrified and my mind just told me to RUN.
He followed me down the street and though one yard, maybe two, then stopped. I ran through a few more and then stopped and hid in a child’s playhouse in someone’s back yard. At that point I called my husbands cell which went to voicemail so I left him a sobbing message that I was chased and scared and didn’t know what to do. I waited in that little house freezing my *advertiser censored* off and scared out of mind for about an hour and then I ran home and locked myself inside. I look back at that day and can’t understand why I didn’t take a picture of the truck and license plate or call 911 or scream or bang on someone’s door. Even when I was hiding in the playhouse terrified my mind kept questioning if I made up with happened or it wasn’t as scary as I had thought. Maybe the guy just needed directions? The idea that someone may have been trying to take me or hurt me is just so hard for me to wrap my head around. It doesn’t ‘fit’ into my life. I ended up reporting the incident to the police but was beyond humiliated that I couldn’t think more clearly or strategically in the moment.

So, please be gentle to DM. We know a tiny portion of what happened that night and we should all hope to god we never experience a fraction of what she has had - and will have to process.

Yes this makes a lot of sense to me as I’m trying to speculate on DM’s actions/lack of action that night. My theory is she may have had initial intense fear and shock when she saw the masked figure, hence the “frozen shock phase” per the affidavit. However, once back in her bedroom with the door locked any threat gone her rational mind took over. She then likely over rationalised. Perhaps thinking along the l: oh I’m just bring paranoid/stupid/ he was probably just a friend of the others/it’s 4am so I was just spooked. When you remember she had no idea of the enormity of what just happened it also helps make sense why it would have been easier to tell herself it’s probably all fine and wait until morning. That also combined with the time of night and likelihood of drink taken could possibly have lead to inaction. All just speculation in my part of course.

 

[ilovewings]

I think all this is saying is that the trash that was “matched back to the sheath” was the DNA sample we already know about. I wish I could agree and say that this is the final nail in the coffin, but I can see some slimy criminal defense attorney trying to poke a bunch of holes in this. However, I will say, I have been BEYOND impressed with the police work in this case and how much information they had, and held back for so long, with ZERO leaks. Learning after the arrest and extradition, just how much the police were on top of their game and then some, what does give me hope for the future (and hope for lots of final nails in the coffin) is my suspicion that they will keep with that pattern of holding information back, and they have much, much, more evidence, STRONG evidence, hopefully more DNA, and hopefully more information from the eyewitness, that we can’t even imagine… and will all come out at trial. Then they’ll be able to make sure that this guy is either put to death, or locked away forever. In either case, the point being, never able to harm another innocent human being again.

No case is a slam dunk and especially a complicated case like this one. The defense is going to try and poke holes in every aspect of the prosecution's case. That is expected. There is so much to a case: for example, how the witnesses hold up under cross examination, the background of the detectives who investigated the case. You know the defense will be looking for issues arising from personnel information they find on the detectives. They will be looking at chain of custody issues- there is just so much involved in a murder case, let alone a case involving four people murdered in a matter of 15 minutes (roughly-give or take). They are going to make a very big deal of that time period as well. You can expect the defense to describe the prosecution as "sloppy investigation"- they always do that ( they are so predictable)---

I think the Defendant left the sheath behind- inadvertently- think of the energy and rage involved in what he did--- I would imagine actually committing the crime is a lot different than thinking about what he was going to do. The reality of it, the actuality of what he was doing caused him to panic- he was obviously in a hurry and wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible. All of that caused him to leave that knife sheath behind. Thank goodness he did.

 

[Rigatoni999]

Do you know when this is scheduled to air? I didn’t see a date/time… I would like to DVR if you know?

NM — googled it and says it’s supposed to air at 10 PM ET on CBS… However, I’m ET and CBS is not airing the episode in my area until midnight… just in case anyone else is looking for it in the 10 PM timeslot and can’t find it, try midnight.

Proof of purchase for the knife, such as a receipt?

JMVHO.

Packaging, tags,

Assuming this report to be true, I'm curious to discover what are the discarded items that "match" the sheath found at the scene - in particular whether they match the brand of sheath that was found at the scene or whether they match the actual sheath (the latter would obviously constitute evidence significantly more probative of BCK's guilt).

I searched for "USMC Kabar sheath" and the images suggest it is a very sturdy piece of leatherware. It is difficult to see what part(s) of this sheath could break/tear off, other than perhaps the clasp section which is finer than the rest of the sheath, or maybe a rivet. However we know the clasp was still intact on the sheath found at the scene based on reports that it is the source of DNA matching with BCK, so clearly the clasp was not found in the trash.

I had wondered if perhaps BCK had worn the sheath around a belt and it had torn or broken off leaving a loop or other attachment still affixed to his belt which he then discarded. But that looks impossible with this particular sheath as the entire top portion is the loop.

Of course, items that "match back" to the sheath are not necessarily discrete portions of the sheath itself - eg. trace fibres from the sheath that adhered to other items contained in the trash; a receipt, warranty card, booklet, packaging etc.

JMO

 

[TooMuchGun]

It seems to me that there were significant details given about XK, she was on tictoc, she ordered food, she was apparently heard crying, someone said words to her, apparently, and she was found on the floor. I listened to that section a few times, there was nothing about what EC was doing, nothing at all. I'm wondering if she was out of her bedroom, (in bathroom?), and possibly BK killed EC while he was sleeping, then XC returns and all the rest happened to her. Could she have been sobbing at discovering EC killed? He had to have been dead by that time or D would have mentioned hearing his voice. (Imo the voice heard was the killer's.)

The only reason I brought it up in the first place (that LE didn't specify his position) is because there is something they don't want to disclose right now. But it could be as you theorize, that there was nothing to be gained by shocking his family. But saying he was on the bed, or half off, or leaning on the outside wall, it seems relevant to me, given that they said as much about the other 3.

Anyway after this document it is clearer to me that E and then X were last.

Jmo

ETA. Also we don't know when she picked up the door dash. Yes I know it was delivered at 4, but it doesn't say to which door it was delivered, or when she went to get it. Also, it could be that it was food for early breakfast in a few hours that she didn't eat. Sure the delivery guy could clear up part.

wasn't it reported E had work in the am and his alarm was going off? possibly asleep moo

 

[Wishbone]

That's a bit of a shock, if true.
I don't know this guy or anything about him.
What is his reputation?
Is it possible the mattresses were removed yesterday for DNA testing?
Seems a bit odd that they waited so long and didn't use closed vehicles but it was LE, was it not?

He was attorney for scott peterson... Mark Geragos

 

[YepperBepper]

Geragos probably means that the PCA only linked the DNA in the sheath to BK’s father—carefully ignoring that they’ll have a direct link to BK himself, now.

MOO

Defense lawyers always be "defensin".

 

[NuttMegg]

wasn't it reported E had work in the am and his alarm was going off? possibly asleep moo

Where was that reported? That his alarm was going off? Sorry, I've been a little busy with RLife lately.

 

[gizmobtj]

can they do that if he'd switched to airplane mode?

Yes, but not through conventional law enforcement methods. When you put your phone in airplane mode it disables wifi, Bluetooth, NFC and cellular network connections. Essentially all the radios are off. What is not off is GPS. You can block GPS by putting your phone in a small Faraday Cage that has mesh small enough to block 1.6GHz signals.

 

[Diogenetic]

Geragos probably means that the PCA only linked the DNA in the sheath to BK’s father—carefully ignoring that they’ll have a direct link to BK himself, now.

MOO

On some jurisdictions it is part of booking process to take direct cheek swab. In Idaho you need probable cause, but we know they had probable cause to search home, car and his person, I think it is not logically supported they would not have obtained warrant for a cheek swab as well

 

[YepperBepper]

That's a bit of a shock, if true.
I don't know this guy or anything about him.
What is his reputation?
Is it possible the mattresses were removed yesterday for DNA testing?
Seems a bit odd that they waited so long and didn't use closed vehicles but it was LE, was it not?

I would hope that a DNA tests were conducted prior to taking it for a ride in pick up truck. Yikes. I guess the mattresses are considered "biohazards", due to the situation...but I'm not sure how large pieces of biohazardous evidence is handled. Anyone?

As for the attorney, Mark Geragos is a Baez Light, imho....but others may think differently. He defended Scott Peterson, iirc.

 

[Petunia83]

A few random observations:
1.) Is it me, or is this guy pulled over by police a lot for someone supposedly in criminology and academia?
2.) I am hoping and praying that DM was given the opportunity to select BK from a photo lineup prior to the arrest. How great would it be if she was shown several photographs and was able to pick him out based on his appearance over the mask.
3.) First timer? Since he seems as though he may have a proclivity for running his mouth on message boards and social media groups, I hope they are able to find his other accounts and history and see if he may be connected to other cases over the years. He's 28. Dahmer killed his first victim when he was 18. Apparently 27 is about the average time a SK starts killing, so I guess that would be correct, but how many go straight to a mass killing?
4.) Am I correct that both KC and MM worked at a vegan restaurant? I wonder if there are any records of BK being in there. It would seem pretty likely that if that is true, he could have certainly been in there to check out vegan options (not that far) and came upon one of the girls, tried his pathetic attempt at "flirting" and got shot down.

As for #4, I had that same thought and just today actually, I looked up the restaurant that they worked out and checked out the menu. Does not appear to be vegan friendly.

 

[truetexan]

My husband is Marine Veteran. He has one of these knives. Not once in the almost 20 years I have known him as he put his on a belt. He usually just carries it in something like tackle box or travel bag. I could see carrying it in a sweatshirt type with the front LARGE pocket that is large enough for both hands. He lost his knife a few year ago ordered another USMC looked on AP but was going to take awhile since the USMC is popular. So I ordered the replacement from the manufacturer. (RV aprox $135. for this one) It came in a nice box. These knives are one piece of metal one end to the other. Very sturdy and sharp

 

[drmrgrl]

wore a mask which only covered the mouth and nose according to the affidavit but I suppose it's possible

Am going to infer from DM's description this means that he was wearing some kind of head covering ( hat) when he exited

IMO, I suspect the killer was wearing a balaclava scarf

 

[ilovewings]

I would hope that a DNA tests were conducted prior to taking it for a ride in pick up truck. Yikes. I guess the mattresses are considered "biohazards", due to the situation...but I'm not sure how large pieces of biohazardous evidence is handled. Anyone?

As for the attorney, Mark Geragos is a Baez Light, imho....but others may think differently. He defended Scott Peterson, iirc.

Agree about Geragos-

 

[r3d-ros3]

As for #4, I had that same thought and just today actually, I looked up the restaurant that they worked out and checked out the menu. Does not appear to be vegan friendly.

Haven't looked at the menu, but other employees of Mad Greek have stated they do not recognize BK as a patron, so it's unlikely that he encountered them there.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1611109357936332805

 

[CSIDreamer]

wasn't it reported E had work in the am and his alarm was going off? possibly asleep moo

Where was that reported? That his alarm was going off? Sorry, I've been a little busy with RLife lately.

That was speculated here early on. JMO

 

[10ofRods]

That's my question. Was watching the news with my mom and I rewinded to hear it again. Knowing the news these days, it could have been a reference to BK having a different attorney in ID than the one he had in PA. It's maddening how these newscasts snip things to the point of possible misinformation. JMO

If no one has answered, he had a man as an attorney in PA, only for the extradition. This case is out of Idaho.

Now he has Ms Anne Taylor, Esq, out of Kootenai County, Chief Public Defender and certified to handle a Death Penalty case. She sat next to him at his initial hearing in Idaho where the Judge read his charges and gave no bond (bail). She has long blonde hair. She appeared to have another attorney with her.

 

[Apmcd97]

He said what is in the pca pertaining to the dna is not admissible....whatever that means

This means that the way they found his DNA and matched it to the sheath (which enabled them to arrest him) is not allowed to be discussed as part of the actual trial in court. I'd find that odd though. It could be something to do with how they took his DNA from the bin but I thought this was admissible in the last few years especially since genetic genealogy tracing is accepted now. Either way, the fact that his DNA is on the sheath will be evidenced at trial I'm sure. The PCA is the probable cause affidavit. It's basically a statement made by the police to a judge to say why they believe there is probable cause to arrest the suspect. The judge then grants an arrest warrant

 

[WildWest]

wore a mask which only covered the mouth and nose according to the affidavit but I suppose it's possible

Am going to infer from DM's description this means that he was wearing some kind of head covering ( hat) when he exited

What else crossed my mind is back when masks were required for Covid there was a style out that was like a neck gator, one could scrunch it down on neck or pull it up all the way over one's nose.

 

[gizmobtj]

As for #4, I had that same thought and just today actually, I looked up the restaurant that they worked out and checked out the menu. Does not appear to be vegan friendly.

It's one of 8 restaurants in Moscow that advertise themselves as vegan friendly.

Vegan Restaurants in Moscow, Idaho, USA

Vegan and vegetarian restaurants in Moscow, Idaho, ID, directory of natural health food stores and guide to a healthy dining.

www.happycow.net