ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 60

[Bhodie]

Yes, thanks, I too think those are prison shoes, (no shoe laces), I was just letting the OP I responded to know that a long time ago that's what Vans looked like.

ETA, I hope they found those shoes and they're part of evidence!

You know, you are right way back Vans were slip on no laces but I am sure LE would be cognizant enough to collect the attire he was arrested in for evidence. Just wondering if they collected any of the other belongings he brought with him to his parent's home

 

[Sleuth2010]

I really hope investigators are looking into his past. (We know they are.) His past relationships with long term and short term girlfriends and friends and what the dynamics were. If ??? there were any long term or short term relationships. I said before and I'll say it again, he has done something like this in the past. He needs to be looked at for missing people, anything like this everywhere he has been in the last 10/15 years. Jmoo

Spot on. There have been " blade murders," several in Oregon. David Grubbs lived in Ashland, Oregon (college town) and was beheaded. Open-unsolved 10 years... a sweet young man, singer and working at the local grocery. Walking thru the park/bike path going home one early evening.

Hard to think this killer was not experienced... hope for Justice - - - and DNA hits. CODIS and general public DNA tests

 

[mendicant]

On the night, the killer acted alone but I do think he conferred with someone beforehand.

There's more to come.

 

[Boodles]

Was it confirmed Z was actually the one that ordered Door Dash from her own account? Or was it did SOMEONE else order it for her?

From PCA and BBM: “D.M. and B.F. both made statements during interviews that indicated the occupants of the King Road Residence were at home by 2:00 a-m. and asleep or at least in their rooms by approximately 4:00 a.m. This is with the exception of Kernodle, who received a DoorDash order at the residence at approximately 4:00 a.m. (law enforcement identified the DoorDash delivery driver who reported this information).”

She received the DD order. It’s not stated who ordered.

Why? What are you thinking?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I wonder if he was casing other homes in Moscow and stalking other potential victims, or if he had fixated exclusively on the residents of the King Road home. I find it terrifying to think how many people he may have had in his sights.

Interesting thought. Multiple unrelated targets. Perhaps the victims were only one set BK was looking at and they were targeted first for some unknown reason. JMO.

 

[cottonweaver]

I wonder if he was casing other homes in Moscow and stalking other potential victims, or if he had fixated exclusively on the residents of the King Road home. I find it terrifying to think how many people he may have had in his sights.

Also, in that PCA, it states that when LE did the second subpoena for a broader search for his phone, they were looking for evidence of his movements and also looking for evidence of any contact/ connection he'd made with the residents of 1122.
They don't seem to have found any on that particular phone ( at the time of submitting the PCA )

This 2nd sub revealed the 12 visits to the area

 

[Leve]

You know, you are right way back Vans were slip on no laces but I am sure LE would be cognizant enough to collect the attire he was arrested in for evidence. Just wondering if they collected any of the other belongings he brought with him to his parent's home

Getting sidetracked but apparently y'all don't have teenagers. Last year I spent lots of money on slip on no laces Vans. This year she's all about high top Converse.

 

[MsBetsy]

IMO, can't think of a more compelling reason for BK to want to have his car at home with him in PA over 2,000 miles away for the holidays before returning to school in Idaho if it was used in the murders & later was seized by LE. Then a few weeks later drive it all the way back to Idaho on his own?, or was he cleaning it at 4 am at his parents house & putting the waste in their neighbors trash can to get it ready to sell to someone on Craigs List? JMO

He probably didn't want to be stuck home with his parents for a month. The idea of having no freedom to go where he pleased was probably not appealing to him.

 

[kittythehare]

New York and New Jersey both border North Eastern PA.

that could be an awful lot of knife murders..?
and not necessarily knives either..

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Also, in that PCA, it states that when LE did the second subpoena for a broader search for his phone, they were looking for evidence of his movements and also looking for evidence of any contact/ connection he'd made with the residents of 1122.
They don't seem to have found any on that particular phone ( at the time of submitting the PCA )

This 2nd sub revealed the 12 visits to the area

So basically BK made no calls or texts to the victims with the 8548 phone. That doesn't surprise me. JMO.

 

[isabella88]

IMO, are you sure the shoes are gone? It looked like BK was wearing Vans shoes when he got off the plane in Idaho.

Not Vans. This is likely the type of shoe he was wearing: https://www.unicor.gov/Product.aspx?idProduct=4432

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

So wasn’t it mentioned one of BK’s areas of study was data something? Anyone recall? Wondering what that is exactly.

Was it data retrieval from digital sources or something similar? IMO

 

[jepop]

Also, in that PCA, it states that when LE did the second subpoena for a broader search for his phone, they were looking for evidence of his movements and also looking for evidence of any contact/ connection he'd made with the residents of 1122.
They don't seem to have found any on that particular phone ( at the time of submitting the PCA )

This 2nd sub revealed the 12 visits to the area

I think, IMO, the PCA mentions warrants only for data related to which towers BK's phone was pinging off for data usage and when. Used to help track his movements in 24 hours either side of the murder and then more broadly between June and Nov 13th. In tracking movements the intention may also have been to ascertain/test/follow up on whether any of the movements could be traced to support him having some kind of contact with one/some of the victims (perhaps being able to prove BK close to the restaurant where 2 of the victims worked for e.g?).IMO.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett%20Payne.pdf

I'd imagine, though I have no expert knowledge so this is just IMO, that now that he has been arrested investigators will being able to and may have already got warrants to access all his digital data? Not sure, but texts, calls, phone searches etc. Happy to be corrected/learn more.

ETA, Because, before the PCA and subsequent arrest, LE did not have the actual phone, only data they received under warrant from the provider IMO

 

[BondGirl007]

New York and New Jersey both border North Eastern PA.

Maryland? West Virginia, Ohio?

 

[cottonweaver]

So basically BK made no calls or texts to the victims with the 8548 phone. That doesn't surprise me. JMO.

that's how I interpret this line, yes

However IDK from that paragraph whether, at the same time, they checked the phone to see if BK had also been checking the victims SM accounts etc or, if they did, they would include that in the PCA at this time.


link, page 17 122922 Affidavit - Exhibit A - Statement of Brett Payne.pdf | PDF Host

 

[isabella88]

Here's a transcript of that 48 Hours episode about these murders, for anyone who would rather read it:

Never-before-seen photos and details about the man accused of murdering four Idaho college students

A portrait of Bryan Kolberger from people who were once close to the alleged killer.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[isabella88]

Maryland? West Virginia, Ohio?

NY, NJ, DE, MD, OH, WV

 

[TeaTime]

I really hope investigators are looking into his past. (We know they are.) His past relationships with long term and short term girlfriends and friends and what the dynamics were. If ??? there were any long term or short term relationships. I said before and I'll say it again, he has done something like this in the past. He needs to be looked at for missing people, anything like this everywhere he has been in the last 10/15 years. Jmoo

His DNA is in CODIS now. Who knows what it will reveal?

You know, you are right way back Vans were slip on no laces but I am sure LE would be cognizant enough to collect the attire he was arrested in for evidence. Just wondering if they collected any of the other belongings he brought with him to his parent's home

Yes. They would take everything.

 

[rahod1]

You're coming very close to saying that I don't have common sense. So I will say that I asked for a source for something you stated as fact, without a link, and you didn't want to give it.

I agree that it's unlikely - but nothing about this case is likely.

Instead, you imply that I lack common sense, logic and knowledge of arrest procedure.

We theorize lots of things here, but it's great to have actual documentation. Keep in mind that the latent footprint evidence may not have been known to PA LE and this all happened fairly quickly.

I figure he had already disposed of them, but if he was still in possession of or wearing Van's by the time he was arrested, I'd like to know. I am aware that sometime between arrest minute and arrival in Idaho, someone would have taken them into evidence, but I'd like to see it verified.

That's all. Not everything goes down in a case like this according to logic.

Bottom line...LE would never let him wear any shoes other than what they put on his feet after he was arrested. Whatever he was wearing at the time of arrest was taken into evidence. Common sense isn't even an issue here. MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

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that's how I interpret this line, yes

However IDK from that paragraph whether, at the same time, they checked the phone to see if BK had also been checking the victims SM accounts etc or, if they did, they would include that in the PCA at this time.

The phrase "contact with any of the victim's associates" is interesting. Was LE looking to see if BK knew any of the victims coworkers or friends? JMO.