ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 60

[Seattle1]

Some jails allow you to keep your own shoes.

I believe an adult in custody (AIC) is allowed to keep their own shoes only if they are expected to be bailed soon and remain in a holding cell.

I'm aware some facilities allow Inmates to purchase their own AIC-approved shoes from the commissary but I find it doubtful any facility would allow an inmate to keep and wear their own street shoes while an inmate.

If OP knows differently, please share the link.

You can lose your life on the outside for the shoes on your feet!

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm equating muscle memory and typical work-outs beforehand. There aren't many knife classes, but the ones I've observed use (basically) upper cuts, jabs, etc and put a very strong emphasis on arm strength, torso strength and quickness.

Is that not common to both?

My point is that he didn't take up tennis or ping-pong. He didn't just life weights. He did boxing/kickboxing - similar moves, imo, as someone who has some background in forensic knife wounds.

IMO.

There's a very good reason that a knife and a gun are called "equalizers".

 

[Miss Jennifer]

One puzzling question tho, why did Murphy not have any blood on him? As SG describes his daughter's injuries as being significantly different than M's.

I would just cringe to see the aftermath of that room, you know there's blood absolutely everywhere.

IMO, Murphy was sleeping/lying on the floor next to the bed where M and K were sleeping in M's room. BK quietly summoned Murphy or Murphy heard a noise and entered the hallway, and BK placed him in K's room and shut the door.

This would explain, "The bedroom on the west side of the floor was later determined to be Kaylee Goncalves, hereafter "Goncalves," room. I later learned (from review of Officer Nunes' body camera) there was a dog in the room when Moscow Police Officers initially responded" via the PCA page 2.

 

[Walela]

Me? I can't imagine why he didn't abandon his plans when he saw the Door Dash delivery take place, that certainly meant that someone was awake.

IMO, his plan was in motion, no chance to put it off, Monday had to be in class, it had to be now, his "kill" switch was tripped and he couldn't stop himself, he would kill whoever was awake and he did just that.

jmo

 

[debbiediablo]

I'm talking about the reason his father did it. It's been debated and debated and all we got was varying opinions. There are media reports (posted in the media thread, sorry don't have them handy but will look for them) that the trip was pre-planned.

I can see me driving cross-country with one of my kids. I drove over a million miles over nineteen rural school districts and then across ten counties for a major midwestern university. I love to drive and can totally relax as hundreds of miles roll by. So the journey doesn't seem odd to me, but there's one moment midway through the traffic stop bodycam where Bryan and Michael make eye contact, and I'd swear an unspoken message passes between them. I haven't decided what that message might be. MOO

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

The problem here is the word "planned." When normal people say that, we imagine a logical, coherent, reasonable mind setting a goal and then planning steps, imagining obstacles, and arriving at a "plan." The sort of people who do mass murder do not think the way we think. I've referenced Cullen's book on Columbine here before; he describes in detail the "plans" one of the killers made, intending to slaughter 500+ people by setting off bombs in the school. It's a lucky thing for many that the bombs were duds and he/they failed. It wasn't for lack of "planning." It's that these people are not like us. They are wired differently mentally and emotionally. Their "motives" and "plans" do not resemble what we call motives and plans. I mean, if someone STARTS with the thought, "I'm going to break into a house and kill all the college kids living there," what plan, exactly, is going to make sense when the objective is monstrous, malignant, and inhuman. We realize that what he intended to do was horrific and nothing we would ever consider but we miss that his other decision-making processes are similarly distorted. Not all of them get caught, but not all of them decide to slaughter 4 people in one house either, in the era of DNA, forensic genealogy and mass surveillance.

Thank you for your helpful thoughts, Pittsburghgirl.

A good reminder that people who commit these horrific crimes are not wired like us mentally and emotionally, and their motives and plans for committing such a monstrous crime are far removed from what we would consider normal.

And, a person who has a "plan" of committing such a monstrous and inhuman crime actually isn't really capable of coherent, logical and reasonable planning.

This explains so well how a person immersed in criminology could have made so many basic mistakes and had such a flawed "plan" that was filled with poor judgement and a clear lack of critical thinking skills.

Since anybody planning to commit such a monstrous crime has unimaginably distorted thinking, it only stands to reason that their ability to "plan" and think critically is also extremely flawed and distorted.

Thanks for your helpful insights!

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I am trying to match up dates to see if it makes sense that BK is the guy posting on the Visual Snow forum. (See: Original Visual-Snow or Static forum-Can you relate?)
In July 2011, the poster states that he has lost half his body weight (and he looks thin in avatar photo) but in July 2011 BK would have been between sophomore and junior year of high school. His high school friends have stated he lost weight the summer prior to senior year (summer of 2012). If they are correct, he would still be overweight in July 2011.
Here is an article that shows him overweight in his sophomore year from 2011 yearbook: Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger wanted to be Army Ranger, yearbook reveals
Here is an article where past friends talk about when he lost weight "Mcloughlin said Kohberger, 28, had been a “down to earth” and overweight teen when they wrapped up their junior year. When they started their senior year, Kohberger was “thinner than a rail” and developed an “aggressive” personality." : Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger turned ‘aggressive’ in high school: former friend
They could be wrong in their recollection but it suggests BK may not be the poster on the forum.

For what it's worth, people may fudge ages, dates, etc. to prevent people from linking their post to their actual identity. I post on a forum for people in trauma where I routinely refer to my cousin as my "sister" because I don't want to give away anything too specific in the event my X might be lurking. It's a way to tell the basic truth of a relationship (we are as close as sisters, a year apart and raised 2 blocks from each other) while bolstering anonymity. I'm not changing details to hide criminal activity but rather to protect myself from a bad person but I can see that would be a way to tell his story while hiding in plain sight.

 

[lonetraveler]

Maybe there doesn’t need a justification. Some people have parents that will do things like that for them, to keep them company, spend time with them. MOO

Not buying it but I respect your opinion.

 

[10ofRods]

Unfortunately I was also friends with a murderer and you’re absolutely right.

The kid who lived one street over and two houses down from me killed his parents one morning. He was almost invisible in our neighborhood and I don't recall him even trying to play with us. But I felt guilty that I hadn't befriended him (I was 3 years older, which was a big barrier back then).

He rode my school bus. Quiet good-looking kid, did well enough in his freshman year, but shy or withdrawn. This was a small town, it made a big impression on me.

I felt I should have been his friend - but I'm pretty sure there was no way to help at the time.

 

[WildWest]

Murphy was put in a separate room either before or after the fact. Not sure if he had already been in there or if he was put in there during/after but he was found in separate space

Or he went and hid in his owners bedroom too afraid to come out.

 

[debbiediablo]

IMO, his plan was in motion, no chance to put it off, Monday had to be in class, it had to be now, his "kill" switch was tripped and he couldn't stop himself, he would kill whoever was awake and he did just that.

jmo

And Kaylee was leaving the house forever or at least a very long time.

 

[ReyInVA]

One puzzling question tho, why did Murphy not have any blood on him? As SG describes his daughter's injuries as being significantly different than M's.

I would just cringe to see the aftermath of that room, you know there's blood absolutely everywhere.

Officers found Murphy closed up in K’s room. She wasn’t killed in there so it wasn’t all bloody. IMO

 

[layer]

"Silencers" are called suppressors now, because they really aren't silent. A really good one can dampen the sound a decent amount, but they are also very expensive. For a 9mm pistol, anywhere from $1,000 and up for a really good one. And that's assuming he already owned a handgun. And you need a special permit for suppressors. I don't know about the secondary market but it can be risky buying a used one if you don't know what you're doing.

Exactly! You have to file the forms, include fingerprints, pay the $200 tax stamp, and wait 6 months to a year to get approved. And they aren't silent at all. The videos they have on YT are misleading because the microphones on cameras automatically buffer the sound. There are some 22 supressors that are pretty quiet, but you have to use sub-sonic ammunition because when the projectile breaks the sound barrier there is a mini sonic boom - a loud crack completely separate from the sound of firing the round. In addition not just any gun will accept a supressor, you need a gun with a threaded barrel. And buying one illegally is super risky business, akin to hiring a hit man. More likely than not you are going to be buying it from a federal agent.

 

[lonetraveler]

Here's the thing, we have no idea what he thinks about himself yet.

That's why I said that I think that maybe he thinks he is God.

 

[elainebenice]

Me? I can't imagine why he didn't abandon his plans when he saw the Door Dash delivery take place, that certainly meant that someone was awake.

I agree, but I think there's a possibility he was more excited about it because of that reason, however sick that may be. That's the only thing I've been able to come up with so far

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

IMO, his plan was in motion, no chance to put it off, Monday had to be in class, it had to be now, his "kill" switch was tripped and he couldn't stop himself, he would kill whoever was awake and he did just that.

jmo

If the Door Dash delivery person came to the front door right at 4 pm, it's possible that BK may not have seen him since BK was parking and coming in the back entrance at 4:04 pm.

 

[kellala]

Intelligence doesn't necessarily mean that they have common sense.

He actually went a community college after HS, and then an online master degree. I think his book smart is alright but nothing impressive.

 

[WingsOverTX]

I think he thought he was smarter than God.

Yes. The power of LIFE and DEATH.

 

[debbiediablo]

The kid who lived one street over and two houses down from me killed his parents one morning. He was almost invisible in our neighborhood and I don't recall him even trying to play with us. But I felt guilty that I hadn't befriended him (I was 3 years older, which was a big barrier back then).

He rode my school bus. Quiet good-looking kid, did well enough in his freshman year, but shy or withdrawn. This was a small town, it made a big impression on me.

I felt I should have been his friend - but I'm pretty sure there was no way to help at the time.

Not that you should feel even a smidge of guilt, but sometimes all it takes is just one person at the right time to make all the difference in a child's life. Which all adults should remember and all children should be taught. This has been my mantra for over 40 years.

 

[jepop]

One puzzling question tho, why did Murphy not have any blood on him? As SG describes his daughter's injuries as being significantly different than M's.

I would just cringe to see the aftermath of that room, you know there's blood absolutely everywhere.

I've seen posters here reference occams razor (something about the most obvious answer often being the right one?) and I think it (IMO) it applies here. So Murphy had no blood on him cos he wasn't in the roorm at the time the murders took place IMO.