ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 58

[insearchoflight]

I agree. I am leaning toward him going after one of the girls upstairs intentionally as revenge for spurning his advances at some time. He knew where they slept (MM especially due to the M in her window.) Went to get her and found both in there. Then I think he was probably trying to leave and got seen or heard by X eating her food and went in to wake up E (someone is here) and he followed her in there and killed them both.

But if that’s true then why not kill D too? I don’t think he didn’t see her.

 

[r3d-ros3]

. We might not know it, but security cameras at WSU parking lot could have a clear picture of him driving to Moscow and coming back in the wee hours of the morning Of the day of the murders, and also when BK went back to the scene around 9:00 a.m.

I also wonder if there is additional surveillance footage / CCTV that shows BK driving around Moscow or arriving in Pullman. The PCA mentions the visit to Albertson's where he is spotted on surveillance video exiting the Elantra. I assume that they included this in order to say that his cell phone, car, and person were all at the same place at the same time, but I also wonder if they have or can find additional surveillance footage placing him in Moscow in one (or more) of his 12 visits to King road.

 

[insearchoflight]

Has anyone confirmed if the front door was actually open at 8:30 or if that was just a rumour by the neighbour?

Rumor afaik

 

[BrownRice]

Would they have also borrowed his knife and cell phone?

And DNA?

 

[eloquence]

Does this chronology make the most sense, you think?

1. BK enters targeting either Maddie or Kaylee
2. Goes upstairs and kills them
3. The noise gets the attention of Xana who is still awake
4. Back on the main floor BK encounters Xana, backs her (chases her?) to her bedroom where she is killed and so is Ethan
5. BK then turns around and exits through the kitchen to the sliding door (and it's when he's on this route the roommate sees him).

The one question I have is why there wasn't a lot more noise when Xana first encountered BK or signs of some sort of struggle in the living room. Her bedroom is out of the way, down a hall from the living room. You wouldn't naturally pass the room coming down the stairs if you were going to exit through the sliding doors. But if there was some sort of encounter at the bottom of the stairs or in the living room, I feel like it would have been more audible to the roommate (who said she thought she heard Xana crying and a male voice saying he would help her and not much else).

Although, I also think when the roommate heard that Xana must have been in the living room or near the stairs, because I don't think the housemate would have been able to hear that if Xana was in her own bedroom (and the roommate was in her bedroom with the door closed) given the distance between the two rooms and the layout of the second floor.

Maybe what happened was Xana encountered BK in the living room or kitchen and he was threatening her with the knife telling her to be quiet - and that's why there wasn't a noisy altercation?

I have to say that the affidavit and the interior tour of the house that was posted have thrown off some of my priors because the details are all a bit different than i'd previously assumed.

IMO this is the right sequence, but I think BK heard X playing TikToks on her phone and thought she was awake or talking. He entered her room and had a big advantage - element of surprise, X was awake but had been drinking, was lying in bed etc. She fights back which is why she is out of bed, but with the type of injuries it wouldn't have taken long or been overly loud for BK to disable X. I think E slept through most of it and was just an unfortunate wrong place wrong time casualty

All IMO

 

[marloweclover]

On Page 4 of the AA it states that DM described the PERP as “not very muscular, but athletically built” (direct quote of the AA, not DM). That seems odd to me. While it certainly is possible that someone could be athletically built but not muscular, it seems like a fine distinction to be made, particularly under the circumstances – in the dark or semi-dark, about a person presumably clothed from head to toe, and, possibly in multiple layers given the weather, and by a frightened 20/21-year-old who only saw the PERP for a few seconds.

I wonder what caused DM to describe the person in this way or that led the LE to summarize it like that.

MOO

IMO that is how he looks to me too. Broad at the shoulder, tapers to the hips, has the frame to put a lot more muscle on, but hasn't lifted much if at all judging from his neck, forearms, etc. But I'm a certified trainer and a gym rat and I assess people like this all the time. It seems very discerning to pick up on it under those conditions. Maybe she pretty much meant "not squishy looking or short, but not like a D-1 athlete."

 

[jumpingjackflash]

. We might not know it, but security cameras at WSU parking lot could have a clear picture of him driving to Moscow and coming back in the wee hours of the morning Of the day of the murders, and also when BK went back to the scene around 9:00 a.m.

please let there be footage of him (1) limping into his apartment at 5:30am and (2) purchasing wound care items at albertson's later that day.

Edited to fix time of day BK went to Albertsons. The schedule this guy was keeping...

 

[Petunia83]

Geragos loses most of his high profile cases. Scott Peterson, Winona Ryder etc.

Baez wins his high profile cases. Casey Anthony, Aaron Hernandez.

I would be calling Jose Baez first if I am in trouble!

I’ll echo “I don’t have to like it”… but I totally agree… Despite the fact that Jose Baez is responsible for getting Casey Anthony acquitted (when IMHO, she’s a deplorable human who should be rotting behind bars), he still presents himself in a way that is confoundingly, but undeniably “likable” to people and jurors… seems counterintuitive, but I agree, I’d be calling Baez all day long… Geragos just comes off plain sleazy (IMO)… in his past cases, and in the statements he’s made about this case, and in defense of BK.

 

[Apmcd97]

Exactly, I'd be highly doubtful there would be any issue with the DNA being evidenced at trial

Nope it isn't admissible. After the genetic genealogy is completed, they then must get a direct sample from the suspect. They arrest the person via probable cause and then get their DNA.

 

[Petunia83]

I took a peek at Mad Greek's menu and in the top left-most corner it says "ask your server about our vegetarian and vegan options."
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Ah, good catch! I just skimmed the menu items and didn’t even see that fine print. I stand corrected.

 

[eloquence]

On Page 4 of the AA it states that DM described the PERP as “not very muscular, but athletically built” (direct quote of the AA, not DM). That seems odd to me. While it certainly is possible that someone could be athletically built but not muscular, it seems like a fine distinction to be made, particularly under the circumstances – in the dark or semi-dark, about a person presumably clothed from head to toe, and, possibly in multiple layers given the weather, and by a frightened 20/21-year-old who only saw the PERP for a few seconds.

I wonder what caused DM to describe the person in this way or that led the LE to summarize it like that.

MOO

IMO it's more of a Q&A type. I doubt DM described him just like that but she could tell he was fairly tall and not super skinny or super overweight. Sounds like she got a decent look at him - lots of undeserved shame for DM around the internet, but props to her for getting a great description of perp in a terrifying situation.

LE: "Was he very muscular?"
DM "No not really but tall"
LE "What was his body type - super skinny, overweight, athletic??"
DM "Yes, normal build"

 

[Montecore1]

We have seen countless pics on here of a K-Bar knife sheath, so we all know what it looks like.

Something that wasn't said in the PCA was if the sheath was a right handed or a left handed sheath...yes they do make both for obvious reasons

Do we know if BCK is a righty or lefty? The found sheath may hold more insight than just DNA. Here's my point, if he is a lefty and its a lefthanded sheath would be more incriminating due to the rarity

Now how about this...we are all wondering why and how could it be dropped at the scene? If it was worn correctly with a belt looped thru it, it would be next to impossible to fall off, basically no way. But if the killer was using a sheath not designed for his correct dexterity or dominate hand the killer may not have had it attached to his belt as designed because it would have been either backwards or awkward to un-sheath the knife quickly, so he may of just had it stuffed in his pocket reversed for easy pull out...also causing the loses of said sheath.

Just a random thought...hope in makes sense

 

[eloquence]

The only thing that confuses me about this theory (that she didn't realise what was going on and just thought this was a random party guy etc) is why did DM call all her friends over and then an unconscious person was reported if she didn't think anything bad happened? She can't have left the room either unless she did find the victims, but then she'd probably call the police right away and not her friends and then it wouldn't be an unconscious person it would be a deceased/stabbed person.

BF also could have been the one to call friends over. Or DM had friends planning to come over and she slept late due to the events of the night before - sounds like a lot of people had access to the house

Also IMO unconscious was just a 911 term - "are they conscious? no?" rather than necessarily a term the 911 caller led with. They might have been pretty clearly dead but that's not the 911 officer's duty to declare them dead, EMS will still hustle over there and see if anyone can be saved

 

[kellala]

very possible

fact that she gave a lot of detail but affidavit doesn't add a description of his hair colour & style ( standard in police questioning) makes me think he covered his hair

He thought he had all his bases covered, but he didn't consider that he has a very prominent brow & deep-set eyes and so DM noticed that. As @drmrgrl posted, he'd have been better off with maybe a balaclava or ski mask.

somehow my first impression if I have to compare him to a celebrity is Daniel Day-Lewis. The female version is Jennifer Connely. The hair, eyebrow, eye, lips, bone, muscle, face. In Elizbeth smart case, her sister suddenly remembered the kidnappers face when she was a picture/drawing of a muscular women. You never know what can suddenly help to recall an important piece of memory. The two things I discussed above are just some mindless chats.

 

[Apmcd97]

The PCA does not say the mask ONLY covered the mouth and nose. Words matter, and small mistakes are how bad info gets started.

I also assumed it only covered his mouth and nose tbh. If his eyebrows were visible then it's unlikely to have been a mask with only the eyes cut out as they cut off before the brow

 

[cottonweaver]

IMO that is how he looks to me too. Broad at the shoulder, tapers to the hips, has the frame to put a lot more muscle on, but hasn't lifted much if at all judging from his neck, forearms, etc. But I'm a certified trainer and a gym rat and I assess people like this all the time. It seems very discerning to pick up on it under those conditions. Maybe she pretty much meant "not squishy looking or short, but not like a D-1 athlete."

those forearms really stood out to me & wondered if he was conscious of them ( considering what the forensic psychs & profilers have been speculating about his sense of emasculation & his previous drives for strength such as through taking up boxing)

 

[minazoe]

I hope they are keeping a good eye on Brian. I worry..also I hope they are more careful than they have ever been because he is in all probability a highly dangerous homicidal maniac and should be super maxed.. they emptied an entire airport just to take him for a bathroom break. I just worry..It's a small town and I have visions of him escaping through ceiling tiles or out a window like Bundy..maybe I have an overactive imagination..but he is so dangerous and has shown what he is capable of, murdering 4 people including a healthy young male in 10-15 minutes time. Thats no joke.

praying for the safety of LE in Moscow ID.

mOO

 

[SuziQ]

The only thing that confuses me about this theory (that she didn't realise what was going on and just thought this was a random party guy etc) is why did DM call all her friends over and then an unconscious person was reported if she didn't think anything bad happened? She can't have left the room either unless she did find the victims, but then she'd probably call the police right away and not her friends and then it wouldn't be an unconscious person it would be a deceased/stabbed person.

The unconscious person is from 7 hours later when they had found the victims and called 911 and freaked out. I don't think LE stated she called friends over. I'm going to guess the surviving roommates, late morning, ran out screaming and people in the area came over Doesn't it make more since that DM didn't call 911 at 4:20am, because she didn't know what had happened? Most people would call 911...if they knew. Not all, but most would. Imo.

 

[SuziQ]

But if that’s true then why not kill D too? I don’t think he didn’t see her.

But that's the only thing that makes sense to me. He didn't see her, or she would be dead. Imo.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Just coming here to say that @Tealgrove you called it in regards to the sheath. I always value your posts. November 16th you speculated that he could have left the sheath behind. Before reading that I never even knew that knives had sheaths! ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022

I also remember feeling confident LE had someone early on and then that feeling changed somewhat. I think I understand why that feeling changed now.

Always thankful for the intelligent posters here at WS. Thanks for contributing your knowledge as we researched this case.