ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 63

[steeltowngirl]

He likely did not shave himself but was shaved by staff.
Do we really think they gave a guy accused of stabbing four people to death a razor blade?

I’m guessing No


JMO

The local sheriff in Moscow, Idaho, has an explanation for why Bryan Kohberger’s face was riddled with cuts at his last court date: He just had a bad shave! Latah County Sheriff Richie Skiles confirmed the botched shave in a text message to The Daily Beast on Thursday shortly after the alleged killer exited court, where a judge determined his preliminary hearing won’t be held until June 26. Skiles would not say what type of razor Kohberger has access to in jail or whether the 28-year-old is on suicide watch. Kohberger is being held without bail for the grisly slaying of four University of Idaho students in November.

Bryan Kohberger’s Facial Cuts Are From a Bad Shave: Sheriff

When the alleged killer appeared in court Thursday, many were quick to spot a series of large cuts on his face.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[stg]

someone pls clarify, I am wondering if the court date set for late June is the actual trial or just the prelim hearing where he makes his plea (guilty /not G) and the judge decides whether a trial is required then. He preferred to wait months rather than do this in 14 days , what could that mean.

It is the preliminary hearing. I read it may take days as evidence is presented.

 

[Ceska]

does he have to interact with other inmates and have cell mates or is he in solitary.

Wouldnt wish any brutality being inflicted even on convicted inmates. The cuts are ... unsettling.

Good question, I think jail is a bit different from prison in that there is not a "yard" where inmates can go into, so maybe they do not get out and mingle as much in jail. I wonder too if maybe he keeps to himself. It was reported on the news (on TV or I would provide a link) that the cuts were from shaving.

 

[steeltowngirl]

someone pls clarify, I am wondering if the court date set for late June is the actual trial or just the prelim hearing where he makes his plea (guilty /not G) and the judge decides whether a trial is required then. He preferred to wait months rather than do this in 14 days , what could that mean.

“The upcoming preliminary hearing, when both sides will have the chance to provide evidence and call witnesses to the stand, will last about five days and decide whether there is reasonable cause to believe that the Kohberger committed a crime.”

Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger's Preliminary Hearing Set

In court, Kohberger, 28, waived his right to a speedy probable cause hearing

time.com

 

[Justice101]

<modsnip - No link to statistics>
He had a knife designed to kill people and due to its design of having a very good handguard/hilt -- to do so without harming his hands.

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Agree. Most killers who have hand cuts from the blade are grabbing random kitchen knives that don't have a hilt and given the force, their hand will slip up and onto the blade.

IMO, the only other chance for DNA other than on the knife sheath would be from either his sweat or on the victims fingers from potentially touching him.

They almost have enough evidence to convict... they have a homerun now. They'd have a grand slam if they found any of the victim's DNA in any of the discarded car cleaning stuff from Pennsylvania.

 

[Ceska]

someone pls clarify, I am wondering if the court date set for late June is the actual trial or just the prelim hearing where he makes his plea (guilty /not G) and the judge decides whether a trial is required then. He preferred to wait months rather than do this in 14 days , what could that mean.

It is a hearing. I imagine they wanted to wait those months so that they can prepare for their case.

Idaho murders trial: Brian Kohberger's next court date revealed

The man accused of killing four University of Idaho students was back in court Thursday morning for a preliminary status hearing.

www.fox6now.com

 

[cottonweaver]

I haven't seen a co-defendant request as a boilerplate discovery request before - but I don't practice criminal law.

My intrigue comes from the combination of him asking if someone else was arrested and then a specific request for co-defendant info when we know there isn't a co-defendant. Yes, it could just be throwing everything into the request at once. Just is interesting to me when the two are looked at together. MOO is that he's trying to create reasonable doubt in the media by alluding to the fact that there is someone else involved.

just re the bold

While he doesn't practice much criminal law personally within his firm, Peter Tragos said he thinks it probably is boilerplate which is getting misinterpreted
( It also threw me off momentarily)

WFLA News Channel link:

 

[Helechawagirl]

someone pls clarify, I am wondering if the court date set for late June is the actual trial or just the prelim hearing where he makes his plea (guilty /not G) and the judge decides whether a trial is required then. He preferred to wait months rather than do this in 14 days , what could that mean.

It could mean the defense wants to drag this out to allow emotions to die down. JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

I have a question related to getting inside his head as to why did this happen / what was he thinking.

Was he not worried at all that someone in the house might have a gun for self defense?
Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight, etc.

The knife is such a strange element of choice - very personal and also very risky in so many ways.

Thoughts? JMO

The murderer(s) knew the students well enough to know there was not a gun threat? Or the murderer(s) could have also had a gun? JMO

Why wasn't the murderer(s) worried that two, four, or six people might be up or wake up and attack, call 911, or run out screaming? JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

someone pls clarify, I am wondering if the court date set for late June is the actual trial or just the prelim hearing where he makes his plea (guilty /not G) and the judge decides whether a trial is required then. He preferred to wait months rather than do this in 14 days , what could that mean.

IMO They need the time to go through all the evidence, conduct their own testing after examining the evidence, and those thousands of tips would take a long time to read through and investigate. JMO

 

[jepop]

I think the FBI took the interview with his old classmate because they suspect it was part of his motive. Why he was so mad and targeted women he didnt know.

I wouldnt be surprised if we find online writings or journals he spouting some kind of entitlement and anger when things are not just given to him.

Thats just my guess and opinion.

The FBI might be building up/adding to a data base IMO, re common factors/histories/experiences and so forth in Murderers' backgrounds. I am speculating that Behavioural Science could be interested in that sort of research. MOO and speculation. But IMO there is no way that recollections of a grade sixer about another grade sixer would ever be used in evidence of motive as the prosecution builds its case. My opinion comes from considering the improbability of the prosecution being able to make any reasonable direct causal link between the 11 year old''s alleged experience (by another 11 year old no less) and the 27 year old's alleged actions.

 

[AlisRedHat]

So a private citizen can call an MDs practice (even if it's a psychiatrist) to verify if someone else happens to be a patient of that practice?

IMO yes if the person identifies the patient by name. The covered entity isn't required to inquire if the person is a family member, relative, etc. However, the practice is not required to divulge that information and they should have a policy in place that covers this scenario.

 

[Diogenetic]

To add to the issue of whether he could expect to encounter a firearm, and also to victims expect of being a homicide rate
In all major estimates of gun ownership rates Idaho is second to fourth ranked out of all 50 states and DC:

Gun map: Ownership by state

Which state has the highest proportion of gun owners? Here's what we know.

www.cbsnews.com

Gun Ownership by State 2023

Those self nomination method using direct questions on high confidentially issues/socially acceptable answers are known, and demonstrated in peer reviewed literature, to produce significant undercounts:

The Size of the LGBT Population and the Magnitude of Anti-Gay Sentiment are Substantially Underestimated

Founded in 1920, the NBER is a private, non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to conducting economic research and to disseminating research findings among academics, public policy makers, and business professionals.

www.nber.org

Idaho also has a low murder rate. 2019 lowest murderer rate per capita , and in in entire US, 2020, third lowest:

List of U.S. states by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So on expectation of a firearm, since rooms he had gone into contained two people each, he could statistically expect to face six more persons, and those being increasingly roused from noise. In other words, choosing a knife was a vey good choice, but his risk was increasing as potential victims went from asleep to partially roused to what he could expect fully roused and high likelihood of one being armed.

He was using a knife type designed specifically not to harm the wielder. When I was trained to use one in basic, in an entire day of training, no one in our class of 50 so even scratched their hand despite scores of full force blows on fairly hard surfaces. But given he could expect resistance from potential victims likely would have increased as state of rousal increased, and number (for all he know) of people roused could increased chance of him leaving evidence would have gone from very low to high.

 

[maskedwoman]

I have to say that the big HIPPA discussion is cracking me up. I can't wait to see how long a discussion goes on when the judge makes a ruling on something that seriously impacts his case.

So, as watched his hearing yesterday, I suddenly realized that he never says "Your Honor" or "ma'am" to the female judge. Only yes, no, I understand. I also noticed what others have said about his attorney not even looking at him. I was interested that she didn't suggest he be more respectful to the judge, but maybe I'm making too much of that. It must be just killing him to have a female judge and a female attorney. I hope it is keeping him up nights, internally seething that he is being both defended and judged (at least currently) by women. I really do.

 

[SRWCF]

Does anyone else feel like the media is really reaching when it comes to painting a picture of BK's "behavior" towards women? As a 12 year old he says to a girl, " Oh, you're so pretty" and other "weird" comments. Seriously??? Since when is complimenting someone weird or creepy?!

I feel like the media, and SM in particular, is desperate to portray BK as some sort of woman hating dude. I'm just not buying it! Why can't he just be a deranged lunatic who wanted to kill?

We will never get to the bottom of why he resulted to this crime, so why even bother trying to figure it out?

 

[Diogenetic]

Agree. Most killers who have hand cuts from the blade are grabbing random kitchen knives that don't have a hilt and given the force, their hand will slip up and onto the blade.

IMO, the only other chance for DNA other than on the knife sheath would be from either his sweat or on the victims fingers from potentially touching him.

They almost have enough evidence to convict... they have a homerun now. They'd have a grand slam if they found any of the victim's DNA in any of the discarded car cleaning stuff from Pennsylvania.

Exactly. Most edged weopon stabbings are with folding knives, kitchen knives.

So the forensics experts statistical base for likelihood of injury to wielder contains
a) knives extremely likely to cut wielders' hands, and
b) knives profoundly unlikely to do so

Thus making generalizations as seen in many podcasts was total nonsense. I saw on NYPD forensics expert on one of the major news outlets say it was a "certainty" and "I guarantee he cut his hand."

Having trained with that knife, I knew that commenter had never trained with that knife

 

[Cryptic]

He'll be able to continue with his regular meds and be able to get whatever medical care that he needs (lab work, medical care, etc). At least I believe that is a standard throughout the US. MOO

I think you are right.

But.... I have a sneaking suspicion that prison health care is alot like prison food.

In the end, the required medical care must be provided in the general sense. It does not need to supported by comprehensive extras, be given timely, administered by people fully trained in that sub category, quickly modified to changing circumstances, and.... the resources expended towards one inmate must be proportional to those given others.

In short, my guess is that prison health care is very similar to prison food: palatable, but barely so.

 

[SRWCF]

IMO yes if the person identifies the patient by name. The covered entity isn't required to inquire if the person is a family member, relative, etc. However, the practice is not required to divulge that information and they should have a policy in place that covers this scenario.

This is not correct. Try calling any doctor's office and ask if so-and-so is a patient there. Let us know what they say. A patient's name is protected health information under HIPAA and that information cannot be divulged without prior authorization from the patient.

And I think I'm now officially exhausted from explaining this here on WS. Signed, a legal assistant in the healthcare industry!

 

[ktm44]

If there is a bruise on BK's neck, I believe LE should explain it. Or maybe it isn't a contradiction for a razor to be so sharp it easily cuts the skin but also dull enough to cause razor burn. BK is a high profile inmate, and it doesn't seem outlandish for people to notice cuts, bruises and such when he showed up in court. (No matter what jail he's in.) Just my opinion.

It has been explained to the media but will live on because people seem to want to believe something different.

 

[SRWCF]

Yes, half if not 90% of the male population has been awkward, weird strange, uncomfortable approaching women in high school. Blurted nonsense, poorly chosen compliments, been scared s5itless of making a phone call etc.

if you don't recall junior high school and high school when it comes to interacting with opposite sex, at best filed with awkwardness, and often filled with deeply embarrassing, humiliating situations with the opposite sex, you are either a rock star or have a bad/selective memory

YES! I am a woman, and I was one of those awkward kids who was boy crazy and would chase them around the playground and try to kiss them.