ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 58

[Orlaam]

I just want to highlight that the PCA states on page 6: “Suspect Vehicle I is next seen departing the area oftle King Road Residence at approximately 4:20 a.m. at a high rate of speed. Suspect Vehicle I is next observed traveling southbound on Walenta Drive.”

Everyone is quoting 4:20am as an absolute, but the word “approximately” qualifies that time. You can’t accurately count minutes when the word approximately is used. At least, not yet. IMO.

They also state that King Rd is east/west, when it runs north/south.

 

[Gardenista]

They also state that King Rd is east/west, when it runs north/south.

Gray Hughes showed this on his channel, but he's done so many videos, I can't remember which one. Part of King runs east/west.

 

[NCgardener]

Now that the Affidavit contents have been disclosed, along with a few other heretofore nondisclosed pieces of info, I'll assume everyone is well versed on what is being released to the public to date. I'm a bit troubled by the absence of detail one would expect to find, however, that doesn't mean there isn't detail, it simply means if there is detail, it has yet to be disclosed. Question: is anyone similarly troubled by the timeline of the suspect's vehicle entry into the King Road neighborhood and the exit of the suspect's vehicle out of the neighborhood? According to the affidavit, suspect vehicle was observed moving into the King Road neighborhood at 4:04 AM. No detail as to how close to the house, no definition of King Road neighborhood. Next, is the statement that suspect vehicle is observed leaving the King Road neighborhood at 4:20 AM at a high rate of speed. Again, no detail. The observations were captured from security video and both captures were of the suspect vehicle moving. Troubling is that the suspect would need to park, get out, enter house, kill 4 peeople, get out of the house, get back to car and get inside it, and leave. The surviving roommate describes an athletic build of a man walking. Not running or moving fast. Most of the news reports describe BK as skinny, not athletic. But - individual observations are very subjective. The surviving roommate might consider athletic what others consider skinny. Unimportant. What troubles me is the timeframe - especially in light of additional information revealing that one roommate was downstairs in the kitchen leaving a DoorDash bag on the counter, perhaps taking contents back up to her room to eat and play on her phone between 4:00 AM and 4:12AM. There are other tidbits of info that suggest activity other than sleeping of at least 2 of the victims. It appears there would be a bit of struggle between the suspect and 2 of the victims which would eat up a few minutes. Considering the minutes available to the suspect in order to accomplish the slaughter of the 4 victims, any thoughts?

Imo from watching CourtTV at the scene, that little road is very short. From the apartment turnaround spot to the 3-point turn spot only took them 36 seconds driving slowly.

It seems like he must have parked at the apartments. I'd estimate a minute walk, max.

If the 4:04 was when the car last passed 1112's camera on its way, that's 16 seconds to drive to the apartments. Call it a total of 30 to also park.

Add a minute to walk to the house. You have 4:05:30. Or call it 2 min: 4:06.

Take 2 minutes at the end: 4:18.

That leaves 12 minutes to kill 4 people. 3 minutes is actually a pretty long time to be stabbing someone, imo.

 

[Helechawagirl]

God bless you for your excellent perspective.

Well said! Excellent!

 

[jumpingjackflash]

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It could be a kn-95 or surgical mask. it could be a balaclava. it could be a balaclava-style ski mask that allows you to pull the bottom piece of fabric up so that it covers your nose and mouth or down so that it rests under your chin. To me, the latter two seem to align better with the image he was trying to project. There may also be other styles of masks that I'm not thinking of right now that fit the bill.

 

[Orlaam]

Gray Hughes showed this on his channel, but he's done so many videos, I can't remember which one. Part of King runs east/west.

How could it? It's just a tiny little section.

 

[Murphy1950]

Nancy Grace is unreliable.

Also BK didn't drive an hour to Johnson, ID. That was a typo in the affidavit. His cell phone pinged in Johnson, WA.

Another typo was "Uniontown, ID" should be WA

Unreliable...source? You may not like her..a lot of people don't but not sure unreliable fits.

IMO...

They didn’t have to wait for dad’s DNA until Bryan came home, makes no sense. By that point in time, they would most likely have Bryans in the same trash, why bother with dads? I believe that they already had his dad’s DNA much earlier.

The students were stabbed Nov 13th, it wouldn’t make sense to me not to try and verify their best clue(a match to DNA on the sheath) until 6 weeks later. If they didn’t know they a had a match I can’t imagine why they had so much invested in him already …data downloads, money, time, and emotion.

Bryan headed home with his dad in the car Dec 15th, surely they could have got dad’s DNA off a throw away cup or something along the way if they didn’t already have it.

I think they were hoping for one more major mistake…selling the car, tossing the weapon. Why not? He did everything short of leaving an autograph picture at the scene.

And it may well be in the trash…remember

 

[NuttMegg]

But if the battle was in the living room/kitchen area, i feel like the surviving roommate would have heard it??? This is why I'm wondering if the chronology was that BK was upstairs killing Kaylee and Maddie, Xana was still awake and heard something, and was in the living room area while BK was coming downstairs - BK then threatens Xana with the knife telling her to keep quiet and ushers her back towards her bedroom - this would explain the why the roommate didn't hear a big battle basically outside her bedroom and why Xana and Ethan ended up being killed in Xana's bedroom.

I think the part that is a bit confusing right now is how BK ended up in Xana's room killing her and Ethan. When you look at the online 'tour' of the house, her bedroom is out of the way and there is not a easy exit without circling back through the 2nd floor like BK ended up doing.

If you remove Xana from the equation for a minute, the easiest thing for him to do is, having just killed two people, come downstairs and immediately exit through the kitchen. But that's obviously not what happened. The other thing to keep in mind is he didn't kill Xana in the kitchen or the living room - which would have have been the straightforward move if she'd confronted him at the bottom of the stairs.

Obviously there is a still a lot of missing evidence (was far as we're concerned) - and this is the part i'm interested to learn about.

Edited to add - how are we thinking he entered - through the sliding doors?

Maybe someone win weigh in on which door. I still assume it was in and out the sliding door. And the door dash to the front door.

I don't know why Xana wouldn't have had her room light on, if she was ordering food, and coming and going from the room to get the food. If she had her light on, the killer should have seen it. And if she got up because she heard something, I'd think she would have turned the light on then.

 

[rahod1]

Considering the minutes available to the suspect in order to accomplish the slaughter of the 4 victims, any thoughts?

There appears to have been 10 MIN available to the killer. Take a stop watch and click off that period of time while you wait. It's a LONG PERIOD OF TIME and certainly sufficient to kill four unarmed people in a compromised state. MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

I used to think coverall, but D said dressed all in black... are there black coveralls? I have only seen tyvek white ones. IMO.

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[Helechawagirl]

Imo from watching CourtTV at the scene, that little road is very short. From the apartment turnaround spot to the 3-point turn spot only took them 36 seconds driving slowly.

It seems like he must have parked at the apartments. I'd estimate a minute walk, max.

If the 4:04 was when the car last passed 1112's camera on its way, that's 16 seconds to drive to the apartments. Call it a total of 30 to also park.

Add a minute to walk to the house. You have 4:05:30. Or call it 2 min: 4:06.

Take 2 minutes at the end: 4:18.

That leaves 12 minutes to kill 4 people. 3 minutes is actually a pretty long time to be stabbing someone, imo.

It bothers me as well—but I am short and move a lot slower than someone a foot taller. I wondered if there was another person with him, or even a getaway driver, but if he was pumped up on adrenaline or drugs then I suppose it’s possible. If u have the stomach for it, go to Twitter and search mall stabbing. Guy gets stabbed in the neck and is down in less than a minute—and not one sound. It changed my thinking. JMO.

 

[WildWest]

I again saw the suggestion that the intent of BK was rape. The knife that he brought has a blood groove, IMO one function of this is so that the knife can be extracted with less suction & can be reinserted quickly (it also makes it lighter). There are many places where you can find knife owners discussing and debating the function and benefits of a blood groove. IMO he came there to kill.

As far as using the sheath on his belt, opening his belt & having the sheath fall off...He would have used the leather belt loop to secure it to his belt behind the first, or even second, cloth loop on his pants. Additionally, the sheath and knife would have been unwieldy. I am not going to assume that he actually ever had it attached to his pants. I think he probably wore a bunny suit or coveralls on top of his clothing, or even a very large hoodie with a front pocket.

I do think that he may use "intent to rape" as a way to avoid admitting to entering that house with the intent to murder. IMO he was adept at stalking this group, he probably had many better opportunities to be alone with his intended victim, if rape and rape only, were the goal.

Thank you on the info on blood groove. Yikes!

 

[passionflower]

January 12,2023 next court date

 

[jumpingjackflash]

Imo from watching CourtTV at the scene, that little road is very short. From the apartment turnaround spot to the 3-point turn spot only took them 36 seconds driving slowly.

It seems like he must have parked at the apartments. I'd estimate a minute walk, max.

If the 4:04 was when the car last passed 1112's camera on its way, that's 16 seconds to drive to the apartments. Call it a total of 30 to also park.

Add a minute to walk to the house. You have 4:05:30. Or call it 2 min: 4:06.

Take 2 minutes at the end: 4:18.

That leaves 12 minutes to kill 4 people. 3 minutes is actually a pretty long time to be stabbing someone, imo.

12 minutes seems very plausible to me. Especially if the knife used was a ka-bar or similar style knife. I think if the killings had been more drawn out DM likely would have recollected hearing additional dialogue and noises.

Edited to note that DM may still have heard more than appears in the PCA. There would be no reason to go into detail about the victims' final moments unless the details implicated BK.

 

[mzmarymac]

But if that’s true then why not kill D too? I don’t think he didn’t see her.

I think if he saw her he would have killed her, but who knows.

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

Watching 48 Hours. BK told friends he could go to clubs and get any girl he wanted.

ICK

I think he was talking about the clubs in tijuana.

 

[zoomom2]

This confuses me. How is that breaking news?

They stated in the PCA that they found important DNA evidence in the trash - his dad's DNA which 99.9998% of the male population would be expected to be excluded from the possibility of being the suspect's biological father.

What would really have been significant would be if the victims' DNA was found in items recovered from the trash. That would be news.

And maybe they did. On the clean up rags. That would be fabulous.

 

[rahod1]

I didn’t realize that Ethan was such a large guy. He could of over powered BCK so he was probably in bed.formerly he worked at a tulip farm and the farm is going to have a special tulip (yellow and white) in his honor

Even if he was awake...any initial penetration by that knife would have placed him at a HUGE disadvantage from the get go. Internal bleeding cascades quickly into a slippery slope of unconsciousness.

 

[Gemmie]

I think it was very personal against one of the girls. But I can't imagine stalking (imo) as he did for so many trips near the house, how could a grown man be so infuriated by a rejection? Especially if there never had been a relationship except maybe in his own mind. I'm lost on how this could fester in someone way beyond his teens.

BBMFF

Plain and simply put.... Grown in size and years. NOT grown in maturity.

 

[MsBetsy]

Stepping in to say, I read this yesterday. Another prisoner gave a long harangue (imo) about BK yelling and exposing himself and lifting his shirt and cursing. Later yesterday, I read an article quoting a guard who said none of that was true and he was well-behaved. IIRC, both articles were in The Daily Mail, so. . .

I don't think any of it's true because I don't believe BK would have said a word after his arrest. He was reported to have been silent, lying down and facing the wall.