ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 66

[10ofRods]

It has not been confirmed that InsideLooking was BK, and there's plenty of evidence to suggest he was not behind the account. IMO, "user was in jail" is misleading and stating a possibility as fact.

At the end of the day, we probably won't know for sure if any of these online accounts can be traced back to BK. There might also be an account on WS or elsewhere that is linked to BK that is not currently in public view. Not saying we shouldn't speculate, but it is all speculation at this point where online accounts are concerned (specifically InsideLooking and PR).

True. IF the user was BK, he was in jail when the account was deleted (the conversation is now across many posts).

It has not been confirmed that InsideLooking was BK and perhaps never will be. However, we are allowed to discuss it here as if it were BK, at the moment.

I think some of the online accounts may become relevant at trial. We actually have no clue how many he had.

I thought we'd established several threads ago that Inside Looking and PR were speculative entities, but permitted to speculate about.

 

[Seattle1]

I have a question about social media photos. The photo of the 4 roommates ( with the 2 others cropped) has been used widely on MSM and internet social media sites. The photo belongs to someone and if so doesn't that photo have to be permitted and/or paid for by anyone who wishes to use it for news, documentaries etc.
I get this creepy feeling every time I see that iconic happy group of beautiful college students related to a story dedicated to and about the accused killer. And what if the parents or parent did not want their Childs photo associated with anything to advertise/sell a story about this gruesome mass murder where BK is the main event?

Copyright laws dictate that whoever took the photo owns the photo. Even if you're simply using it on your Instagram, the person who took the photo has the right to sue you if they wish. Therefore, explicit permission is required to avoid any issues.

Per the DM link below with the image described by OP, the source of the subject image was posted on KGs social media/Insta.

Similar to most social media including Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, users give up their right to content/images posted on the forum so there is no copyright violation.

Under FB/Insta's current terms (subject to change at any time) by posting your pictures and videos you grant Insta “a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any [IP] content that you post on or in connection with Insta/ FB (“IP License”).

Surviving Idaho roommate SAW killer moments after quadruple murder

A surviving roommate of the murdered Idaho students saw the suspected killer leave their house moments after the massacre took place, bombshell court filings reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Who Owns the Media on Facebook, Instagram or Twitter? | Law Offices of Craig Delsack

Know your legal rights when posting on Social Media like Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. Who Owns the Photos and Videos You Post?

nyccounsel.com

 

[NLM1234]

Where does it say he followed those accounts? I don't see it in the linked article

"Authorities remain tight-lipped about the alleged motive in the attack. They have not publicly discussed the relationship between Kohberger and the victims. Kohberger's now-deleted Instagram account — which was viewed by PEOPLE before it was removed — followed the accounts of Mogen, Gonclaves and Kernodle, but there was no public interaction."

Accused Idaho Killer Bryan Kohberger Repeatedly Messaged One of the Victims on Instagram: Source

"He was persistent," an investigative source on the case tells PEOPLE

people.com

It's near the end of the article. It is quoted from the article, hence the quotation marks. I added the first sentence of the paragraph so that you could find it more easily.

 

[r3d-ros3]

True. IF the user was BK, he was in jail when the account was deleted (the conversation is now across many posts).

It has not been confirmed that InsideLooking was BK and perhaps never will be. However, we are allowed to discuss it here as if it were BK, at the moment.

I think some of the online accounts may become relevant at trial. We actually have no clue how many he had.

I thought we'd established several threads ago that Inside Looking and PR were speculative entities, but permitted to speculate about.

I say in my post "I'm not saying we shouldn't speculate" and I know the accounts are fair game for discussion here at WS. I just think it's important to qualify the discussion, rather than state as fact that the user associated with InsideLooking was "in jail when it was deleted."

(edit to say that speculation / theories stated as fact on previous threads have been really confusing to me, so I guess I am saying this in the spirit of enabling a fully informed discussion amongst all users and readers here)

 

[wary]

Of course. There's something called power of attorney. And if I am incapacitated and want posts deleted, I will give power of attorney to someone (probably not my attorney, probably a daughter or my husband but obviously it can be given to an actual attorney).

All the attorney needed was BK's user name and password, frankly. Both the attorney and BK surely knew that if in fact that was him, it would be traced back to him (and still can be, because nothing is ever truly deleted from Reddit - except by special software that can only be used by the user while they still have their account; even then, not sure it's 100%).

What we post online should be considered out in the world forever.

Why would it be unethical or illegal to ask some trusted person to delete a reddit account?

I was wondering if it might turn the attorney into an accessory-after-the-fact, hiding or destroying possible evidence.

To push things a bit farther, what if he asked his attorney to find a knife he’d put somewhere, and dispose of it? And he assures his attorney that this knife has nothing to do with the murders, no nothing at all! Safe to say that the attorney wouldn’t do it?

Speculation out of genuine curiosity as to where the line is drawn.

 

[10ofRods]

It has not been confirmed that InsideLooking was BK, and there's plenty of evidence to suggest he was not behind the account. IMO, "user was in jail" is misleading and stating a possibility as fact.

At the end of the day, we probably won't know for sure if any of these online accounts can be traced back to BK. There might also be an account on WS or elsewhere that is linked to BK that is not currently in public view. Not saying we shouldn't speculate, but it is all speculation at this point where online accounts are concerned (specifically InsideLooking and PR).

True. IF the user was BK, he was in jail when the account was deleted (the conversation is now across many posts).

It has not been confirmed that InsideLooking was BK and perhaps never will be. However, we are allowed to discuss it here as if it were BK, at the moment.

I think some of the online accounts may become relevant at trial. We actually have no clue how many he had.

I thought we'd established several threads ago that Inside Looking and PR were speculative entities, but permitted to speculate about.

Oh, and the way we know that InsideLooking is NOT MassGuy is that MassGuy is way more intelligent, funny, awesome, cool and mannerly.

 

[esayer]

Yes - but user was in jail.

But, one of the first things a defense attorney might help do is erase a damning digital trail that could reach potential jury members.

My best bet is the attorney did it (but maybe mom or dad, we don't know). Probably not Reddit itself.

'Yes - but user was in jail.'

That is why InsideLooking isn't BK, because whoever it is deleted the account after BK was arrested. I was actually on Reddit and saw it happen IMO. They also got A LOT wrong, including the time of the murders.

 

[CGray123]

However, I would think that his ‘right’ to a fair trial greatly overshadows the families’ right to a convenient trial. And I feel certain that one of the last things that family members would want would be to have his conviction overturned on appeal.

From what I have seen watching cases like this, judges tend to defer ruling on the venue motion until they have a chance to go through voir dire and seat a jury. But if the community is so small that the judge believes he can't order up a jury pool that is large enough to get 15 fair jurors (12 plus three alternates), he'll probably change venue to Boise. I think Moscow is big enough, based on proceedings I have observed.

 

[10ofRods]

I was wondering if it might turn the attorney into an accessory-after-the-fact, hiding or destroying possible evidence.

To push things a bit farther, what if he asked his attorney to find a knife he’d put somewhere, and dispose of it? And he assures his attorney that this knife has nothing to do with the murders, no nothing at all! Safe to say that the attorney wouldn’t do it?

Speculation out of genuine curiosity as to where the line is drawn.

But the evidence is not destroyed, it's merely hidden. The way to still see the posts is all over the internet, but the current status of the account makes it unlikely any unscrupulous reporter will use it.

Of course, Youtubers might use it, although it's dull as online shopping adverts.

 

[Deleted member 718]

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271252642.html

Jan 17, 2023

Bryan Kohberger told a fellow Washington State University graduate student living in the same on-campus housing complex that he submitted his DNA for consumer genetic testing to explore his ancestry, the neighbor told the Idaho Statesman. Kohberger, 28, was a Ph.D. student in WSU’s criminal justice and criminology department.

He now stands charged with four counts of first-degree murder and felony burglary in the killing of four University of Idaho students on Nov. 13.

Kohberger’s neighbor said the two became acquainted while crossing paths on the residential property a handful of times after they each moved there in August. The WSU Ph.D. student lives across from the apartment where Kohberger resided until recently, and he said the two traded cellphone numbers.

[..]

That August evening, the two grad students ran into each other in the large housing complex’s parking lot next to their buildings, the man said during an interview at his apartment. Kohberger then asked him if he wanted to walk and talk, he said, and the two got to know each other a little while taking laps around the asphalt parking area.

During their discussion, Kohberger asked his neighbor, who is not from the U.S., whether he could identify Kohberger’s ancestral background, the man said. The neighbor said he guessed Italy before Kohberger stated that he was of German descent.

“He talked about his ancestors,” the 30-year-old neighbor said. “He had some sort of DNA test. I don’t know how he got to that point. … It was just interesting to him.”

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271252642.html#storylink=cpy

That's a great article full of details. I found one more item of interest about BK's phone #. For some reason I thought he still had a PA area code:

"The neighbor also said he provided police with a screenshot of his and Kohberger’s brief text thread, which included just two messages, starting off with the man confirming his number to Kohberger after their Aug. 26 walk. The screenshot, reviewed by the Statesman, included a phone number with an eastern Washington area code, with the last four digits 8458. In the affidavit, police previously identified Kohberger’s cellphone number having the same last four digits. “Hey (neighbor)! How is your semester so far?” a text dated Sept. 21 that appeared to be from Kohberger read. The neighbor said he was too busy to reply at the time, and then later forgot. The two didn’t text again, he said."

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271252642.html#storylink=cpy

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[CLGM]

Why do I feel like BKs defense team is starting to plant some stories?

Just surmising here —>They are investigating every single angle that they can to see where they can create doubt. So their investigators go to cab companies and ask if drivers know the area and what their impression is. One driver says something about drugs, not even knowing if that’s true maybe just his impression of having been there once or twice. Next thing you know some random quote shows up connecting the area to drugs. Maybe, the murders were related to drugs! <— just my own surmising (I don’t believe it’s a drug deal gone wrong)

 

[10ofRods]

'Yes - but user was in jail.'

That is why InsideLooking isn't BK, because whoever it is deleted the account after BK was arrested. I was actually on Reddit and saw it happen IMO. They also got A LOT wrong, including the time of the murders.

Timeline wasn't too far off, IMO. It's entirely possible someone just had a theory (but it was a pretty good one).

I have posed a couple of ways that accounts can be deleted after death or arrest. The simplest way is to leave your password and account names with someone you trust, along with other instructions. But BK did have a lawyer and that lawyer did have a phone. BK also has two sisters and parents. All he would have had to do is give the lawyer the password to give to family.

Easy peasy and doesn't even involve the lawyer.

 

[Nila Aella]

'Yes - but user was in jail.'

That is why InsideLooking isn't BK, because whoever it is deleted the account after BK was arrested. I was actually on Reddit and saw it happen IMO. They also got A LOT wrong, including the time of the murders.

What time did InsideLooking say the murders occurred? MOO

 

[CSIDreamer]

What does Tapatalk's privacy policy say about LE requesting info? Maybe they took it down. JMO

 

[Speculaytor]

Who leaves evidence as a "calling card", unless they want to get caught? Sounds like Daily Mail BS to me!
This isn't an Agatha Christie novel!

The only DNA on the entire sheath was that small amount on the snap. Some, and I can see why, point to this as possible evidence that he intended to leave it, maybe set up the Frat boys or ROTC, and as suggested here as a calling card.

 

[10ofRods]

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271252642.html

Jan 17, 2023

Bryan Kohberger told a fellow Washington State University graduate student living in the same on-campus housing complex that he submitted his DNA for consumer genetic testing to explore his ancestry, the neighbor told the Idaho Statesman. Kohberger, 28, was a Ph.D. student in WSU’s criminal justice and criminology department.

He now stands charged with four counts of first-degree murder and felony burglary in the killing of four University of Idaho students on Nov. 13.

Kohberger’s neighbor said the two became acquainted while crossing paths on the residential property a handful of times after they each moved there in August. The WSU Ph.D. student lives across from the apartment where Kohberger resided until recently, and he said the two traded cellphone numbers.

[..]

That August evening, the two grad students ran into each other in the large housing complex’s parking lot next to their buildings, the man said during an interview at his apartment. Kohberger then asked him if he wanted to walk and talk, he said, and the two got to know each other a little while taking laps around the asphalt parking area.

During their discussion, Kohberger asked his neighbor, who is not from the U.S., whether he could identify Kohberger’s ancestral background, the man said. The neighbor said he guessed Italy before Kohberger stated that he was of German descent.

“He talked about his ancestors,” the 30-year-old neighbor said. “He had some sort of DNA test. I don’t know how he got to that point. … It was just interesting to him.”

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article271252642.html#storylink=cpy

Would be crazy, but not impossible, for Bryan then to have submitted his own DNA to GEDMatch.

What a twist that would be. Nothing can surprise me in this case. What if Bryan was thinking about his own genes and their relationship to his hidden life?

I keep thinking about the killers from In Cold Blood. If people haven't read it, it's the best intro to true crime and actual facts/legal processes (as they were in 1959) that one can find. It puts the later literature into so much perspective, along with our current forensic techniques. No forensic DNA for almost another 30 years. For people born in the 90's or later, they will not remember a world without forensic DNA.

<modsnip: Information stated as fact with no link to support>

 

[Curious Me]

Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger repeatedly messaged victim weeks before murders: report

An Instagram account that belonged to Bryan Kohberger repeatedly sent Instagram messages to one of the college students found dead — but she never returned his advances.

nypost.com

An Instagram account that belonged to Kohberger repeatedly sent Instagram messages to one of the college students found dead — but she never returned his advances, an investigator close to the case told PEOPLE.

“He slid into one of the girls’ DMs several times but she didn’t respond,” the anonymous source said. “Basically, it was just him saying, ‘Hey, how are you?’ But he did it again and again.”

The message were reportedly sent in October.

[...]
​

Authorities aren’t completely sure why the victim didn’t respond to Kohberger’s repeated messages but said it could be simply because she hadn’t noticed them.

“She may not have seen them, because they went into message requests,” the source said, implying that the victim didn’t follow Kohberger back on Instagram. “We’re still trying to determine how aware the victims were of his existence.”

BBM​

 

[10ofRods]

"Authorities remain tight-lipped about the alleged motive in the attack. They have not publicly discussed the relationship between Kohberger and the victims. Kohberger's now-deleted Instagram account — which was viewed by PEOPLE before it was removed — followed the accounts of Mogen, Gonclaves and Kernodle, but there was no public interaction."

Accused Idaho Killer Bryan Kohberger Repeatedly Messaged One of the Victims on Instagram: Source

"He was persistent," an investigative source on the case tells PEOPLE

people.com

I can't find that quote in that article. Do you have the article where the quote came from?

 

[Palinsmom]

My opinion, speculation and/or question:

As we know from the document/ timeline BK was driving around. I don’t know what he was thinking or why, but maybe he was driving around to make sure any of the LE that were out and about giving tickets to under aged kids who were drinking had cleared out of the area? I watched the body cam footage in its entirety and it lasted about 30 mins for the cops to give the 3 boys tickets. There was actually a fourth student but he was allowed to leave after they verified who he was and that he was NOT under aged. Those cops could have hung around awhile to see if anymore students were walking around.

Just a speculation of possibilities.

 

[wary]

My opinion, speculation and/or question:

As we know from the document/ timeline BK was driving around. I don’t know what he was thinking or why, but maybe he was driving around to make sure any of the LE that were out and about giving tickets to under aged kids who were drinking had cleared out of the area? I watched the body cam footage in its entirety and it lasted about 30 mins for the cops to give the 3 boys tickets. There was actually a fourth student but he was allowed to leave after they verified who he was and that he was NOT under aged. Those cops could have hung around awhile to see if anymore students were walking around.

Just a speculation of possibilities.

Do you remember about what time the bodycam ended?